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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/19 14:53:30
Subject: Re:Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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The Emperor certainly didn't regenerate like wolverine after Horus had messed him up.
Perpetuals are a pretty new concept to the universe, so I'd suggest we wait and see how their limitations pan out in the HH series, I think they've already introduced something that's supposed to kill them permanently.
Nids could have eaten every galaxy around the milky way, or they could just be circling it, but I don't think it really matters specifically which galaxies they've eaten.
The Eldar don't use the intergalactic tunnels because the paths were sundered during the War in Heaven, and became infested with warp critters. So says the old Necron codex at least.
Chaos has their game plan just like everyone else, I just think it sounds like the winner. Emperor dies, rocks fall. If Abby can help speed that up so much the better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/19 15:05:18
Subject: Re:Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Fixture of Dakka
Temple Prime
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Animus wrote:The Emperor certainly didn't regenerate like wolverine after Horus had messed him up.
Perpetuals are a pretty new concept to the universe, so I'd suggest we wait and see how their limitations pan out in the HH series, I think they've already introduced something that's supposed to kill them permanently.
Nids could have eaten every galaxy around the milky way, or they could just be circling it, but I don't think it really matters specifically which galaxies they've eaten.
The Eldar don't use the intergalactic tunnels because the paths were sundered during the War in Heaven, and became infested with warp critters. So says the old Necron codex at least.
Chaos has their game plan just like everyone else, I just think it sounds like the winner. Emperor dies, rocks fall. If Abby can help speed that up so much the better.
Firstly, stop using smileys everywhere, it gets very irksome to my eyes in a short frame of time.
In any case, the Emperor's possible rebirth has been an element since the beginning, I think him being a perpetual is just part of the slow slide to bring the idea of his resurrection back onto the table.
And if the Emperor revives, what does Chaos do then? Because the Emperor is certainly not going to be bothered in the slightest by Abaddon. Indeed, in a fight, the Emperor would probably just snap Drach'nyen over his knee and pulp Ezekyel in a single punch.
Not to mention that Abaddon's fleet is smaller than what was marshalled out to fight the Necrons in a single sector in the fall of Orpheus and smaller than Gazghkull's armada at Armageddon.
Abaddon failing is a matter of time as his ships get plinked off, and he's already confirmed to have suffered a serious setback in the naval segment.
Once Abaddon's crusade is forced to withdraw again for want of ships, Chaos returns to the status quo, which it has shown desire to change (Chaos clearly wants everyone to worship it and worship it now, but given that this has not happened we can dismiss any claims of their omnipotence out of hand) which gets increasingly bad as the rest of the Necrons awaken and inflict Orpheus level damage on the Imperium for each major dynasty, the Tau continue to get stronger, and the Tyranids arrive in numbers so thick that they have more hive ships than the Imperium has lasguns.
Chaos is only as strong as it's mortal followers, and it's mortal followers run a broken down second rate imperium that's got maybe 1% of the man power, military might, or industrial capacity.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/19 15:20:42
Subject: Re:Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Kain wrote:
Chaos is only as strong as it's mortal followers, and it's mortal followers run a broken down second rate imperium that's got maybe 1% of the man power, military might, or industrial capacity.
No, you're quite wrong there.
Chaos gods feed on everything, everywhere, that fall into their portfolio.
When an ork nob stares at the back of his warboss and ponders taking him down, Tzeentch feeds, when an imperial citizen glances furtively at a coworker and craves them despite their own spouse waiting at home, Slaanesh draws energy, when two drunk kroot resort to fighting over cards, khorne is replenished.
Chaos draws energy from it's gods and it's gods draw energy from across the dimensions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/19 15:28:47
Subject: Re:Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Kain wrote:
Firstly, stop using smileys everywhere, it gets very irksome to my eyes in a short frame of time.
In any case, the Emperor's possible rebirth has been an element since the beginning, I think him being a perpetual is just part of the slow slide to bring the idea of his resurrection back onto the table.
And if the Emperor revives, what does Chaos do then? Because the Emperor is certainly not going to be bothered in the slightest by Abaddon. Indeed, in a fight, the Emperor would probably just snap Drach'nyen over his knee and pulp Ezekyel in a single punch.
