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Nephilim wrote:
Slightly off topic but - I was looking at the Colonial Marine Technical manual and saw there are two different covers. Does anyone know what the difference is between them (apart from the cover art !).

 BrookM wrote:
From the look of it, the one with the dropship on the cover is a more current and up to date reprint.

Yes, the one with the dropship is the 2012 reprint cover. (Makes more sense than putting two civilian vehicles on the cover, I guess.) Aside from the new cover, there are no differences between the editions.

Snrub- you left out "one free unit" (from the 100K stretch).

The freebies so far are:

-Facehuggers (number depends on pledge level)
-Free unit
-Free Berserker Pred
-Free model (PredAlien, Hellhound, or 2x Sentry Guns)

That's it . Then you have the amount of credit that your pledge level lists to buy other things with. Just note, there was no freebie associated with the 165K stretch we just hit, they tend to be in between stretches.

 Snrub wrote:
PLUS also one free model of choice. (Since the KS just hit 165k.)

Close. 100k and 155k were free/choice goals. At 100k, we got a free unit of choice from a fairly wide selection and, at 155k, we got a free model (or, with sentry guns, 2 models) of choice from a more limited selection. The 165k goal unlocked the paid resin marker add-on, the four eggs.

Lol, I wonder if someone changed their pledge to specifically unlock the stretch goal since the total is at exactly 165,001.

 warboss wrote:
Lol, I wonder if someone changed their pledge to specifically unlock the stretch goal since the total is at exactly 165,001.

lol, nice.

 Medium of Death wrote:
What's the standard table size for Infinity? Will it not be roughly the same as that?

I think that Necron tile does look promising.

I think this might be good for a corner piece for a larger board. The lack of Imperial icons and general less gothic aesthetic really makes me think of the Aliens colony, or a possibly USMC outpost.

I can't seem to find this on the sites, have you a link where you saw this? mainly so i can see if it could come with gates.

I don't think it's for sale yet, the page I found was like one of their preview pages that slip into obscurity after a while. I can't see it on their main site, found it through google images.

The video at the top of the KS page has changed, right? It has a different preview image now and I think it's different?

Bit surprised there hasn't been an update yet, I half expected to find one when I got home again from work.

Ah, I see, we're not that far past the 165k mark yet, though we are at a nice 1100+ backers now.


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DING!

Update 11 - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/alien-vs-predator-the-miniatures-game/posts/662200

When we get to £185000 Prodos will include an additional £15 of Add-ons for all pledges of 'If it Bleeds We can Kill it!' or higher




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Boo hiss at the next stretch goal. :(

Yeah, that was a little disappointing. I got very excited and then I saw the pledge level required...

Super disappointing stretch goal.

Even if all 279 backers at the 155 level were to switch right now to the 210 level, we still wouldn't make the 185 mark.

This KS has sure seen some goofy ideas.

Leaves me in a bit of a dilemma, as I am actually pledged for just over 210 pounds, but have it split between two 100 pound pledges. Would have been nice if it were based on total pledge value, not pledge level, but I can understand the reasoning.

Might take us a while to get there, but I am looking forward to the next Aliens stretch goal. Why not just make it the Queen and get all the folks chomping at the bit for it in now . I can hope, right?

I can understand rewarding those funding the most. A concurrent goal to add value to lesser pledges (and obviously the higher pledges) would be nice though.

Something like 'Real Aliens and higher get X and If it Bleeds and higher get X+Y' would have been nice.

Yeah, pretty transparent to reward starting right above your sweet spot pledge - BUT - If the goal is met, the base box does go down to 37.50 GBP each at that pledge level.

If It Bleeds is basically another box (75 GBP) plus 20 GBP more in add-ons (after the 185k goal is met) for 55 GBP more, as compared to Real Aliens. So that's an 40 GBP advantage to the pledger (and 25 before the 185k goal).

So do you need two boxed sets?

That's a pretty high pledge level for a reward for such few people...

It's almost as if anything below 200 quid isn't a lot of money to be throwing at them.

Don't start miss-stepping now Prodos.

So just from a rough calculation were looking at £300,000 to get to the queen?

Hopefully not, MoD- myself and others are lobbying in the comments for it to be the next stretch goal (which has an Aliens logo). Would help get the excitement back, I think

 Medium of Death wrote:
That's a pretty high pledge level for a reward for such few people...

