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Nice. I just haven't gotten the hand of converting metal models

I'm too scared to even try converting metal. I have a hard enough time with plastic, and my greenstuff skills, well... they need work.

Sisters are not friendly to the WYSIWYG crowd these days...

Underslung condemnor conversion I did using a delf cbow:

If you were to turn their SCS in to a counter-charge unit (with the Canoness having a Blade of Admonition attached to that unit), what kind of power weapons you equip them with?

I know there are various kinds of power weapons available in sixth, each with different kinds of stats. Would a power lance equipped squad be the most useful on a counter-charge unit, for example, due to its increased strength on the charge while still fighting at initiative?

Maces.
Maces make them Str5, AP4 and hit at I.

Swords are AP3, but you're strength 3, that's not very good.
Axes make you Str4, AP2, but then you strike last.
Lances make you Str4, AP3 on the charge, and Str3 AP4 otherwise.

Wouldn't that make maces very weak against MEQ?

I'm tempted to go with axes as most people will go before you anyway and then youare both AP2 and STR 4.

Tried Powerr Sword today with the cannoness and its a bit rubbish for 15pts when youa re Str3

How about the BoA for Canoness, plus power axes for the Celestians then? The Canoness challenging any powerfist/powerklaw holders in the enemy squad, while the power axe holders hew away at the squad itself, using a priest to reroll armor saves?

I might be overthinking this.

 Melissia wrote:
Wouldn't that make maces very weak against MEQ?

It is slightly worse against MEQ, but better against everything else, especially TEQs.
A Celestian with a Power Sword base (2A) will do 0.33 wounds against MEQ. Same with a Mace is 0.22 wounds.
But vs Terminators say, it'll be 0.11 wounds with the mace, or 0.056 with the sword.
And 'total average' (against all targets), it's 0.195 wounds with the sword, or 0.292 with the mace.

 Ovion wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
It is slightly worse against MEQ, but better against everything else, especially TEQs.

A Celestian with a Power Sword base (2A) will do 0.33 wounds against MEQ. Same with a Mace is 0.22 wounds.
But vs Terminators say, it'll be 0.11 wounds with the mace, or 0.056 with the sword.
And 'total average' (against all targets), it's 0.195 wounds with the sword, or 0.292 with the mace.

Is that with Toughness 4? How about the power axe given they likely will be striking second anyway?

 Ovion wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
It is slightly worse against MEQ, but better against everything else, especially TEQs.

[snip]

For the record ,you're not quoting my post.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Is that with Toughness 4? How about the power axe given they likely will be striking second anyway?

Don't forget that this is intended as a counter-charge unit, and the Canoness' Act of Faith (granting Hatred, IIRC).

Mr Morden wrote:

 Ovion wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
It is slightly worse against MEQ, but better against everything else, especially TEQs.

A Celestian with a Power Sword base (2A) will do 0.33 wounds against MEQ. Same with a Mace is 0.22 wounds.
But vs Terminators say, it'll be 0.11 wounds with the mace, or 0.056 with the sword.
And 'total average' (against all targets), it's 0.195 wounds with the sword, or 0.292 with the mace.

Is that with Toughness 4? How about the power axe given they likely will be striking second anyway?

Yes, both base Str3, 2A, vs T4, 3+Sv.
An Axe will do about 0.5 wounds against Marines, and 0.243 wounds 'total average'.

Melissia wrote:

 Ovion wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
It is slightly worse against MEQ, but better against everything else, especially TEQs.

[snip]

For the record ,you're not quoting my post.

Fixed.. don't know what happened there. -_-;

 Melissia wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Is that with Toughness 4? How about the power axe given they likely will be striking second anyway?

Don't forget that this is intended as a counter-charge unit, and the Canoness' Act of Faith (granting Hatred, IIRC).

Yeah but you are still I3, Hatred gets you re-rolls to hit in the first round but nothng gets you +1 I :( so unless fighting Guard / Orks still going to strike last?

Which is why I suggested axes, using this setup:

 Melissia wrote:
How about the BoA for Canoness, plus power axes for the Celestians then? The Canoness challenging any powerfist/powerklaw holders in the enemy squad, while the power axe celestians hew away at the squad itself, using a priest to reroll armor saves?

I might be overthinking this.

Sorry got confused when it went back and forth but agreed

Course all the models I have have swords :(

Same. But I can find axes to attach, though it'll be hell to do the actual attaching.