Not to mention that Abaddon's fleet is smaller than what was marshalled out to fight the Necrons in a single sector in the fall of Orpheus and smaller than Gazghkull's armada at Armageddon.
Abaddon failing is a matter of time as his ships get plinked off, and he's already confirmed to have suffered a serious setback in the naval segment.
Once Abaddon's crusade is forced to withdraw again for want of ships, Chaos returns to the status quo, which it has shown desire to change (Chaos clearly wants everyone to worship it and worship it now, but given that this has not happened we can dismiss any claims of their omnipotence out of hand) which gets increasingly bad as the rest of the Necrons awaken and inflict Orpheus level damage on the Imperium for each major dynasty, the Tau continue to get stronger, and the Tyranids arrive in numbers so thick that they have more hive ships than the Imperium has lasguns.
Chaos is only as strong as it's mortal followers, and it's mortal followers run a broken down second rate imperium that's got maybe 1% of the man power, military might, or industrial capacity.
Well maybe I don't like your avatar, but we'll use things as we see fit.
The Emperor's rebirth is possible, though it was originally a crapshoot with the sacrifice of the Sensei Knights at the moment of his death, so it doesn't mean it's supposed to be likely, and this thread is about who is most likely conquer the galaxy in our opinions.
Chaos is stronger than its mortal followers, their purpose is really just to invite Chaos in, which is why Abby plans to bring the Eye of Terror and all the daemon nasties with him on his march to Terra.
Chaos' victory in the milky way relies on the Emperor dying, as far as we know he's doing that all by himself and the Golden Throne is failing. In the Carnac campaign the Eldar forsee the Necron dynasties toppling the Imperium and in doing so Chaos becomes unopposed and the Rhana Dandra begins.
Hell, the rule book even calls Chaos the greatest threat
It's a threat not just to life in the galaxy but the very fabric of the galaxy itself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/19 17:18:44
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
Inside Yvraine
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Kain wrote: You mean like how they made the Emperor stop existing by waving their hands right?
The Emperor was a demi-god with a master plan to destroy Chaos entirely and bring humanity into a golden age utopia. He is now a skeleton enthroned on a chair and barely holds the power necessary to keep humanity alive while it's locked in ever-lasting war, which strengthens and sustains chaos every day. Or how they totally mind control everyone to follow their principles right?
Nearly every single thing the sentient races in the Galaxy do empowers one of the Chaos Gods. Or how they totally destroyed the Necrons and their warp blocking tech right?
Necrons have never come close to threatening Chaos existence, and their Warp blocking tech is imperfect, immobile and has a precedence for being defeated by daemonic overload. Last time there was a documented battle between daemons and necrons, it ended with an entire tomb world being destroyed by a random Daemon Prince and his minions. Or how there is *totally* conclusive evidence about Chaos existing outside the galaxy right?
wat Or how your proof is so conclusive that Chaos is clearly leading in the polls right? wat
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/19 17:24:48
Subject: Re:Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I'm going to have to go Zoats here...definitely Zoats.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/19 17:39:56
Subject: Re:Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Pfffft...
The last zoat shall cry out 'Look! We won!' before the cunning Catachan Brain leaf plays it's trump card and drifts slowly over on the breeze and enslaves it...
BRAINLEAF WINS!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/19 20:19:50
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
Battle Barge Impossible Fortress
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You know it's a badass faction when people who don't even play Tyranids are like "Yeah, dude. They're going to eat everything."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/20 03:11:17
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
In the warp, searching for Marbo
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Well the whole who will conquer thing all revolves around the word "if".
If this happens then they will win.
If the orks unite (odds are so damn small they may as well not exist).
If the Tyranids are not being chased, but just moving on.
If the Emperor is reborn/awakens/any other good plot ending happens.
If the the Tau create a Win Button.
If the necron all wake up?
etc.
Personally, I just see chaos losing in the end if anyone wins. Unless they just enslave enough worlds to keep them going, and continue their own private wars forever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/20 06:14:48
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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Guardsmen Bob wrote:Well the whole who will conquer thing all revolves around the word "if".
If this happens then they will win.
