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One of the biggest threats to a Monstrous Creature, particularly TMCs is the sheer number of models in horde units, such as Boyz, Gaunts and Guardsmen. Such units can tie up these MCs, and since they only have 3-5 attacks at the most, a horde unit can easily tie them up for a few turns. In such a scenario the MC has two choices, 1: Wipe out the unit which is time-consuming if you have 3-4 attacks and are charged by 20-30 models, or 2: Hope the unit breaks, which is easily avoided by Mob Rule or Fearless from Comissars, etc.

Therefore, how about a change in such attacks, similar to a Monstrous Creatures' Smash ability?

Sweep Attack: The creature scythes through the ranks of its attackers with an almighty sweep of its limbs. The Monstrous Creature may double its Attack characteristic before modifiers are applied. Such attacks are made at half the models' Strength and with an Ap of 5, and may not be used in the same turn as the Smash ability. If there are more attacks than models in the opposing unit, then the number of attacks is limited to one per model. (This would stop you for example, having 7-8 attacks against a unit of 3-4 guys.)

I don't know if it seems a bit overpowered, but IMO, it would certainly help in some scenarios where a load of Grots have charged your Carnifexes, and you can only kill 2-3 at a time. While it's only a brief idea it could be changed, such as affecting every model in base contact, etc.

Thoughts?

So just thinking of MCs (and assuming 1/2 rounding up)

Wraithknight gets 10 S5 AP 5 attacks
Wraithlord gets 6 S4 Attacks
DE MCs and Ctans are also S4 (not sure numbers 7 or so)
Daemon Prince = 10 S3 attacks
Greater Daemons 10ish S3 attacks.
Nids are all S3

My quesiton would be how this would Interact with Iron Arm (i.e. if I go up to S9 and then down to S5 it could get pretty nasty.)

I think a better fix would be a fix to the Fear special rule.

Perhaps

Fear- Works as current excepting the following. Stubborn Units lose stubborn against this model- fearless units count as stubborn but do not suffer from the WS altering effect.

This would make it possible to sweep the unit assuming you could win combat.

Either that or give them a "Stomp attack"- Trade regular attacks and instead score one hit as per hammer of wrath (Base Strength AP-) to each model in base contact with the model.

Breng77 wrote:
Either that or give them a "Stomp attack"- Trade regular attacks and instead score one hit as per hammer of wrath (Base Strength AP-) to each model in base contact with the model.

Tau R'Vahna allready have like of i in the form of fletchette discharger. Mush whine have followed...

This pretty much makes MCs good at everything and bad at nothing. Everything needs a counter.

Hey I much prefer the fear fix, because it is the worst USR in the book.

Fear is the worst USR because more than half of the game's armies are completely immune to it. It's also a bad USR because it's mechanically complicated in a setting which strives for simplicity. Should just name it Terror and NOT change ATSKNF to follow suit.

Nope.
MC's are already dominating the meta, they do NOT need to be improved.

While cinematic and logical, Monstrous creatures are already the best unit type in the game, tied with flyers. Maybe if walkers didn't have so many disadvantages and got the same benefits of Smash and Sweep.

 Mahtamori wrote:
Fear is the worst USR because more than half of the game's armies are completely immune to it. It's also a bad USR because it's mechanically complicated in a setting which strives for simplicity. Should just name it Terror and NOT change ATSKNF to follow suit.

That and because those that are effected:

1.) Still ignore it 72+% of the time by passing LD.
2.) It generally does not matter. "oh no the Tau I just charged went to WS 1 instead of 2." Or Necrons....who are terrible in CC.

Actually the more I think about it (and it is off topic here) I would like Fear to somehow effect overwatch representing the inability to effectively fire at the terrifying unit.

Perhaps

Fear : If a unit with this special rule charges a unit, that unit must take a LD test at LD -2. IF they fail they must re-roll successful rolls to hit during this phase (including overwatch). Fearless units are immune to this effect. Units with ATSKNF take the test at their unmodified LD.

LD -2 makes it so that LD 8 units fail this roll about 60% of the time so you could go -1 if that seemed like too much.

MCs don't need a boost and are fine as they are.

That would be overpowered bloodthirster eternal blade blade of blood 24 s4 ap5 i10 ws10 attacks on the charge average

Huzzah! Riptides now have no weaknesses whatsoever since you cant tie them down!

 curran12 wrote:
This pretty much makes MCs good at everything and bad at nothing. Everything needs a counter.

+1

They're already good at most things and bad at very little.

If anything, give some love to the melee dreads. I know tarpits are suppost to counter them, but they already have a crappy time of it as it is