I thinking about sticking axes onto their backs or similar to save horrible conversion problems

An axe sheathed at their belt then?

yeah maybe - gonna have a look and see what would work - what do you think? I have loads of spare axes

Halberds also count as Axes if you look a the rule book. Just another alternative for you.

Ugh. This thread is really making want to go out and buy a load of Superiors to make into a Command Squad, even though I have a priest and a Rhino to finish up. :-/

On a related note, been toying with the idea of running a SCS with plasma pistols and power weapons, since the model I'd most like to represent them with is holding one, and having use of plasma all game seems useful. Would setup have any merit, or is it simply too terrible to use?

Also, some more glossary terms for the Sisters would be ueful.

 pretre wrote:
I have a butt-ton of extra ones if anyone needs them. Mostly the PP/PW ones, but they aren't horrible to convert.

I still have a Seraphim Superior with Power Fist, from back in 2nd Ed when she could take one.

SJ

 Troike wrote:
Ugh. This thread is really making want to go out and buy a load of Superiors to make into a Command Squad, even though I have a priest and a Rhino to finish up. :-/

On a related note, been toying with the idea of running a SCS with plasma pistols and power weapons, since the model I'd most like to represent them with is holding one, and having use of plasma all game seems useful. Would setup have any merit, or is it simply too terrible to use?

Also, some more glossary terms for the Sisters would be ueful.

Not sure its worth it to have both Power weapon and plasma pistol rather than some with Meltan guns and others with Power weapons - but could be wrong as lost my first two games :(

I had my first decent sized game with the new codex tonight. 1000 pts, vs Eldar. Got tabled at the bottom of turn 6.

I had an amazing first round, dominions performed wonderfully. Their changes are as excellent in practice as they are on paper. Didn't matter in the end though, once his warp spiders and war walkers came in from reserve it all went down hill. My Exorcist popped at the bottom of turn 3. It had fired a grand total of 4 missiles by that point.

Eeesh. That's no good Quo. So do you feel it was a codex thing? A weakness in your list somewhere? Or just some terrible rolls?

Also what was your list?

in my experience, its the limited acts of faith that is the greatest challenge to overcome in this army

i think he needs more exorcists

shadowsfm wrote:
in my experience, its the limited acts of faith that is the greatest challenge to overcome in this army

With the WD 'dex, i just tended to burn all my faith points on my HB rets every turn..... Now that that option is gone i'm looking forward to actually using AoF with other units.

One AoF per unit does sound rubbish on paper but I think it can be made to work: Namely by spamming lots of small suicide squads (in MM immo's natch) and getting in my opponents face as quickly as possible.

Would have been great if the Martyrdom rule allowed all units in your army to make an extra AoF..... I miss my Palatine faith pinatas from 5th

I think I like the new AoF honestly. Already in the 2 games I've had the chance to use them it's gone so much smoother than the old system. The consistency and improved usefulness of basic sisters squads is a big plus in my book too.

Speaking of basic squads, how is everyone equipping them now/running them/finding necessary?

Do you think the MSU and Immo spam squads require a priest, or can they get away with just a VSS upgrade?

KelCJ wrote:
I think I like the new AoF honestly. Already in the 2 games I've had the chance to use them it's gone so much smoother than the old system. The consistency and improved usefulness of basic sisters squads is a big plus in my book too.

Speaking of basic squads, how is everyone equipping them now/running them/finding necessary?

Do you think the MSU and Immo spam squads require a priest, or can they get away with just a VSS upgrade?

I'm still waiting for my first game but I'm thinking getting those priests in the small BSS squads is worthwhile, it's very easy to lose 2 bodies even with something as simple as your transport popping so with the priest you don't have to worry about running awsy and can keep pushing forward and hopefully getting a delivery on those special weapons.

I'm planning on running a few different size squads: 1 blob with Jaco and a priest, 1 nine women and priest in a rhimo and 2 x five women squads in MM immos with a priest in each (if points allow). I haven't finalised in my mind their exact roles - but aggressive forward pushing will be the go to in most missions I reckon.

D

Running troops with bolters always seemed to work for me in the last Dex, I'm also loving the new opportunities for maxing flamers and meltas in SCS and dominions. This also means I actually have to think about what HQ to take - shocker!

Like Quo I only run a single exorcist these days. Prefer getting my rhinos and CC specialists up close! War hymns really are amazing.