If the orks unite (odds are so damn small they may as well not exist).
If the Tyranids are not being chased, but just moving on.
If the Emperor is reborn/awakens/any other good plot ending happens.
If the the Tau create a Win Button.
If the necron all wake up?
etc.
Personally, I just see chaos losing in the end if anyone wins. Unless they just enslave enough worlds to keep them going, and continue their own private wars forever.
Well the OP did ask "most likely" so it's basically a calculation of strength while all else held equal; the Greenskins has been described to be capable of galactic domination should they unite, but their social structure isn't built upon organization, but rather on tribal hierarchy, nomadic migration, slavery, and raiding, I really can't see them ever control the galaxy in its entirety.
If the emperor is reborn, the Imperium of Men will be undone; the foolish masses, as well as the more or less corrupted Ecclesiarchy, and a majority of the Inquisitors will not be able recognize the Emperor and thus forcing him to rage another Great Crusade that will surely break the current Status Quo.
A number of the Necron Dynasties have been lost during their long slumber as their metallic bodies succumb to rust and corrosion. As they cannot pro-create anymore, I'd say they won't be able to craft an empire any larger than the Acient Eldar Empire.
Tau may succeed.. given that they last for another millennium or so. There's a reason why Chaos cares little for the Tau: their warp registers are such insignificant that the Gods gains little from their souls (if they even have souls... hayoooh!) that the Slaves of Chaos will probably gain little favors from their patrons by killing the Taus.
The Tyranids, on the other hand, will probably be the only force having both the strength and the will to "Devour" the galaxy... but since they are also nomadic as the Greenskins, I guess they also lack the stomach for galactic domination... this really make me rethink my original vote for them: should they succeed in their intention to devour every living been and get to the astronomican and do whatever it is that they want to do, the Necrons will be the sole surviving sentient indigenous to the Milky Way... so my vote should have gone to the Necrons? Oh heke I give up,,,
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/20 06:17:29
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Abhorrent Grotesque Aberration
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It's a tough call that ultimately depends on who wants it more.
I think the Nids will eat everything and move on. Meanwhile the crons will just sit it out and wait. Like they did with the destroyer plague.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/20 13:57:19
Subject: Re:Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
octarius.Lets krump da bugs!
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How would tau conquer when they can't use the warp?That would be like trying to cross America on a scooter really.
Never chaos.If DOW is right and cultists are literally KAY-OS...
Eldarz?Dey just get dere fire guy to die.Dats all dey do.
Spikey Elderz:All dey do is poke people.
Nids:der Just runnin from sly marbo...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/20 21:30:24
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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Guardsmen Bob wrote:Well the whole who will conquer thing all revolves around the word "if".
If this happens then they will win.
If the orks unite (odds are so damn small they may as well not exist).
Its more likely than you think. The Beast almost did it a few thousand years ago (but not much information on him in the current lore besides a few mentions in the timeline). On Armageddon, Ghaz rallys orks and whole ork tribes from all over the galaxy, all wanting to get in on the fight. More arrive every day, drawn to the WAAAGH energy. I dont think Ghazzy rallying enough orks to seriously pose a threat to the galaxy is outside of the realm of possibility, considering how smart he is (for an ork anyway).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 00:11:29
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Lesser Daemon of Chaos
The Eye of Terror
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I am disturbed by the lack of understanding going on here. Chaos is the ONLY force that can truly conquer the galaxy, and here is why. I'll start with Tyranids since they probably pose one of the bigger threats to Chaos, and I say this because of Shadow on the Warp. I don't know the full extent of Tyranid interaction with Chaos, however it seems highly unlikely that they could enter Warp Space without being subjected to it's Law and Rule. And this goes for every race out there, which is why Chaos can never be truly defeated. In fact, I'll argue that it is THE oldest force in the Universe. Older than the C'Tan. Older than the Ancients. Even the Eldar acknowledge this. But here is the best reason why the Tyranids cannot conquer the