Especially if you have to convert it to USD. 210 dollars isn't that much when it's for a game I'm super excited for, but when that 210 becomes 336 thanks to exchange rates, it's more a second or third thought kind of thing :-\

Most people will be staying in the 75 - 155 range, anyway (and yeah, that's pounds, not dollars ). So that will likely be what most stretches will affect, just not this one, which was unfortunately set 20K away.

 Medium of Death wrote:
That's a pretty high pledge level for a reward for such few people...

The goal is obviously to create a new, higher sweet spot mid-project to wring 55 more quid out of people already in for 155. If you decide you want two boxes and the 185k goal is met, it's not a bad deal at all.

Yeah, but that's IF you want 2 boxes, which most folks aren't going to. And it doesn't make sense to split it with a friend, either, since then you don't both get the lower stretch goals.

(I can see the reasoning, of course, I just don't think that it will get many more folks into a 2-box pledge)

Next goal does nothing for me :( I can't spend that much and in fact might even have to drop my pledge down to the 75 pound one. I understand them wanting to reward high backers though. They should have done it like.. get +5 at one level, then +10, +15, +20, and scale it up. Then everyone gets something and everyone is happy.

That would've been a good idea, Necros! Although I do love the nature of the "choose your own adventure" previous stretch goals (or at least, the free unit, free model, and free model if we hit 2K backers ones) as they allow people to emphasize a different faction if they choose

 Necros wrote:
I understand them wanting to reward high backers though.

I think it's less about rewarding people who are already backing at 210 and more about getting people to raise their pledges/create a higher sweet spot for new backers.

 RiTides wrote:
I can see the reasoning, of course, I just can't think it that it will get many more folks into a 2-box pledge

The 40 GBP savings is pretty sweet, however ... I need to know more about the tiles before making this decision and will post as much in the comments.

The harshest part, as I mentioned, is that even if everyone at Real Aliens suddenly changed we still wouldn't have the 185k goal unlocked. This goal and this time for this amount seems like a miscalculation.

I'm hoping those tiles look better at release, and this stretch goal seems like total BS. 20000 for more ad-on pledges? Really? I dread too see how expensive the Queen will be to reach, and at this point I'm doubtful we'll even reach that point with the allotted time left
.

I'm sticking with my £75 pledge myself, as there isn't anything else in there right now I want that I can't already get as an unlocked stretch goal.

MoD's estimate of 300k to get to the Queen seems totally reasonable to me (17.5k on average between goals with six goals left after 185k). Kicktraq has this trending to 454k+ atm but I bet that will look more anemic by tomorrow if Prodos doesn't do some damage control around this latest stretch goal.

Seeing as Prodos hasn't chimed in about this in the comments section yet, I think he's either called it a day or is conferring to see what might be best.

I think this stretch goal was done in an attempt to get people to up their pledge, but £15 of free stuff extra isn't that great an incentive imho.

Check the math, BrookM (see my post above) -- if the 185k goal is met, If It Bleeds backers are getting 95 GBP more stuff for only 55 GBP more pledged.

The only real question is, do you want 2 copies of the base game? For me, that question is impossible to answer without more information about the tiles.

Now, that aside, is it a silly time for this goal and is asking for 20k more to do something like this goofy?

YES and YES

I think they need to get that old video back up, or at least put some music on there. Otherwise people coming into this now will not get any hype, it just makes the whole thing seem boring. Get "Combat Drop" on ffs!




While I understand that Prodos is a small operation there's a massive pool of resources that they can plunder. There are probably license restrictions, but ffs would it have killed them to have 3D renders made before the kickstarter and time a video to show snippets of that stuff along to above said track.

FUUUUUUU!

Prodos has every right to manipulate and tweak the stretch goals as they see fit for their own benefit. As a KS pledger, it's up to you to tell them via your pledge if the goal is really to their benefit at the expense of the customer base. If you're unhappy, drop your pledge down to 1 GBP as there in effect are no "limited" pledges like early birds and you have nothing to lose. You can just increase it after if you feel the mistake has been corrected. Kickstarters are a collaborative process and the people holding the money also hold some power (at least while the funding is ongoing).