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This seems like a fun idea for a thread. If you could change one thing about the game what would it be? Could be a core rule or a unit entry or whatever you want. It doesn't have to be balanced (after all, what fun would that be...) but if you actually want to balance something that works.

Here's mine: it's the enigma foundries from Cyriss. They basically get soul tokens from friendly models and can spend those tokens as a *Action to put your models back on the board. All I want is for them to add "additionally, enemy models never gain soul tokens from friendly models in this unit's control area." I would play Axis tier and troll Cryx so hard...

I'd make more models plastic.

I'd fix tough in some way to make it less streaky. right now, a hot or cold streak of 5+ rolls can literally make or break a game, in a way that few other rolls really can.

My fix would be to make tough a 4+, but not allow knocked down models to make tough checks at all.

 sing your life wrote:
I'd make more models plastic.

I second this.
And that is only about it that I would change.

New hordes faction

I would do the following.

Cinerators: Lose Relentless Advance, gain Defensive Line. Or become 4/7 for a min/max unit.

Paladins: Gain following stance. Flashing Blade: During its Activation, this model may forfeit either its movement or action to immediately make a single normal attack with one of its melee weapons against every enemy model within its melee range and LoS. These attacks are simultaneous.

Deadnight wrote:
New hordes faction

Interesting. Anybody have any ideas what they could add in? I don't know much Iron Kingdoms fluff. Is there something else out there they already have or would they just make something up.

There are a few rumors.

The most probable is that it will be the Zu. from the southern continent. Its where the Totem Hunter is from. So a Zulu type faction, maybe with insect type warbeasts.

People are also wishlisting for the Giants to get a book. Army of Huge bases FTW!

Honestly, we're probably looking at Cephalyx.

Given what I know of their fluff, and the fact they already have a few units, I would doubt they'll get their own book. They seem too reclusive to be anything more than bit players.

Which is why stuff like this keeps popping up?

Interesting. I haven't seen anything like that before.

But I still think they wouldn't make much sense, unless they got a major fleshing out in the fluff department. They just seem like a species content to sit in the shadows and do nothing major.

I would ban about half the users on the PP forum

I also third the post about more plastic. However, I'd make it real GW-like plastic, with sprues for more posable minis.

 dementedwombat wrote:

Deadnight wrote:
New hordes faction

Interesting. Anybody have any ideas what they could add in? I don't know much Iron Kingdoms fluff. Is there something else out there they already have or would they just make something up.

I disagree on cephalyx - if anything, cephalyx are too closely affiliated with crux to warrant their own faction.

Zu is a decent shout. Almost a blank slate to work with. But I don't think its s money shot.

My money is on infernals. Too many one liners throughout the fluff hinting at them. The old d20 RPGs materiel gave a great, if limited run down on their culture, but left it obvious that thru have big plans for Caen. Back this with the hints that Thamar got the gift of magic from them, and the new rpg materials hints (the order of the illumination are getting awfully antsy lately) that humanity's debt for its magic is now due.

Also, infernals offer something important- a reasonable scope for entry into the game. Bunch of infernallists, who already exist, paving the way. It's easier than bringing in a faction from another continent. Where would such invade? On what pretext? Are they on safari? And how can they be in conflict with all the factions in a vast geographic area? Infernals don't have that issue.

Second thing going for infernals is the nature of their magic, and their 'beasts' which are soul constructs. The rpg material lists a whole bunch of their monsters, and they're quite interesting. If you ask me, they're perfect for being fueled by the 'fury' mechanic.

I'm gonna stick my neck out and call it : infernals for the next hordes faction.

An excellent hypothesis. I'd put even money on that.

It actually gives something different for Beasts. Almost as different from normal beasts as Cyriss Vectors are from Warjacks.

Maybe they'll have different aspects.

Give cygnar a non merc multi wound tar pit unit worth playing.

I would really love to see some insect beasts. That would be a cool thing. Of course if Infernals already have a background then they could get some good stuff going on.

Beasts can take damage to get rid of fury? Might be cool. Probably break the game in half...but on paper so does "your jacks get to give focus away when you spend it".