universe. No swarm species can survive on its own indefinitely. This is why they continue to feed and consume. Unfortunately for the Tyranids, if they ever did "conqueror the universe" they would die out due to their own short-comings and this is true of every swarm species that has ever existed. Their numbers swell, they eat everything, food supplies waste, the swarm cannibalizes itself, the numbers shrink, food supplies return, the cycle restarts itself. Except in the form of complete conquest, with the Tyranids, there will be nothing to regenerate for them to eat. So the Tyranids would ultimately kill themselves. Orks: They are already the most widespread species in the universe, however they will never "conquer" it, simply because they enjoy fighting too much and are too divided for that kind of centralized ownership. If they "conquered" there would be nothing left to fight. They certainly have numbers, but when stacked against the Powers of Chaos, they are dust in the wind. Hell, even Khorne has enslaved Orkz to his dominion. If he can do that, then the Orkz cannot be conquerers. Tau: They could be the inheritors of the universe, but them being so young to not even be able to perceive the omnipotent threat of Chaos will see their civilization burn, just as the Imperium of Man burned during the Horus Heresy before, the Fall of the Eldar before that, and the Age of Strife before that. History repeats itself and it is Tzeentch who has seen to it. +__+ Eldar: Are already dead. They just don't know it yet. D-Eldar: The same, except worse: They have already been conquered by Chaos. Like the Eldar, they just don't know it yet. Necrons: Are also dead and awaking to a time that is no longer theirs. Should they attempt to reconquest, they would only serve the forces of Chaos, lending to their ultimate destruction at the hands of the Ruinous Powers and their Great Game, as was likely their fate before. The Imperium of Man: Is a corpse being picked at by carrion birds. They had conquered the galaxy as much as Chaos let them believe they had. As suggested, when the Warp Storms cut Terra off from it's dominion, those planets hit hardest were tainted and waiting for the return of their favored puppets. As such, it seems evident per items like the Liber Malefact, that the End of the Imperium has been foretold and is an inevitability. The 40k Universe, I believe, is that End taken form. And really, I think that's how it should go. Honestly, I think the story would be infinitely better if Terra were swallowed by the Crimson Path. It would make other human factions like the Space Wolves far more interesting, seeing as how their planet may survive and they are isolated and left to their own devices. In a way, this level of oppression could really ratchet up the "good guy" angle of Man in a big way, but then we're talking about 50k at that point. So here is where I ultimately stand on this: Chaos is the only force that can win. It is the only force that is unaccessible, except to forces of Chaos, and those that do gain (temporary) access, are torn apart by the very nature of the Warp. It is timeless, yet eternal. It has always existed, and yet never has. The Chaos Gods have always been here, and their realm is the only one that seems truly separate, giving them a true Divinity. I feel a little like a broken record because I've posted similar discussions on a number of posts already, however it still stands. When we're talking about "Gods" in the Universe, all other Gods affect Real Space directly EXCEPT the Chaos Gods. Ex: The Nightbringer can exist in Real Space (albeit temporarily it seems). Nurgle cannot, in any form. This is why he has Lesser Daemons that do his bidding, because Nurgle IS the Warp as much as any of the other Ruinous Powers. For Nurgle to manifest in Real Space, he would have to bring his entire dominion with him for what is the Manse or the Garden is also Nurgle. And this brings up an important point about Conquest: The Chaos Powers really are out for Conquest in that if they breach Real Space, then the Warp will flow with it, Real Space will become Warp Space, and the Ruinous Powers will truly be free. This is their ultimate goal, as played out in the Warp through their Great Game. If ya'll haven't read the Daemons Codex yet, do it. It is a phenomenal read. And about forces like the Necrons, Tau and Tyranid cutting off the Life Essence of Chaos, even when the Warp is Calm, they still Exist, and these fonts from which the Ruinous Powers draw strength are omnipresent in races outside of just man or Eldar. Ex: The Warrior Tribes of Davin, mutant and all, fed Chaos. So unless we're talking about a true level of conquest, to the level of which Warpsmiths conspire to turn reality into a living daemon engine, it is impossible to rob the Ruinous Powers of strength. Even attempting to massacre Mankind would only fuel them further. Even the complete genocide of feeling, Warp Ready sentience, would still feed the Ruinous Powers, namely Nurgle who seeks to rid the galaxy of all life as it is, in place of Pox and Plague. Chaos is the only race that not only has the means and plans to conquer the universe, but also the realistic power to do so. Comparing Chaos to Tyranids, as it was suggested that the Tyranid threat already emerges from another conquered Galaxy/Universe/w/e, then it must be said that so does Chaos and that their domain, while a mirror reflection of reality, must then be far more vast than that of Real Space Tyranid Domain. Simply put, the fact that the Scale of Chaos cannot realistically be understood, is what certainty there is that Chaos WILL win this war. I've got points scattered all over the place that better illustrate what I've written here, if anyone is interested.  