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I meant (as a general 40k rule) does being in a given formation in an army list grant the Faction of the Formation as that would be useful given the information in the bit above which allows you take a SOB squad as part of your Inquisition Formation.

This would then allow, say, the Inquisitor to deploy in the Immolator which he/she could not do with the general Sisters squad?

 Mr Morden wrote:
I meant (as a general 40k rule) does being in a given formation in an army list grant the Faction of the Formation as that would be useful given the information in the bit above which allows you take a SOB squad as part of your Inquisition Formation.

This would then allow, say, the Inquisitor to deploy in the Immolator which he/she could not do with the general Sisters squad?

According to the BRB, faction is based on the unit, not the formation.

 pretre wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I meant (as a general 40k rule) does being in a given formation in an army list grant the Faction of the Formation as that would be useful given the information in the bit above which allows you take a SOB squad as part of your Inquisition Formation.

This would then allow, say, the Inquisitor to deploy in the Immolator which he/she could not do with the general Sisters squad?

According to the BRB, faction is based on the unit, not the formation.

Ah right - thanks.

Hmm. Okay, so how can we abuse the 12" Precision Strikes and Shots bubble. It doesn't appear to be limited to infantry, so all AS models within 12" can get it.

Confirmed Firing Point for Immolator makes me happy.

The 12" Precision Strikes and Shots bubble immediately makes me think of Weaponsmiths and Plasma gun acolytes (I know I'm in a bit of a rut there). Maybe Heavy bolters would be a better match.

Are sisters blobs going to be a thing on the table?

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Confirmed Firing Point for Immolator makes me happy.

The 12" Precision Strikes and Shots bubble immediately makes me think of Weaponsmiths and Plasma gun acolytes (I know I'm in a bit of a rut there). Maybe Heavy bolters would be a better match.

Are sisters blobs going to be a thing on the table?

The bubble only works on AS faction. So no weapon smiths.


You could probably do a Bastion with Ammo Dump, Rets in Bastion, 3 Exos. Put Veridyan around it somewhere.

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Confirmed Firing Point for Immolator makes me happy.

The 12" Precision Strikes and Shots bubble immediately makes me think of Weaponsmiths and Plasma gun acolytes (I know I'm in a bit of a rut there). Maybe Heavy bolters would be a better match.

Acolytes aren't Adepta Sororitas, are they? She only grants it to Adepta Sororitas units.

Immolators are AS units though, so if it works on vehicles that could be very handy indeed. Plus you get Meltaguns on all your AS infantry, which might work well with Precision Shots. I can see Repentia with Precision Strikes being quite nasty too, if there's some way to get them into an Assault Vehicle.

Are sisters blobs going to be a thing on the table?

I'm not sure they are. What does blobbing up make them better at? Not close combat; they're terrible at that, even with Zealot, and as soon as the Priest dies the whole unit becomes Sweepable. Might be a good clogging unit - 20 power armoured Zealots is going to be difficult to shift, T3 or no T3, and they put out an awful lot of S4 shots at 12". Then again that's nearly 300pts in a single blob, all walking everywhere, with no DS or Outflank or anything.

 pretre wrote:
Hmm. Okay, so how can we abuse the 12" Precision Strikes and Shots bubble. It doesn't appear to be limited to infantry, so all AS models within 12" can get it.

Exorcists, Retributors with 4 Heavy Bolters, and Commands Squads with either 5 Heavy Bolters or Multi-Meltas for Precision Shots.

Both? Retributors or Command Squads with Heavy Flamers, Seraphim, Dominions, Command Squads decked out for melee, Battle Conclaves, Preachers, Repentia and Penitent Engines....

Taikishi wrote:
Command Squads decked out for melee

... what does that look like exactly? How do you deck out an S3 T3 I3 model out for close combat?

Taikishi wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Hmm. Okay, so how can we abuse the 12" Precision Strikes and Shots bubble. It doesn't appear to be limited to infantry, so all AS models within 12" can get it.