Also that weird spider lady picture is totally someone trying to draw Directrix before they knew what she was supposed to be Joke theory...but the runes are seriously very Convergence looking now I'm actually paying attention to it. It's actually starting to freak me out... the similarity is kinda weird in a "messed up evil twin" kinda way

 Grey Templar wrote:
I would do the following.

Cinerators: Lose Relentless Advance, gain Defensive Line. Or become 4/7 for a min/max unit..

OR ... UA that grants DL

On the topic of the new Hordes faction, the three most likely candidates are the Zu, the Infernals (Convergeance were a niche faction from the lore who were expanded upon, the Infernals may well receive the same treatment) and the return of the Orgoth in some shape or form (bit of a long shot, but not impossible). Then again, they could also surprise us with something out of the left field entirely.

Change backswing back to what it was....

Make Conquest's main gun ROF2

Have models for Lucant and Directrix come out tomorrow. Also the lotus pose Warcaster for Retribution.

Have a merc contract that includes Cephalyx

I would like to have Zerkova changed. Swap out some of her spells for things that are a little more useful, and for Werner Klocke to resculpt the model.

 dementedwombat wrote:
I would really love to see some insect beasts. That would be a cool thing. Of course if Infernals already have a background then they could get some good stuff going on.

Beasts can take damage to get rid of fury? Might be cool. Probably break the game in half...but on paper so does "your jacks get to give focus away when you spend it".

Also that weird spider lady picture is totally someone trying to draw Directrix before they knew what she was supposed to be Joke theory...but the runes are seriously very Convergence looking now I'm actually paying attention to it. It's actually starting to freak me out... the similarity is kinda weird in a "messed up evil twin" kinda way

That's because they ARE Convergence runes. The one on the previous Vault read "The baseness of the flesh is horrifically exaggerated in these unnatural creatures, the eyes of Cyriss must never fall on such depravity." Haven't seen the translation on those runes yet. And given that it was released by PP a week or two ago, I'd say it's not early Directrix concept art.

Wait...is Cryx getting bloody Lucidia as a warcaster... kinda fits, but if so the background really should be green.

For those who don't know Lucidia was the one who figured out the whole "put souls in robots" thing for the Convergence. But she did it by kidnapping an Iron Lich and disassembling it until she found its phylactery, then poking it until she figured out how it worked.

The rest of the priesthood didn't like that too much, so they kicked her out of the temple, and she ran off to Cryxland and came back to smash a temple with some abominations later on.

EDIT: except I think she is already in as Mortenebra. So there goes that theory.

I'd love to see new factions, heavy infantry for factions without, more jack support, better use of jack bonds, etc. but I'd rather fix something that wouldn't be inevitable (or at least possible) through expansions.

I'd change the one bad part of the core rules: command. Right now it rarely comes into play but it is devastating when it does. as a player it is one of the few things you have no influence over.

 ImperialFists2ndCompany wrote:
I would like to have Zerkova changed. Swap out some of her spells for things that are a little more useful, and for Werner Klocke to resculpt the model.

How about a Warjack bond that gives it an Arc Node.

 dementedwombat wrote:
I would play Axis tier and troll Cryx so hard...

/shrug... bad Cryx players rely or expect souls.

 dementedwombat wrote:
Wait...is Cryx getting bloody Lucidia as a warcaster... kinda fits, but if so the background really should be green.

EDIT: except I think she is already in as Mortenebra. So there goes that theory.

No thinking required! She is mortenebra

Also some units that are OP but synergise with the rest of the force [really] badly seems a good idea to me.

 Sanctjud wrote:

 dementedwombat wrote:
I would play Axis tier and troll Cryx so hard...

/shrug... bad Cryx players rely or expect souls.

Eh. The fact that Daeamortus and Harrowers don't work, and deathjack can't gain souls is enough for me.

A universal Arc node for Minions that either pact could utilize. Calaban and Arkadius would see more play.

Remove Force Barrier for Satyxis.

Make the Mt. King Mat 6, ARM 20, more hit boxes.

Make the Archangel Range 12, ARM 19, more hit boxes, and flaming fists animus.

Give trolls better fury management and arc nodes.