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 Mr Morden wrote:
I just asked them if the Sororitas are getting one!

If this rumour is accurate, I'm going to guess no.

 SisterSydney wrote:

 OutlawBandit wrote:
How do you guys feel about the new dataslates that are being released? Anything stand out as a perfect addition?

Link please! Thanks.

Digital Editions are doing a release every day until Christmas.
http://www.blacklibrary.com/2013-advent
Doesn't look like there'll be anything for us specifically, though. Perhaps some useful ally material.

Aw sad face :(

 Mr Morden wrote:
Aw sad face :(

Dont be too sad. Remember: The Emperor protects!

What kind of Formation would you form for the Sisters? I'd love to see an Exorcist wing where they could get a choice of Skyfire or even get a Large blast barrage off, all at STR8 AP1 of course

One for Seraphims.

Would be nice to see one that put a bunch of Penitent Engines in front of Repentia. Boosted their Faith save or gave them all +3 move, fleet, shrouded. Something that made them somehow worth taking.

Celestians, new write up for hand flamers, storm shields, power mauls. Just a personal favorite of mine anyways.

Something to fix the worst units in the Dex. Missed opportunities with these units IMO.

 dracpanzer wrote:
Would be nice to see one that put a bunch of Penitent Engines in front of Repentia. Boosted their Faith save or gave them all +3 move, fleet, shrouded. Something that made them somehow worth taking.

Celestians, new write up for hand flamers, storm shields, power mauls. Just a personal favorite of mine anyways.

Something to fix the worst units in the Dex. Missed opportunities with these units IMO.

Something like:
Righteous Zeal:
3+ Units of Repentia, 3+ units of Penitent Engines
All Repentia in the formation gain Feel No Pain.
All Penitent Engines gain It Will Not Die.
All models in the formation may run then assault.
that?

does anybody know where I can aquire this codex outside of the black library? also are there any hardbacks? i hate ebooks

No hardback yet.
Only really ebook atm.

You can always print it though.

 Ovion wrote:
No hardback yet.
Only really ebook atm.

You can always print it though.

That'll be the plan then, guess I'm slipping into work late one of these nights. Same with the inquisition dex, wasnt even aware black library did codexes until today.

So anyone taking forfications? I'm thinking of getting the one with the Marco Cannon and giving it void shields.

 Ovion wrote:
Something like:
Righteous Zeal:
3+ Units of Repentia, 3+ units of Penitent Engines
All Repentia in the formation gain Feel No Pain.
All Penitent Engines gain It Will Not Die.
All models in the formation may run then assault.
that?

Yes, exactly that. Unless you wanted to give them shrouded as well. The Emperor Protects!

I always take forts. Generally Bastions or Aegis.


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Played a game with my SoB plus Inquisition. Ran into a problem. Kill points. Waaaay too many independent characters.

I got to have a SoB/Inquisition army this weekend against some IG.

I. Love. Land Raiders.

I do think I'm gonna start switching the quad gun on the ADL with the cannon. One S9 shot might beat the S7 shots of the quad gun.

Also Valkyries for Henchmen, cuz when I need air support, I NEED air support (my ASF is more an anti-tank flyer.)

 pretre wrote:

Played a game with my SoB plus Inquisition. Ran into a problem. Kill points. Waaaay too many independent characters.

What list were you running? Amazing how many times a KP scenario comes up, but only when I don't want it too.

My list



Managed to pull out a Nova Tie (My 12- to his 13) (He had FB, I had Linebreaker. No warlords.) He was brutalized but I just couldn't get the last wave serpent or his jetseer. I had Jacobus, an Exorcist, 2x 5 girl Battle Sister Squad, Bastion, Henchman with Inq inside bastion. Maybe something else. It was a bloodbath, but doable.


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I was too conservative with the blob, which was my main problem. It needs to be into hand to hand, not sitting around looking pretty.

 pretre wrote:

I was too conservative with the blob, which was my main problem. It needs to be into hand to hand, not sitting around looking pretty.

