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 pretre wrote:

 Inevitable_Faith wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:

 Inevitable_Faith wrote:

I'm not trying to be cheesy here btw, I always played it as unwieldly and thought that was fine but now my dex is proving me wrong, anyone else catch this?

Hadn't updated mine in awhile, checked it and the eviscerator was unwieldy. Updated it and now its just melee, armourbane, two-handed. Does that make repentia good yet?

Nice catch, might put a few in at the club today, see if they last long enough to cause some trouble.

I don't own any repentia sadly but I do own a Canoness that I often field with an eviscerator and rosarius. At ws 5 and I4 she's ok stat-wise. The big thing for her now is that if she strikes at I4 then at worst she can take out a few marines with her or even go before any power fists and possibly get the kills in before they strike. In any challenge against characters that have fists or other unwieldly weapons the eviscerator could be a great option for us. I always liked my canoness with eviscerator but this just made her much more appealing, if this isn't a typo then it's a nice little bonus for us atleast.

Oh I just thought of something: Unit of repentia that you successfully charge against some hammernators, even at I3 repentia strike first, at S6 and so wound on a 2. If you can get them there safely repentia at I3 seem like a solid anti-elite 1 big point sinks. Would beat out a necron overlord if I remember correctly too. Riptides maybe?

"Profiles for the following melee weapons are listed in the reference section. Their full rules can be found in Warhammer 40,000: The Rules.

Chainsword, ... Eviscerator."

Yeah, sorry, it's unwieldy.

My new copy says that the rules have been condensed and the full version can be found in the BRB, it doesn't list unwieldy for the eviscerator though. It shows two handed and melee which I can find the full version of in the BRB. Perhaps I'm just hoping they gave a little something to make repentia a little less terrible, but where does it say BRB overrides Codex? Where does the Codex (newly updated) give the eviscerator unwieldy? Mine doesn't.

Its saying to look at the BRB for the full rules, which sadly include unwieldy? I think that's what hes aying

 Jancoran wrote:
Its saying to look at the BRB for the full rules, which sadly include unwieldy? I think that's what hes aying

It says all the rules are condensed for ease of reference and their full version can be found in the BRB. It doesn't say to look for the profiles for these weapons in the BRB, it provides its own. It may be a mistake, granted, but the codex doesn't list unwieldy. My group is more than happy to let it go till they change it. Makes repentia suck a little bit less.

Edit: Just checked again, my codex actually says "If you need the full rule, see its entry in the relevant section of the book." Doesn't say BRB at all, just, the book. Will probably get changed at some point, but its definitely different than the codex I had before I updated it to check for the change.

So, on an unrelated note to the eviscerators, I had my tourney today. Went 2-1, got almost full points in game 1 and 3 and was tabled by turn 2 in game two, getting no points. No Lords or war and no formations was the rules. 1500 points.

Celestine, 3 BSS in immolators, 2 doms in Repressors, 1 Seraphim, 2 Exorcists (who never got more than 3 shots except for one occasion) 1 avenger strike fighter an inquisitor with a small retinue.

Game one was against probably the best painted Eldar I have ever seen in person. Jain Zar and a Succubus in a squad of banshees in a raider was actually pretty scary until I was able to focus fire and shoot it down. Some war walkers, fire prisms, serpents, kabalite warriors, raiders, vemons, ect. 3 objectives. Hammer and Anvil



I played well but I got lucky too, managed to roll hard 6++ saves against 3 bright lances in a single turn, all against the same Immolator. And I managed to blow up Jain Zar's Raider and a wave serpent full of Dire avengers with non-melta range melta guns. So, It wasn't all me. Ended up with all three objectives, warlord and first blood for 1 point off max.



I went on to face a guy I have never beaten in the 8 years I've played against him. One objective each, dawn of war. Everybody told me to keep my head up but I got hit with drop pod Tiggy with Grav cents and drop pod sternguard and drop pod more grav cents and he was able to table me at the end of his 3rd turn before I got to go. I circled the wagons but was only able to kill 2 or 3 cents before the game was over. Saint Celetine and her Seraphim didn't come in but it wouldn't have made a difference.


