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Fluffwise I'd go for the stormlord, having a weapon part of the holy trinity and all. However, the hellhammer is really nasty, but unfortunately not a transport.

 SabrX wrote:
Has anyone had success with the Storm Wing formation detachment with primary C.A.D. Sisters? It seems useful against Necron flyers and Nids Sky Blight.

I would consider the Avenger if it weren't for its AV10 sides and 2 HP. Mere bolters can glance it!

Yes. It is expensive, but totally worth it. In 2000-3000 pt games, I run 2. 6 SM flyers are devastating at BS5 against ground targets.

GoonBandito wrote:
If it's swooping around, and you don't have any AA, then I'd probably just ignore it. Really depends on what else the CSM had of course. But running a Blob certainly has huge weaknesses against AP3 Templates/Blasts, so I would almost write if off simply as a poor matchup. If you were boxed up in Rhinos/Immos you would have had a much better time, particularly with the nerfs to FMC and Smash.

The rest of the 1000pts was Helldrake
Kharn with 5 Berzekers in Rhino
5 Berzekers in Rhino
and 3 Spawns

Exorcist Dealt potshots at the Rhinos turn 1 so he disembarked and Bersekers just about made into combat Turn 6

Helldrake only appeared at turn 4

So my target priority was either Daemon Prince or Spawns.

In Hindsight, the Spawns were the threat, wreaking Exorcist, my 5-man Rhino and dealing more damage in combat with the blob than the Daemon Prince ever did.
Sinking 2 turns of shooting in the Prince for 1 wounds should have taken out the spawns and their 12" mvt instead...

Brother Michael wrote:
Fluffwise I'd go for the stormlord, having a weapon part of the holy trinity and all. However, the hellhammer is really nasty, but unfortunately not a transport.

True, but that Doomhammer cannon is hard to deny in an army lacking in S9-10 weapons.

The mental image I'm getting of my Apoc force is that I have as many units in transports as possible, centered or backed by two super heavy transports. Ideally, if I get turn one, I advance with everything and fire, and when the opponent gets their turn, I use the blind barrage asset to force them forward or out of position (blow the asset close enough to my line that I can advance through it on my turn). Turn 2 hits and my armor pushes through the barrage just as all of my Seraphim and deep striking terminator allies hit at the same time. The idea is to get as many Sisters engaged in short range firefights as possible, as that is where they are best and also it reduces the risk of large large templates as I will be too close for them to be safely fired.

Hey there currently playing an escalation event at my local FLGS and we are on the final week at 1500pts the winner of this event will gain some kind of bonus for their army for the 1850 tournament coming up later. The points for the escalation is giving by wins,fully painted army,new army (since the last escalation event), WYSIWYG, and sportsmanship. So far unless i'm forgetting about a game I haven't lost once and as a sorta new player i feel very proud of myself representing the sisters so well. I was hoping for some help for the 1850 coming up to fine tune my list and get some advice on my current list. Unbound is allowed as well as LOW so my list focus for what sisters do best. MELTA MELTA MELTA.

HQ
Saint Celestine (with the seraphim squad)
Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith (my warlord with the first troop unit inside an immolator)

Troops
Battle Sister Squad
4x Battle Sister, Flamer, Multi-Melta
Sister Superior
Melta Bombs

Transport:
Immolator
Twin-linked Multi-melta

Battle Sister Squad
4x Battle Sister, Heavy Bolter , Storm Bolter
Sister Superior
Melta bombs

Transport:
Immolator
Twin-linked Multi-melta

Fast Attack
Seraphim Squad
5x Seraphim, 2x Two Hand Flamers

Heavy Support
Exorcist
Exorcist
Exorcist


Allied force:Blood Angels

HQ
Commander Dante (with celestine and the seraphim squad [Also neat sounding band name])

Troops
Sanguinary Guard (Troops)
Chapter Banner, 4x Glaive Encarmine, 5x Infernus Pistol, Power Fist

Depending on set up i'll have celestine and the seraphim with dante in reserve and deepstrike them in with no scatter as well as an extra inferno pistol and 2/4 body to protect the girls (sometimes I play hot potatoe between dante and celestine for who are getting the wounds shot at). They are my non-vehicle problem solving unit deep striking on a horde and mowing them down with 5 flamers or dumping a bucket of wounds on a unit hiding out o LOS or the enemy's warlord. The Sanguinary guard are another distraction unit although expensive I haven't fough to much that goes through their 2+ armor and I deepstrike them near any vehicles that do have it and blast them with 5 meltas. I'm loving the scatter only 1d6 and trying to get as much as possible out of it. If all goes according to plan giving them a tough choice on what to shoot at between the exorcist, SG, and the seraphim that are up in their face.The immolators i keep hiding while on the move if i can, if i go 2nd or move them out getting some shots off with their TLMM before they go down and I get my sisters into place keeping a careful eye on where jacobus and his unit are. Exorcist i for the most part have them castled up with the 3rd somewhere in the middle for ideal blanket fire and support for one of the other two.