I've noticed that about Sisters in general. We are very much a close range shooting army, and when you forget that and play defensively or too passively, you're usually screwed (especially against other close range shooting armies.)

Inq even more so, because they seem largely assault based, depending on what henchmen you bring (I prefer psykers, weaponsmiths, and acolytes in power armor with plasma guns.)

Hoitash wrote:
I got to have a SoB/Inquisition army this weekend against some IG.

I. Love. Land Raiders.

I do think I'm gonna start switching the quad gun on the ADL with the cannon. One S9 shot might beat the S7 shots of the quad gun.

Also Valkyries for Henchmen, cuz when I need air support, I NEED air support (my ASF is more an anti-tank flyer.)

For the aegis , the quad gun blows the cannon out of the water.
The only time the lascannon is better is vs AV14.
Otherwise, 4 twin-linked Str7 shots beats 1 Str9 shot.

 Ovion wrote:

Hoitash wrote:
I got to have a SoB/Inquisition army this weekend against some IG.

I. Love. Land Raiders.

I do think I'm gonna start switching the quad gun on the ADL with the cannon. One S9 shot might beat the S7 shots of the quad gun.

Also Valkyries for Henchmen, cuz when I need air support, I NEED air support (my ASF is more an anti-tank flyer.)

For the aegis , the quad gun blows the cannon out of the water.
The [i]only [/i ]time the lascannon is better is vs AV14.
Otherwise, 4 [i]twin-linked[/i ] Str7 shots beats 1 Str9 shot.

I guess the question is, do I want to maybe glance the enemy flyer, or almost definitely pen the enemy flyer?

Ignoring jink saves and other shenanigans (I'm looking at you, Remora drones.)

Cuz I fired the quad at two Vendetta's and all I did was glance them. Then the ADL was overrun by a horde of conscripts.

If we hadn't of ended at Turn 3, odds were good those 3 Vendettas were gonna murderize my entire army, because by then my AA was my twin-linked multi-meltas.

I've just never had good luck with the quad gun.

been messing around with sisters on paper... here is what i currently am thinking.. its different than what I originally was thinking

HQ cannoness, combi flamer
HQ cannoness, book, combi flamer
HQ 5 celestians command squad with 5 heavy bolters
HQ 5 celestians command squad with 5 heavy bolters
Troops 5 sisters in a rhino with 2 meltas
Troops 5 sisters in a rhino with 2 meltas
Troops 5 sisters in a rhino with 2 meltas
Troops 5 sisters in a rhino with 2 meltas
Fast 5 dominions 3 meltas, Dozer MM immolator
Heavy exorcist
Heavy exorcist
Heavy exorcist
HQ Coteaz
Troops 3 plasma cannon servitors
Troops 3 acolytes with boltguns
Elite Vindicare assasin
Fort bastion with quad gun

Its 1850, with an answer to screamer star... the vindicare on the quad gun should kill the grimoire in 1 volley by the math...

Seer council is a tougher nut to crack... but with some luck you can use the vindicare toolbox from inside the bastion to kill of the invulnerable save of "the baron" by allocating a wound to him with shield breaker... but this requires a lot more finesse to pull of since you'd have to lock him down afterwards....

Still don't see a very good answer for jet seer council with this book as primary... but at least its possible with some luck

could try a storm raven from GKs as allies... dropping the vindicare and the plasma cannon squad for the points? Then add a banisher to the accolyte unit and keep it close to the screamers inside the storm raven to make up for the new weakness vs screamer star?

Just some random semi-organized thoughts

Hmm. Interesting. Keep in mind a storm raven gives you mindstrike as well.

Hoitash wrote:

 Ovion wrote:

Hoitash wrote:
I got to have a SoB/Inquisition army this weekend against some IG.

I. Love. Land Raiders.

I do think I'm gonna start switching the quad gun on the ADL with the cannon. One S9 shot might beat the S7 shots of the quad gun.