Turn three was against a Tzeentch heavy deamon list, with more than a little Slaneesh in it too. Vanguard strike, kill points. He did a lot of summoning and my Inquisitor managed to explode his own mind twice but his deamon prince and keeper of secrets both managed to fail (long-ish) charges on the same turn and I was able to shoot them down with ignore cover meltas, multimeltas, combi plasmas, avenger strike fighters and multi-meltas. About 4/5ths of my army. But they both were taken down. Didn't help that his Soul Grinder managed to not kill a Repressor on the charge, I have no idea how that happened. He kept summoning a lot of assault heavy deamons but that allowed me to re-position and flamer them to death over the course of the next few turns, netting me a lot of kill points for the victory.

So, in the end I came in second, losing to the guy who tabled me turn three, not a bad showing.

Purple Sisters represent.

 GoonBandito wrote:
Purple Sisters represent.

What, what!?

Congrats, got any close ups of your Sisters? I have always been tempted to paint up some purple sisters but always lose my nerve and go with the official schemes. \

Very nice Eldar as well.

Congrats Celtic! Great showing!

Nice man, Sisters for the (mostly) win!

Adepta Sororitas are sneaky good. I find that they continually have the capacity to take advantage of being underestimated.

My newest list which I haven't painted yet, is designed to take care of the Wraith Knight indignity. Sisters of Battle are most deadly at close range and fortunately can be at very close range very quickly.

So speed and punch are the watchwords of the new list! Fortitude, not suh much but yay for speed.

 Jancoran wrote:
Adepta Sororitas are sneaky good. I find that they continually have the capacity to take advantage of being underestimated.

My newest list which I haven't painted yet, is designed to take care of the Wraith Knight indignity. Sisters of Battle are most deadly at close range and fortunately can be at very close range very quickly.

So speed and punch are the watchwords of the new list! Fortitude, not suh much but yay for speed.

Do share the new list idea.

One word: Harlequins

 dracpanzer wrote:
Congrats, got any close ups of your Sisters? I have always been tempted to paint up some purple sisters but always lose my nerve and go with the official schemes. \

Very nice Eldar as well.

Thanks. Not yet, was going to take pictures when they're done, so one vehicle and 3 individual models. Once that's done, then totally.


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PanzerLeader wrote:
Congrats Celtic! Great showing!

Thanks


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talljosh85 wrote:
Nice man, Sisters for the (mostly) win!

Also thanks

PanzerLeader wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
Adepta Sororitas are sneaky good. I find that they continually have the capacity to take advantage of being underestimated.

My newest list which I haven't painted yet, is designed to take care of the Wraith Knight indignity. Sisters of Battle are most deadly at close range and fortunately can be at very close range very quickly.

So speed and punch are the watchwords of the new list! Fortitude, not suh much but yay for speed.

Do share the new list idea.

Its a variantion on this article i wrote: http://40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2015/06/adepta-sororitas-in-7th-edition.html

I got some good input after posting this and have had some time to think about it a little more. So i have purchased most of the components and the initial playtesting was SPECTACULAR in effect, but that was very limited and not against true tournament forces so I have yet to know how it will do.

Any input is welcome. My table is so cluttered with projects that I have a little time before i need to finish this. Maybe aftr I test it against a tougher army or two I'll posit its final form.

I am currently comparing lists and trying to decide which one i should pick, advice is appreciated.
hq
saint celestine

troops
battle sisters, 8 models, priest with bolt pistol, flamer, heavy flamer, reppresser
battle sisters, 8 models, priest with bolt pistol, flamer, heavy flamer, reppresser
battle sisters, 8 models, priest with bolt pistol, flamer, heavy flamer, reppresser

fast attack
dominion, 5 models, 4 meltaguns, reppresser
dominion, 5 models, 4 meltaguns, reppresser
seraphim, 6 models, 2 hand flamers


heavy support
exorcist
exorcist

total :1491



hq
saint celestine

troops
battle sisters, 9 models, priest with bolt pistol, flamer, heavy flamer, simulacrum imperialis, rhino
battle sisters, 9 models, priest with bolt pistol, flamer, heavy flamer, simulacrum imperialis, rhino+land hailer
battle sisters, 9 models, priest with bolt pistol, flamer, heavy flamer, simulacrum imperialis, rhino

fast attack
dominion, 5 models, 4 meltaguns, combimelta, immolator+land hailer
dominion, 5 models, 4 meltaguns, combimelta, immolator
seraphim, 8 models, 2 hand flamers

heavy support
exorcist
exorcist

total :1492

The top list should be more durable, with the basic idea is to keep the sisters inside their transports for the duration of the game firing out of their firing points.
The bottom list has more reliable and long lasting faith powers and an increase in meltas for the dominions and more bodyguards for Celestine.