The type of people at my local FLGS arn't WAAC but they aren't 100% fluff only players either. I feel like everyone is at a good mix and the army diversity is very large with almost every army being played by at least someone. Not many people run flyers either but some do there is an imp guard player with two flyers that i forgot the name of but can have 2 las cannons and can deploy. And there is a necron player with a doom scythe. And a tau player running a riptide and couple of other vehicles hammerheads i think?

I'd like to stay WYSIWYG as much as possible so aside from my list i posted here is what i have for my sisters (I don't have any more BA or any other marines/imp guard. I came to sisters from Necrons as my first army if someone wants a list of the necron stuff i have I'll post it here as well.)

1xHeavy flamer Battle sister
1xSister Superior W/ chain sword and plasma pistol
1x flamer Battle sister
2xMelta gun battle sisters

i also have an ADL w/quad gun, an Imperial knight and zero flyers for any army.

Tbh, sadly, I think I might offload my sisters. Whilst they're a self-contained force, I have (a) too much stuff and (b) no £$. So, I'll mention it here before swap shop as you guys have been so kind, and if interested just pm me for details.

Oberron wrote:

Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith (my warlord with the first troop unit inside an immolator)

Troops
Battle Sister Squad
4x Battle Sister, Flamer, Multi-Melta
Sister Superior
Melta Bombs

Maybe personal preference, but i'd say Melta - Heavy Flamer rather than the other way around. Removes Heavy weapons restrictions while on the move (but not really relevant if in an Immo) and that turn when you DO jump out, you don't need to snap fire.

Also allows them to charge more easily with Jacobus (Don't forget all sisters have Bolt pistols). If that is ever considered...

Yeah, agree on the M/HF. The only time I go F/MM is in a repressor.

Repressor already comes with a Heavy Flamer. I tend to field F/MM for static objective guards and dual meltas for aggressive objective takers. All BSS units taking Repressors.

 BlackTalos wrote:
So, finally got my list pretty much ready for the upcoming 2000pts escalation, could do with a bit of advice on organisation (force split up in 500 "bunches")

Game 1: 490pt
Command Squad (5HB)
BSS 5, Melta, HF
BSS 5, Flamer, HF
BSS 5 Flamer, HF
Dominions 4Melta, 2Plasma Pistols

Game 2 - Add 500pts:
Jacobus
Rhino
Rhino
Immolator (MM, Laud H.)
Exorcist x 2

Game 3 - Add 510:
Priest (Power maul)
Priest
BSS 20 with Flamer, HF
Rhino
Avenger

Game 4 - Add 500:
Canoness
Errant Knight

Canoness kinda needed for the Command squad. I'm thinking of dropping the 2 plasma Pistols for a Combi-Melta in the dominions, and get Litanies + Dozer blade with the spare.

Game 2 i might struggle against Flyers (and maybe more) but i'd have good mobility - we're playing Game 1: Vanguard, Game 2 Scourging objectives, Game 3urge the alien and Game 4: Relic

So, got an updated list as i fiddled things around, mainly due to Command Squad being illegal without Canoness, even crossing over games.
I decided i really needed the HB in game 1, and so decided that they'd go in as Retributors, dropping the Avenger (who could only play in game 3 - not earlier) as it seemed a bit week as a reinforcement for the 3rd game.
So:

Game 1: 492pt
BSS 20, Flamer, HF
Dominions 4Melta, Combi-melta
Retributors 6, 4 HB, Simulacrum

Game 2 - Add 500pts:
Jacobus
Priest (Power maul)
Priest (Litanies)
BSS 5 with Melta, HF
Rhino
Immolator (MM, Laud H.)
Exorcist (S.bolter)

Game 3 - Add 500:
Priest
BSS 5 with Melta, HF
Rhino
BSS 5 with Flamer, HF
Rhino
Exorcist (S.bolter)
Bastion (Icarus Las)

Game 4 - Add 505:
Celestine
Errant Knight

Game 1 seems solid, although i had a chat with an opponent and it seems like the match-up could be: 10 Necron warriors, 10 Necron warriors, 2 Destroyers, 5 Tomb blades
I just hope that the Dominions/HB get the destroyers before they get me with their AP3....

