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So, just like the title says, is the Contemptor Mortis (probably with twin Kheres Assault cannon and a Cyclone Missile Launcher) as broken as much of the other Forge World units? I'm going to be starting up an Imperial Fists army, and I thought that the CM dread looked too badass to pass up.

If I get one, will I have to fight accusations of "TFG" or will most people be ok with it? I should add, I'm not planning on taking any fliers, and the dread will most likely be one of my main AA units.

It's reasonable. It gives a lot of firepower and some good AA (but only at 24" range and interceptor does NOT apply during your opponent's turn, it just lets you shoot ground targets at full BS if you didn't move), but it also costs ~250 points.

Also, most FW units are weak, not broken.

Well, pooh. It just looks so awesome I guess I'll just use that Stalker I just build instead.

....or, I just had the idea while typing, so bear with me...Would using the CM Dreas AS a Stalker be ok with you guys? Seems like everyone wins there, I get the awesome model I want, and enemy gets a slightly taller target to shoot at.

Well, the latest rules in IA: Apoc (2013) would put that loadout at 215pts, and if it hasn't moved in your movement phase it gains skyfire and interceptor for the remaining game turn, which would include your opponents turn.

 Blacksails wrote:
Well, the latest rules in IA: Apoc (2013) would put that loadout at 215pts, and if it hasn't moved in your movement phase it gains skyfire and interceptor for the remaining game turn, which would include your opponents turn.

Note that this is only true if you went first. If you go second, the game turn ends with your turn. Hooray for poorly-written rules! It's not like they ran into this exact problem with Njal.

 Blacksails wrote:
Well, the latest rules in IA: Apoc (2013) would put that loadout at 215pts, and if it hasn't moved in your movement phase it gains skyfire and interceptor for the remaining game turn, which would include your opponents turn.

Those are NOT the latest rules. See IA:Apocalypse for the latest rules

Peregrine - you do indeed get interceptor in your opponents turn, absolutely g'teed you do - as it specifies game turn.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Peregrine - you do indeed get interceptor in your opponents turn, absolutely g'teed you do - as it specifies game turn.

Oops. Missed that change. But, as pointed out above, whether you get it during your opponent's turn depends on whether you go first or second. If you go first "rest of the game turn" includes your opponent's movement phase and you can intercept. If you went second the game turn ends before your opponent's next movement phase and you can't intercept. So I wouldn't count on having interceptor available.

Either way it is better than the hunter in a multitude of ways. It is not OP but it is not weak it is just a good all around unit priced about right that has a great model.

Get one, get two...don't get three because you need to buy IA Appoc (the new one) for the rules.*

*Note if rich get 6 and play IH at 2000 pts so you can have 6 AV13 5++ IWND vehicles.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Those are NOT the latest rules. See IA:Apocalypse for the latest rules

IA: Apocalypse is IA: Apoc (2013) as I pointed out. You literally just said I had the wrong the rules then said they were the same rules. The (2013) is there to help people who may be confused if they try to buy an older copy, of which one is named the same.

 greg0985 wrote:
So, just like the title says, is the Contemptor Mortis (probably with twin Kheres Assault cannon and a Cyclone Missile Launcher) as broken as much of the other Forge World units? I'm going to be starting up an Imperial Fists army, and I thought that the CM dread looked too badass to pass up.

If I get one, will I have to fight accusations of "TFG" or will most people be ok with it? I should add, I'm not planning on taking any fliers, and the dread will most likely be one of my main AA units.

For the "Will people be OK with it" question you need to check with your local meta. It's frequently debated here, but I think both sides of the argument can agree that there is an argument. You need to check with the people you are likely to see across the table. It won't help you if we say it's OK, but you live in a pocket of FW hate.

I'm not expert on the kits themselves, but you might want to look into magnets. Pick up a powerfist arm and set it up so you can swap it out. This way if you have a game against an anti-FW person, you can field it as a normal (or venerable) dread, and still have the cool looking centerpiece for your army.

i dont think they are OP at all as they have their vulnerabilities at the points level (HH IH IWND sounds a bitch though) and are worth getting when they remove full units in one successful turn of firing.

in the future if/when GW stores start selling FW products on their shelves we'll all be using them!

 greg0985 wrote:
So, just like the title says, is the Contemptor Mortis (probably with twin Kheres Assault cannon and a Cyclone Missile Launcher) as broken as much of the other Forge World units? I'm going to be starting up an Imperial Fists army, and I thought that the CM dread looked too badass to pass up.