Right now i have all the models i need for the top list but can't get repressors or convert them from immolators since there out of stock and i can't find a good deal on eBay so i am currently just waiting for immolator or reppressor stock to become available, since i live in Australia the reppressor seem to be cheaper then the immolators(if i am remembering correctly.

I would ditch the priests, extra BSS bodies and such to get another exorcist.

CAD: Sisters of Battle!!

Priest with Linaties of Faith
40 points

St Celestine
135 points

Battle Sisters with meltagun, Immolater with TL MM, laud hailer
140 points

Battle Sisters with meltagun, Immolater with TL MM, laud hailer
140 points


Dominions with 4 meltaguns
105 points
Dominions with 4 meltaguns
105 points

Exorcist
125 points
Exorcist
125 points
Retributor Squad with 4 H flamers
100 points


Flesh Tearers Strike Force

Astorath
165 points

10 Death Company jump packs with 2 Power Fist
280 points

Tac Squad with flamer, drop pod
110 points

4x Drop pods
140 points

Assassinorum Detachment:
Celexus Assassin
140 points

1850 points

So, what about this? Is it solid enough to compete?

Not bad. I could pick some niggling wargear points, but it looks solid.

 pretre wrote:

 Inevitable_Faith wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:

 Inevitable_Faith wrote:

I'm not trying to be cheesy here btw, I always played it as unwieldly and thought that was fine but now my dex is proving me wrong, anyone else catch this?

Hadn't updated mine in awhile, checked it and the eviscerator was unwieldy. Updated it and now its just melee, armourbane, two-handed. Does that make repentia good yet?

Nice catch, might put a few in at the club today, see if they last long enough to cause some trouble.

I don't own any repentia sadly but I do own a Canoness that I often field with an eviscerator and rosarius. At ws 5 and I4 she's ok stat-wise. The big thing for her now is that if she strikes at I4 then at worst she can take out a few marines with her or even go before any power fists and possibly get the kills in before they strike. In any challenge against characters that have fists or other unwieldly weapons the eviscerator could be a great option for us. I always liked my canoness with eviscerator but this just made her much more appealing, if this isn't a typo then it's a nice little bonus for us atleast.

Oh I just thought of something: Unit of repentia that you successfully charge against some hammernators, even at I3 repentia strike first, at S6 and so wound on a 2. If you can get them there safely repentia at I3 seem like a solid anti-elite 1 big point sinks. Would beat out a necron overlord if I remember correctly too. Riptides maybe?

"Profiles for the following melee weapons are listed in the reference section. Their full rules can be found in Warhammer 40,000: The Rules.

Chainsword, ... Eviscerator."

Yeah, sorry, it's unwieldy.

yeah I seen the bit where it says to look in the BRB and the BRB has it labeled as unwieldy. The typo is in the reference section at the end of the dex that has all the weapon stats listed, they omitted to label it as unwieldy there. We have a discrepancy between the reference in our dex vs the stats listed in the BRB. I know it's cheesy to try and argue that it is not unwieldy but the case could be made none the less. I personally will be having my canoness strike at I1 cause I'm confident that unwieldy was the intent of GW for this weapon, I'm just playing devil's advocate and pointing out where the rules could allow the argument to be made since there is an apparent typo in the reference section.

Yeah, I wouldn't try that argument at any event I wanted to go back to.

just2fierce wrote:
CAD: Sisters of Battle!!

Priest with Linaties of Faith
40 points

St Celestine
135 points

Battle Sisters with meltagun, Immolater with TL MM, laud hailer
140 points

Battle Sisters with meltagun, Immolater with TL MM, laud hailer
140 points


Dominions with 4 meltaguns
105 points
Dominions with 4 meltaguns
105 points

Exorcist
125 points
Exorcist
125 points
Retributor Squad with 4 H flamers
100 points


Flesh Tearers Strike Force

Astorath
165 points

10 Death Company jump packs with 2 Power Fist
280 points

Tac Squad with flamer, drop pod
110 points

4x Drop pods
140 points

Assassinorum Detachment:
Celexus Assassin
140 points

1850 points

So, what about this? Is it solid enough to compete?