Game 2 mechanises the Dominions, and makes the blob the army strong point. Exorcist is nice and extra 5-girl squad for objectives.

Game 3 goes for MSU while keeping good firepower. Gives the Retributors a home.

Game 4, is well.... game 4. Celestine boosts the blob a bit more and the Knight will hopefully be of good use. Especially VS any 500pts or less super-heavy (probably other knights lol)

Question on priests: 1 with Jacobus and blob?
Or 2? If 2, why? so that Jacobus can smash and as backup? was thinking of having the 1 or 2 extra in the 5-girl BSS...

Aren't destroyers ap 4?

 pretre wrote:
Aren't destroyers ap 4?

necron destroyers are 2shot ap3 and heavy is 1shot ap1(2?)

Oh wow. Guess I forgot. Thanks!

On a side note, I have a 1850 3 game tournament in Sept. BAO Style.

Here's my list if SW don't come out:

Uriah Jacobus
3 Priests (Litanies)
BSS (5) with Flamer/MM in Repressor
BSS (5) with Flamer/MM in Repressor
BSS (20) with HF/Melta/MB
Dominions (5) with 4 Melta in TL-MM
Dominions (5) with 3 Melta, Sim Imp in Repressor
Exorcist
Exorcist
Retributors (6) with 4 HB and Sim Imp
Bastion with Ammunition Dump, Void Shield
Coteaz
Xenos with Psychotroke, Liber, Rad, Servoskull
8 Henchmen with 1 Plasma, 3 Plasma Cannons
1850 on the nose.

Coteaz with the Servs on top of the Bastion. Rets inside. Ammo dump within 2 of the bastion and at least one exorcist.

Just had a really fun 1500pt game against a mixed AM/MT army. There were only two less fun things:
- My avenger strike fighter I just bought got destroyed first.
- I don't mean in-game. It literally fell off the table and broke one of the rear wings while the glue of the other rear wing and one of the front ones let loose :(

(also Celestine rolled 11 for her AoF but that doesn't really bother me as much )

Oh crap. That is super lame. I hope you can get it back together.

Yeah, I dropped mine once, too. On stairs.

It was surprisingly durable, but was still annoying.

Bay Area Open is tomorrow. I've settled on my AV13 spam list with Knight Paladin. That's 10 AV13 vehicles, 16 Meltaguns, 1 MM, and 3 Exorcists. I've only had 4 practice games with it. I won't mention results since I plan to write a couple battle reports, but overall, I'm very satisfied with my list works.

Tried the Canoness + Celestian + Priest retinue again today, this time in a 2v2 vs Tyranids and Chaos Space Marines with a Marine on my team. Again, they seemed to do alright. Charged a Carnifex and absolutely krumped it. Of course Carnifex's aren't super-great against Infantry in melee, but they're still a S9, T6 MC. S4 Celestians with 3 Attacks on the charge put a couple of wounds on, then the S7 Eviscerators swings cleaned it up. Then they ate a charge from The Swarmlord+Tyrant Guard and a Hive Tyrant. Despite the unit being roasted by the Chaos Lord's Burning Brand and a shot up by a squad of Plague Marines in the shooting phase which killed 5 Celestians, the Superior and the other Priest, the Canoness and a Priest with the Litanies faced down two of the biggest baddest MC that Nid's can throw at you... and held. Re-rolling To Hits from Hatred, and being S6 from the Eviscerators, the Priest and Canoness put some AP2 wounds on the Hive Tyrant and despite the 8 AP2 Wounds the Nids threw back, pass all of the re-rollable 4++.

Next combat saw 2 wounds get through my saves, popping the priest and putting a wound on the Canoness (she had the Mantle for Eternal Warrior). Flubbed all her attack rolls though. Still, she held and on our next turn a squad of Tactical Marines joined in to hand out some Krak Grenades. Hive Tyrant down to 1 wound, Tyrant Guard had eaten some wounds for the Swarmlord and a combination of poor attack rolling and the 4++ Rosarius meant the Canoness was still kicking. Unfortunately we ran out of time and had to end there, probably on the losing side of a drawn out combat since the Swarmlord was basically at full strength but I'm pretty sure we would have killed the Hive Tyrant at least.

