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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/06 23:19:47
Subject: Forbidden Poisons and Magic Weapons
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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
Lake Forest, California, South Orange County
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Do the Khainite Assassin poisons(as well as the Poisoned Attacks) rules stack with Magic Weapon rules?
i.e. a Sword of Striking would be +1 both to hit and to wound, as well as being a regular Poisoned Attack?
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"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/06 23:51:37
Subject: Forbidden Poisons and Magic Weapons
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I don't have the book, but models have special rules and weapons/items can have special rules. The special rules of items combine and become the total special rules of the model. The only exception is if the item specifically says it applies to certain attacks or on split profile.
Bloodletters have magic attacks as part of being daemons. Their sword is KB. They have magic KB attacks. Plaguebearers have magic attacks, their swords are poison, they have magic poison attacks.
Now, if one of the items is destroyed, you can also lose the special rules that are attached to that item.
If you have an amulet that gives you Flaming Attacks and a Magic Axe that is +1S, you have flaming magic attacks at +1S.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/06 23:58:42
Subject: Forbidden Poisons and Magic Weapons
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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
Lake Forest, California, South Orange County
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DukeRustfield wrote:I don't have the book, but models have special rules and weapons/items can have special rules. The special rules of items combine and become the total special rules of the model. The only exception is if the item specifically says it applies to certain attacks or on split profile.
Bloodletters have magic attacks as part of being daemons. Their sword is KB. They have magic KB attacks. Plaguebearers have magic attacks, their swords are poison, they have magic poison attacks.
Now, if one of the items is destroyed, you can also lose the special rules that are attached to that item.
If you have an amulet that gives you Flaming Attacks and a Magic Axe that is +1S, you have flaming magic attacks at +1S.
The wording is is : A model with Manbane receives a +1 bonus on all rolls to wound, 1's still fail.
To me that suggests that it's the model that has the rule, not a weapon, therefore would stack.
Is that correct?
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"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/07 00:36:58
Subject: Forbidden Poisons and Magic Weapons
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Killer Klaivex
Oceanside, CA
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The Poison special rule says that it doesn't work with attacks from magic weapons.
That said, "Forbidden Poison" isn't the "Poison" special rule.
Not only that, but it doesn't say that "Forbidden Poison" replaces poison.
So it looks you could get the +1 to wound on a magic weapon (manbane) or auto-wound on a 6 to hit, and +1 to wound with mundane attacks.
Manbane is pretty solid; +1 to wound and re-rolling 1's (murderous intent) is solid.
-Matt
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/07 01:04:11
Subject: Forbidden Poisons and Magic Weapons
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Well, if a model has poison and he has a magic weapon, you don't get it. But plaguebearers plaguesword clearly gives both. Though you could argue RAW it doesn't. Because it basically says, "attacks made with this magic weapon have a special rule that can't be used with magic weapons."
I remember this came up when the book was released.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/07 01:07:52
Subject: Forbidden Poisons and Magic Weapons
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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
Lake Forest, California, South Orange County
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So I think we have it right, Manbane applies either way, but if run a magic weapon then the Poisoned Attacks rule is negated.
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"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/07 01:31:27
Subject: Forbidden Poisons and Magic Weapons
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Gimlet-Eyed Inquisitorial Acolyte
Just outside the gates of hell
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As others have stated a model with poison attacks gives up its poison for a magic weapon (brb pg73)
but I have never seen the new dark elf book to know how that works.
What is the writing for khainite poison?
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Dissent is not disloyalty.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/07 01:35:34
Subject: Forbidden Poisons and Magic Weapons
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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
Lake Forest, California, South Orange County
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There are 3 of them, and the wording for each specifies that the MODEL has the poison, not a weapon.
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"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/07 03:24:51
Subject: Forbidden Poisons and Magic Weapons
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Gimlet-Eyed Inquisitorial Acolyte
Just outside the gates of hell
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Aerethan wrote:There are 3 of them, and the wording for each specifies that the MODEL has the poison, not a weapon.
Wow my apologies, you typed it and somehow read right past it..
I would be inclined to agree with Matt
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Dissent is not disloyalty.
Everyone is a genius, but if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree it will spend its whole life thinking it is stupid.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/07 09:59:36
Subject: Forbidden Poisons and Magic Weapons
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Bloodthirsty Chaos Knight
Edinburgh, Scotland
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Yeah, unless the actual BRB rule is written, then you get the poison, as only the BRB rule has the clause removing it for magic weapons.
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