If I get one, will I have to fight accusations of "TFG" or will most people be ok with it? I should add, I'm not planning on taking any fliers, and the dread will most likely be one of my main AA units.

Your assumption about broken forge world units is kind of of target. There are a couple offenders that are OP for what you pay, but most of the forge world model rules are slightly weaker than if they were in a 40k codex. The Contemptor mortis fits in to the normal catagory. It is a decent AA addition to certain space marine armies, and I have one in my Dark Angels army with two kheres assault cannon.

Your mileage will vary as plenty of people with zero experience just assume forge world means OTT or OP and will refuse to play against any of them. Against people who own more forge world you won't have any problems. I never have arguments with my regular group and use forge world pieces all the time. While the models are nice to look at they haven't dominated in some excessive way on the table top.

Skriker

It's not broken, it's just a powerful unit; but as others have said, it's also expensive. I'd say that makes it a fairly balanced unit. Hell, I'd take one if I played SM.

It is VERY expensive - over 200 points for the double xheres and cyclone launcher, and it is still only ever BS4

There are so very, very few OP FW units. Even the lucius is pretty mediocre now.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It is VERY expensive - over 200 points for the double xheres and cyclone launcher, and it is still only ever BS4

Aren't Contemptor Mortis Dreadnoughts BS5?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It is VERY expensive - over 200 points for the double xheres and cyclone launcher, and it is still only ever BS4

Aren't Contemptor Mortis Dreadnoughts BS5?

It's been nerfed down to BS4 now.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It is VERY expensive - over 200 points for the double xheres and cyclone launcher, and it is still only ever BS4

There are so very, very few OP FW units. Even the lucius is pretty mediocre now.

xv 107 riptide fires up to 4 ap 3 pie plates, that have there damage increased the bulkier the model they hit. Also some how each one of these pie plates can get multiple hits on the same thing, depending on how big it is.

most broken thing I have seen since some possible combinations in 3rd ed

@Orock
It is an experimental unit. That means it should only be experimented with not played as a regular 40K unit.

The FW RIptide is only OP because it is an upgraded Riptide. If it was like a multi-shot AP3 Vindicator no one would care.

Do it!!!

 Orock wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It is VERY expensive - over 200 points for the double xheres and cyclone launcher, and it is still only ever BS4

There are so very, very few OP FW units. Even the lucius is pretty mediocre now.

xv 107 riptide fires up to 4 ap 3 pie plates, that have there damage increased the bulkier the model they hit. Also some how each one of these pie plates can get multiple hits on the same thing, depending on how big it is.

most broken thing I have seen since some possible combinations in 3rd ed

And? It has a 1/3rd chance of NOT firing 4, and still falls over in close combat. Oh, and AP3? not ideal.

Its also the best part of 300, more if you stick on upgrades, and someone having two means you do what you do now - shoot the other stuff. If has no LOS ignoring weapons, so current mitigation techniques work just as well

If you want OP, review the old unnerfed siege drill. Utterly broken in every way, especially considering its points.

The old drills weren't bad when used with the unit they were originally intended for, the vastly overcosted and hilariously undercapable DKoK Engineers, it was only when used with normal IG vets that they were bad

 Kain wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It is VERY expensive - over 200 points for the double xheres and cyclone launcher, and it is still only ever BS4

Aren't Contemptor Mortis Dreadnoughts BS5?

It's been nerfed down to BS4 now.

In what book?

Also, it's a perfectly reasonable unit. There's nothing over or underpowered about it. It's right on the bar.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It is VERY expensive - over 200 points for the double xheres and cyclone launcher, and it is still only ever BS4

Aren't Contemptor Mortis Dreadnoughts BS5?

It's been nerfed down to BS4 now.

In what book?

Also, it's a perfectly reasonable unit. There's nothing over or underpowered about it. It's right on the bar.

The newest Imperial Armour: Apocalypse.

I use 2 in my 1500 army. They are tough as nails, and absolutely demolish infantry and light vehicles. Hell, they have a fairly strong chance of bringing down even AV12 flyers.

The main issue is getting them into the 24" range for the Assault Cannons, but that's not to big an issue on an average sized board. Just make sure you have other firepower/targets for your enemy to shoot at, as well. (Speeders, Vindicators, etc.)

 Vaktathi wrote:
The old drills weren't bad when used with the unit they were originally intended for, the vastly overcosted and hilariously undercapable DKoK Engineers, it was only when used with normal IG vets that they were bad

I enjoyed flinging 2 demo charges after that STR 10 AP 1 large melta blast, tho.