I'm starting to like the Canoness + Celestian + Priest retinue. I mean it's not cheap - my loadout for the squad comes to about 420pts, which includes a Rhino, Canoness with Mantle/Rosarius/Inferno Pistol/Eviscerator, 2 Priests with Evicerators and 1 with the Litanies, 5 Celestians and a Superior. I don't have any Repentia or Death Cult Assassins, and to be fair most of the CC nastiness comes from the Priests and Canoness so you could probably replace the Celestians with Repentia or DCA and be just as, if not more, effective. But it definitely gives you CC options that you couldn't do with St. Celestine. For example, there's no way I'd be getting Celestine anywhere near a 'Nid or Demon Monstrous Creature since she'd be Insta Death'd. Plus Celestine being Jump Infantry makes it awkward to keep a retinue of Priests with her. But on the other hand a Canoness with an Eviscerator, Rosarius, Mantle and some Priests to back her up would let me at least feel like I have a reasonable chance of putting some pain on.

I'd give 1 or 2 the priests a power maul and save 15 pts, if not both. the eviscerators only give you str 6, and the maul gives you str 5 ap4, str 5 ap2 when you use smash at full attacks, or str 8 ap2 at 1 attack.

The Eviscerator has Armourbane though, which can be handy against some opponents where the single S8 smash attack isn't good enough.

True, but i feel if i can't melta a vehicle with a SoB army, then i don't deserve to kill it in assault.

 deviantduck wrote:
I'd give 1 or 2 the priests a power maul and save 15 pts, if not both. the eviscerators only give you str 6, and the maul gives you str 5 ap4, str 5 ap2 when you use smash at full attacks, or str 8 ap2 at 1 attack.

Problem then is you then have to use a War Hymn to get Smash/AP2. The other two hymns are significantly better, mainly because they buff the entire unit whereas Smash only applies to the individual priest. Being able to reroll all those Celestian wounds is pretty nice, given they are doing 3 attacks on the charge, with Hatred, at WS4.

Smash is not reliable like it used to be.

 pretre wrote:

Here's my list if SW don't come out:

Uriah Jacobus
3 Priests (Litanies)
BSS (5) with Flamer/MM in Repressor
BSS (5) with Flamer/MM in Repressor
BSS (20) with HF/Melta/MB
Dominions (5) with 4 Melta in TL-MM
Dominions (5) with 3 Melta, Sim Imp in Repressor

Thought i put the question somewhere but as we're talking about it i'll go again:

In such a setup, how many priests (and jacobus) would you put in the 20 squad?
Jacob+1 for the 2 "important" acts, or Jacob+2 to get some smash?

thx

Priests are cheap and losing 1 or 2 is bound to happen no matter how carefully you advance/position them.

So in the rumors section is says the itunes Ebook was updated today. Android for this guy. Anyone check the update yet? the blacklibrary epub version is the same as the one from june 13.

Question: is the Celestian AoF so good that the 5 of them are better than a command squad? If not, you could give your unit FNP and/or an extra attack each.

 deviantduck wrote:
So in the rumors section is says the itunes Ebook was updated today. Android for this guy. Anyone check the update yet? the blacklibrary epub version is the same as the one from june 13.

ePub here too, but would love to know...

probably just updated links etc...

 BlackTalos wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Here's my list if SW don't come out:

Uriah Jacobus
3 Priests (Litanies)
BSS (5) with Flamer/MM in Repressor
BSS (5) with Flamer/MM in Repressor
BSS (20) with HF/Melta/MB
Dominions (5) with 4 Melta in TL-MM
Dominions (5) with 3 Melta, Sim Imp in Repressor

Thought i put the question somewhere but as we're talking about it i'll go again:

In such a setup, how many priests (and jacobus) would you put in the 20 squad?
Jacob+1 for the 2 "important" acts, or Jacob+2 to get some smash?

thx

All the priests go in the 20. 2 for hymns, 2 for smash. Keep in mind you don't have to smash attack to get the ap2 with your normal attacks.

Exactly. You need 2 for reroll to wound, and reroll saves, and then the rest you give power mauls so they can use smash and hit at str 5 ap2 x4 attacks on the charge.