Also Valkyries for Henchmen, cuz when I need air support, I NEED air support (my ASF is more an anti-tank flyer.)

For the aegis , the quad gun blows the cannon out of the water.
The [i]only [/i ]time the lascannon is better is vs AV14.
Otherwise, 4 [i]twin-linked[/i ] Str7 shots beats 1 Str9 shot.

I guess the question is, do I want to maybe glance the enemy flyer, or almost definitely pen the enemy flyer?

Ignoring jink saves and other shenanigans (I'm looking at you, Remora drones.)

Cuz I fired the quad at two Vendetta's and all I did was glance them. Then the ADL was overrun by a horde of conscripts.

If we hadn't of ended at Turn 3, odds were good those 3 Vendettas were gonna murderize my entire army, because by then my AA was my twin-linked multi-meltas.

I've just never had good luck with the quad gun.

Going by the math, an Icarus at BS3 should hit 1/2 of the time. That means each time you fire, you should make 0.5 hits.
Against AV12, that'll Glance on a 3, and pen on a 4+, so in turn, each time you fire you should cause 0.33 Glance+s (or 0.25 pens).
It has a 1/3 chance of exploding, meaning each Lascannon shot fired will cause 0.083 explodes results, or a 1 in 12.5 chance to destroy it.

In turn, a Quadgun with BS3, should hit with 3 shots, glance on a 5+ and pen on a 6, meaning 1 glance+ (or a 0.5 chance of a pen).
It has a 1/6 chance of exploding, meaning each time you fire the Quadgun, it will cause 0.083 explodes results, or a 1 in 12.5 chance to destroy it.

So it'll do more glances, more pens on average, and the same ammount of Explode.

Ultimately... neither is especially great by the numbers...

What about BS4? I always man my guns -usually with the Superior.

Also, that math presumes my dice are not secretly worshiping Chaos, and thus immune to little things like statistics

Does anyone else think that Sisters are well placed to be a decent anti-superheavy army in spite of the fact that they lack one of their own?

3 Dom squads full up with Meltas in MM immolators along with 3 Exorcists seem like they could ruin the day of most Superheavies, at least the ones that I know about. (I don't know how the Eldar Holo-something works, and there is that all round av14 one that ignores melta, but other than that...)

Hoitash wrote:
What about BS4? I always man my guns -usually with the Superior.

Also, that math presumes my dice are not secretly worshiping Chaos, and thus immune to little things like statistics

BS4 is:
Lascannon > 0.44 Glance (0.33 Pen, 0.11 explode - 1 in 9.1 chance per shot)

Quadgun > 1.2 glance (0.6 pen, 0.1 explode - 1 in 10 chance per shot)

So less glances, less pens, slightly higher chance to blow the target up.

Well, either way I'm lucky to get one shot off (if that) before the gun's destroyed, so may as well tinker with the cannon for a bit.

Wonder if sticking a lascannon on some Inq Valkyries would help... I'm guessing the flier loses skyfire while in hover mode?

Hoitash wrote:
Well, either way I'm lucky to get one shot off (if that) before the gun's destroyed, so may as well tinker with the cannon for a bit.

If the rumors from Stronghold are correct, the Bastion one is part of the building so can't be shot at separately.

 pretre wrote:

Hoitash wrote:
Well, either way I'm lucky to get one shot off (if that) before the gun's destroyed, so may as well tinker with the cannon for a bit.

If the rumors from Stronghold are correct, the Bastion one is part of the building so can't be shot at separately.

Interesting. Although isn't the Bastion itself a building?

Right but it is harder to kill a building than a two wound model.

Curious what the SoB community thinks. Are grey knights better allies or space wolves? Thinking something like Cortez plasma cannon servitors, 3 henchman in storm raven and dread knight with all the goodies or, 2 rune priests 8 grey hunters, drop pod and whirl wind with the addition of another small group of sisters for more scoring. Thoughts?