Just hit me up and I'll light the way. +__+ Edit: Because I started this a while ago, and more info has been posted since I started, in regards to Chaos, you are assuming the definition of Chaos Conquest is "enslavement and war." It's not. Chaos is Chaos. It exists for itself and no other reason. It doesn't need sustenance to keep going, just ritual enacted again and again. If Chaos needed real sustanence, then the Great Game in the Warp would have ended a long time ago when they exhausted their resources. Since there are no real resources (except Souls and the emotions, dreams, and desires of Mortals) for Chaos to expend, it is inherently Eternal. Unless you could literally blast the very fabric of the Warp from Existence, which would in turn kill every living thing in Real Space, as well as probably completely unravel the universe itself, you cannot defeat Chaos. This is why the Imperium is destined to fall, with or without the Emperor. Unless all of the Imperium killed itself, Chaos would still exist and even then, the whole of the Imperium commiting suicide would just make Nurgle even happier. We're also looking at Chaos and tying it directly to Man, which its not. It bleeds across races and species of all kinds. Let's put it this way too: Which races have already fallen to Chaos? Man (obviously) Ork (Daemonkilla'z Waaagh fights on the Osseus Peak in Khorne's domain for all eternity) Eldar (Slaanesh ate the Eldar for breakfast and then there is the D-Eldar who are twisted by the Warp) Tyranid (Skulls for the Skull Throne) Tau (For their neglect of the Blood Tithe, their numbers have felt Chaos) So that just leaves the Necron? I'm sure I'm missing some groups, but hopefully that helps illuminate better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 03:27:26
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Deadly Dark Eldar Warrior
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I think the decedents of the old ones would be able to. (Orks and eldar). If the tyranids ran into a ork world I think they could unit the Orks and have enough to push back the nids. (another theory I had with someone at my flgs was if the tyranids went into the eye of terror). The eldar would eventually get the s### together and kill the necrons like they were supposed to. The aftermath would essentially leave both sides practically dead. Slaneesh wants to capitalize on this and attacks the eldar. Killing enough eldar that go into the infinity circuit creating the god of rebirth which kills Slaneesh and rebirths the eldar race. The Orks after pushing back the tyranids continue there waagh (eldar guidance) towards terra. They crash trough and kill the emperor. The emperor turns into the god he was supposed to and kills the evil tzeech, nurgle, and khorne. The living primarchs return because of the death of chaos (minus khan he is still in webway). The disagreements between the chapters lead to a fraction on what to do with the chaos and the Orks. The Orks continue to kill while the successor chapters fight as the primarch decide. Eventually leman Russ and the lion start murdering the old chaos marine and slaves. The "good" primarchs attack them denouncing them as traitors. The infighting in the humans and Orks severely weakens the humans. The dark eldar begin to emerge from the webway with Slaneesh gone. Khan emerges from the webway finally and joins along with leman Russ and kill off the remainder of the old chaos and the ultramarine allies. The tau realize what is going on and try's to capitalize on this and attack the big hive cities. The imperial guard are helpless and die without the marines help. The non primarch legions are barely alive now because of the massive Ork invasion still grinding. The eldar are still chilling cunningly turning people in the right direction. Another tyranid attacks and the Orks turn toward them again. The eldar get the dark eldar with them and smash the tau and kill everything. The outer human planets fall before anyone even knows what's happening due to the inability to warp travel (no emperor) and the blistering speed of the dark eldar. The eldar swoop in and finish off the rest of the imperial guard and marines. The eldar keep the "known galaxy" as they trick the Orks to go to the out fringes and defend against tyranids. (dark eldar go back to the webway).