Looks good. I'd trade the immolators for Rhinos or Repressors though. Having to expose to shoot hurts too much.

 pretre wrote:
I would ditch the priests, extra BSS bodies and such to get another exorcist.

i can see how getting rid of the extra sisters to fit an exorcist in would be a good idea but wouldn't removing the priests remove some of the squads durability due to loss of fearless.

 Vandire651 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I would ditch the priests, extra BSS bodies and such to get another exorcist.

i can see how getting rid of the extra sisters to fit an exorcist in would be a good idea but wouldn't removing the priests remove some of the squads durability due to loss of fearless.

You should never plan for failure. If you've gotten your BSS into close combat, things have started to go pear-shaped. I will occasionally pop a priest into a BSS if I have a specific purpose for them (I.e., to act as a tarpit), but I never attach a priest per squad in a normal list. Fearless prevents the squad from going to ground, and this can be key late game when you're trying to hold those objectives.

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, I wouldn't try that argument at any event I wanted to go back to.

Nor would I, it was simply an anomaly I found in the dex and I thought I would bring it up to see if anyone else had noticed it.

I have updated the lists, as always advice is appreciated.

Hq
Saint celestine

Troops
Sisters of battle, 5 models, flamer, heavy flamer, simulacrum imperialis, repressor+land hailer
Sisters of battle, 5 models, flamer, heavy flamer, simulacrum imperialis, repressor
Sisters of battle, 5 models, flamer, heavy flamer, simulacrum imperialis, repressor

Fast assault
Dominion, 5 models, 4 meltas, combi melta, repressor+land hailer
Dominion, 5 models, 4 meltas, combi melta, repressor
Seraphim, 6 models, 2 hand flamers

Heavy support
Exorcist
Exorcist
Exorcist

Total 1500


Hq
Saint celestine

Troops
Sisters of battle, 5 models, flamer, heavy flamer, simulacrum imperialis, rhino+land hailer
Sisters of battle, 5 models, flamer, heavy flamer, simulacrum imperialis, rhino+land hailer
Sisters of battle, 5 models, flamer, heavy flamer, simulacrum imperialis, rhino
Sisters of battle, 5 models, flamer, heavy flamer, simulacrum imperialis, rhino

Fast assault
Dominion, 5 models, 4 meltas, combi melta, immolator+land hailer
Dominion, 5 models, 4 meltas, combi melta, immolator
Seraphim, 6 models, 2 hand flamers

Heavy support
Exorcist
Exorcist
Exorcist

Total 1500

I guess it all comes down to if the extra fire points and durability of the reppressors make up for the lose of an extra sister squad

If you're running repressors, swap the BSS to Melta/Flamer or Melta/Melta since the rep comes with a HF>


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I'd run the first list, but ditch the Simulacrums for the BSS. You don't really get that much use out of them for BSS.

 pretre wrote:
If you're running repressors, swap the BSS to Melta/Flamer or Melta/Melta since the rep comes with a HF>


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I'd run the first list, but ditch the Simulacrums for the BSS. You don't really get that much use out of them for BSS.

While I can see how replacing the heavy flamer for a melta can make the sisters squads able to take on tanks wouldn't it also make them less Specialised, generally I prefer to keep the basic sister squads focused on infantry and rely on the dominions and exorcists to deal with tanks, though I suppose the Repressors heavy flamer can help make up for the lose.

I do agree with the simulacrums being a waste and will remove them.

Personally I love my flamer/HF sister squads and they pull weight for me. Light vehicles I have no qualms assaulting with krak grenades and heavy vehicles I think the doms and exos can handle. If you're fighting a vehicle heavy list the swap from flamer to melta can be advised but as a TAC list I think flamer/HF is fun.

As for rhino vs Repressor I think it may be six of one and half a dozen of another. Having the extra BSS if you run rhinos is great but the Repressors are awesome in their own right. On a personal note I tend to run smaller cheaper units when I can because I appreciate target saturation. At the end of the day it truly is your call which you'd prefer to run.

Agreed that Simulacrums are not really all that amazing atm.

Repressors come with hf default so you're not losing much by going double melta.

 pretre wrote:
Repressors come with hf default so you're not losing much by going double melta.

While I agree that the heavy flamer that comes with the repressor helps compensate for the lose of a heavy flamer in the squad, having two heavy flamers are still better then 1 since going double not only doubles the firepower you have against hordes but it also allows you to flame two hordes at once and turns charging the reppressor into a suicide mission due to the ridiculous amount of overwatch you can put out.