It's a lot of what ifs but it's all decently possible.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 09:46:11
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Tough Tyrant Guard
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TheRedWingArmada wrote:I am disturbed by the lack of understanding going on here.
Chaos is the ONLY force that can truly conquer the galaxy, and here is why.
I'll start with Tyranids since they probably pose one of the bigger threats to Chaos, and I say this because of Shadow on the Warp. I don't know the full extent of Tyranid interaction with Chaos, however it seems highly unlikely that they could enter Warp Space without being subjected to it's Law and Rule. And this goes for every race out there, which is why Chaos can never be truly defeated. In fact, I'll argue that it is THE oldest force in the Universe. Older than the C'Tan. Older than the Ancients. Even the Eldar acknowledge this.
But here is the best reason why the Tyranids cannot conquer the universe. No swarm species can survive on its own indefinitely. This is why they continue to feed and consume. Unfortunately for the Tyranids, if they ever did "conqueror the universe" they would die out due to their own short-comings and this is true of every swarm species that has ever existed. Their numbers swell, they eat everything, food supplies waste, the swarm cannibalizes itself, the numbers shrink, food supplies return, the cycle restarts itself. Except in the form of complete conquest, with the Tyranids, there will be nothing to regenerate for them to eat. So the Tyranids would ultimately kill themselves.
First point is still out for the jury. I don't believe there's any evidence to suggest Tyranids are effected or 'immune' to Chaos?
If there is nothing left for the Tyranids to eat, there is also nothing left to feed Chaos and support its existance, Chaos would starve along with the nids no?
Personally I wouldn't mind Chaos Nids
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It's my codex and I'll cry If I want to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 11:20:28
Subject: Re:Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Ferocious Blood Claw
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I'm going with nids simply because all the do is consume worlds. There is no political BS to get in there way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 13:50:57
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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I figured it out. None of the options in the poll is correct. As far as we know, the Tyranids might be running from an even bigger predator. That is why they are in our galaxy. What nobody has realised, is they are running from something. The Tyranids are only stopping for lunch until they move on. They'll harvest a few million planets and leave. What comes next is even scarier. The things chasing them are what will take over the galaxy. They have already taken over some of our neighboring galaxies. They are
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 13:57:34
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Dark Eldar have already conquered the galaxy. They are just giving other species rental rights.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/25 14:58:08
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Squishy Squig
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I feel 'umies will die off the first simply because they hate all factions and they fight with them the most(especially orks).
I feel orks aren't here for conquering even in their creation they were meant simply for fighting.
Since I am still a newbie in 40k I don't really know the rest of the armies well but I think chaos is sure to conquer for there is no end and the chaos gods will just make more daemons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/30 23:05:58
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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One Canoptek Scarab in a Swarm
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I would have to say necrons. While they are not as strong as they used to be, still have more than enough numbers to reconquer the galaxy and they are immune to the effects of both tyranids and chaos. They have the technology aswell to go along with the numbers and can simply rebuild bodies and create more necrons if they need to. But i think their true strength is that they can simply wait another 60 million years if they have to and wait for the future to plan out.
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Necrons: Triarch remnant - 10,000 points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/31 07:18:29
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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TheRedWingArmada wrote:
But here is the best reason why the Tyranids cannot conquer the universe. No swarm species can survive on its own indefinitely. This is why they continue to feed and consume. Unfortunately for the Tyranids, if they ever did "conqueror the universe" they would die out due to their own short-comings and this is true of every swarm species that has ever existed. Their numbers swell, they eat everything, food supplies waste, the swarm cannibalizes itself, the numbers shrink, food supplies return, the cycle restarts itself. Except in the form of complete conquest, with the Tyranids, there will be nothing to regenerate for them to eat. So the Tyranids would ultimately kill themselves.
I don't find this argument very convincing, because it would seem to apply equally to all the factions, and, moreover, to the very nature of physical reality.
Like, the universe only has a finite amount of energy in it, right? And that energy is just being mixed about and recombined and reappropriated, but is always waning, and will eventually be exhausted. So if you want to get technical, nobody is ever going to conquer the universe, because everybody is gonna die and everything is going to end. Emptiness will rule. Chaos / "magic" throws a bit of a wrench into the works of this particular fictional universe, but not an insurmountable one, since it seemingly depends 1:1 on the material world for its own influence.
The scale/timeline necessary for the Tyranids to reach max capacity and actually manage to eat everything would be insanely lengthy, as would the subsequent phase of cannibalism. If they got to that point they would have effectively conquered the universe, regardless of whether or not they eventually undo that achievement. We're not trying to determine the perpetual master of the universe here, because it's impossible for any faction to ever be that.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
As to it's threat, chaos is intended to be the biggest of the big bads, the design team intentionally shifted the threat priority down on both the necrons and the tyranids recently to bring chaos back from limping about in 3rd place in the trinity as it had been for most of 4th into 5th ed, the Tyranids found themselves now subject to weakness and death if their newly awakened hypermetabolism isn't satiated swiftly, also becoming very bad at protracted campaigns against dug in resistance, suffering burn out. The revised Necrons were 'humanized' with personalities (instantly less spooky) and split into numerous warring factions, whilst the star gods were reduced to pokemon ball-housed pets to be released during war or at parties when everyone's drunk too much WD40 and decided it's time to laugh at the deceiver's silly hat again...
This is important, though. I'd be really surprised if the new nid book didn't draw them back even further, probably by emphasizing the infighting/competition that can happen between different Hive Fleets or tendrils. Maybe competing "personas" within the Hive Mind. The thing that makes the Tyranids the only real contender for this crown is their absolute independence and horrifying unity, and eroding that would bring them into the less scary category that the Orks, Orcs and Skaven currently occupy elsewhere in Warhammer lore; massive numbers, violent might, but an inability to put the whole thing together across the span of time necessary to do so.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/31 07:37:25
Subject: Re:Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
Adelaide, South Australia
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Thing is, when Tyranid Hive Fleets fight each other you end up with one Hive Fleet about as big as both Fleets combined, with the best tactics and genetics of each.
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Ailaros wrote:You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/31 08:21:40
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
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I would say tau because of there rapid expansion and their supreme grasp of knowledge BUT there small numbers and inability to build or even comprehend a warp drive would mean it would take far to long
My vote goes for tyranids because all they do is consume the galaxy
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/31 17:47:38
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Yellin' Yoof
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Happyjew wrote:I figured it out. None of the options in the poll is correct. As far as we know, the Tyranids might be running from an even bigger predator. That is why they are in our galaxy. What nobody has realised, is they are running from something. The Tyranids are only stopping for lunch until they move on. They'll harvest a few million planets and leave. What comes next is even scarier. The things chasing them are what will take over the galaxy. They have already taken over some of our neighboring galaxies. They are
No, for a greater menace will be the end of existence, one created by humanity itself:
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"BOYZ! Stormboyz, today de uvva gitz are... Uh, ovah dere! We'z know da job, an' we'll do it! We fight ta fight, as Blood Axes, as stormboyz, an' we fight in da name a' Gork an' Mork!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/31 19:46:51
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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dude, stop with that picture lol, I will learn to not look at your spoilers eventually.
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Wyzilla wrote:
Because Plague Marines have the evasion abilities of a drunk elephant.
Burn the Heretic
Kill the mutant
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/31 19:49:25
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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raiden wrote:dude, stop with that picture lol, I will learn to not look at your spoilers eventually.
It's not my fault!
I still think it would be these guys:
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/31 20:23:49
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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not looking!
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Wyzilla wrote:
Because Plague Marines have the evasion abilities of a drunk elephant.
Burn the Heretic
Kill the mutant
Purge the Unclean |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/31 20:39:06
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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I promise. It is not what you think it is.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/31 20:56:24
Subject: Which 'Faction' is most likely to conquer the galaxy?
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Yellin' Yoof
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Of course not. Would this orkmoticon lie to you?
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"BOYZ! Stormboyz, today de uvva gitz are... Uh, ovah dere! We'z know da job, an' we'll do it! We fight ta fight, as Blood Axes, as stormboyz, an' we fight in da name a' Gork an' Mork!" |
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