Exorcists, Retributors with 4 Heavy Bolters, and Commands Squads with either 5 Heavy Bolters or Multi-Meltas for Precision Shots.

Both? Retributors or Command Squads with Heavy Flamers, Seraphim, Dominions, Command Squads decked out for melee, Battle Conclaves, Preachers, Repentia and Penitent Engines....

The first sentence, yes. The second sentence just seems to be a list of units. Heavy Flamers don't even roll to hit, so how do they use Precision Strikes.

Can a sister man a gun emplacement on a fortification and benefit from PS?

I have never used fortifications so I don't know if this works or if there is even a fortification that would even be good for this.

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
Can a sister man a gun emplacement on a fortification and benefit from PS?

I have never used fortifications so I don't know if this works or if there is even a fortification that would even be good for this.

Yes to the first question. It acts as an extra weapon for that model.

Yeah, I see the AS on Veridan now.
I also just saw the full description of the Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave...
3-10 UNIT from DCS, Arcos, or Crusader. Each could be a unit of up to 10.
It is the White Tide! You could have a unit of 101 models for the Ecclesiarchy... not saying that it would be good, but they all have 5++

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Yeah, I see the AS on Veridan now.
I also just saw the full description of the Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave...
3-10 UNIT from DCS, Arcos, or Crusader. Each could be a unit of up to 10.
It is the White Tide! You could have a unit of 101 models for the Ecclesiarchy... not saying that it would be good, but they all have 5++

Shield of Faith is a 6++ unless you have Jacobus.

 pretre wrote:

Taikishi wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Hmm. Okay, so how can we abuse the 12" Precision Strikes and Shots bubble. It doesn't appear to be limited to infantry, so all AS models within 12" can get it.

Exorcists, Retributors with 4 Heavy Bolters, and Commands Squads with either 5 Heavy Bolters or Multi-Meltas for Precision Shots.

Both? Retributors or Command Squads with Heavy Flamers, Seraphim, Dominions, Command Squads decked out for melee, Battle Conclaves, Preachers, Repentia and Penitent Engines....

The first sentence, yes. The second sentence just seems to be a list of units. Heavy Flamers don't even roll to hit, so how do they use Precision Strikes.

You're not going to be able to fit all of that within a 24" diameter bubble, obviously, but the Heavy Flamers are there since you're marching up field, anyway. Thin out the units to make assaults easier. Dominions and Seraphim to pop their most annoying weapons on overwatch, and their characters, before charging. Anything that survives the Heavy Flamers, Dominions and Seraphim gets hit in assault by whatever charges. Though the imagery of Repentia and Penitent Engines raging with Precision Strikes makes me giggle a little.

Oh, that was a list? I'm not sure how that would work then. You aren't going tobe able to even buy all that in a normal list. Why don't you write it up?

 BBAP wrote:

Taikishi wrote:
Command Squads decked out for melee

... what does that look like exactly? How do you deck out an S3 T3 I3 model out for close combat?

Without a Preacher:
Hospitaller for FNP
Sacred Banner so every friendly unit within 12" gets +1A
Non-Hospitaller models get Power Axes and possibly Plasma Pistols
non-Warlord Canoness with Eviscerator, Rosarius and Mantle of Ophilia
Repressor transport

With at least one Preacher:
Swap Power Axes, possibly Canoness' Eviscerator for Power Mauls (can keep Eviscerator for MC or walkers)
Preacher gets Power Maul or Eviscerator (see Canoness) and Litanies of Faith
Use Emperor's Fury for S5, AP2, Concussive attacks or if you need it one S8, AP2, Concussive attack each
Additional Preachers for the Emperor Protects and Righteousness of the Emperor
Repressor Transport


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Pretre,

Wasn't so much a list as spit balling ideas. Not sure I even want to come up with that list tbh and I used to play both BA and Khorne in 2nd/3rd >.>

The problem with that unit is that they aren't going to kill anything, even with rerolls. S3 T3 I3 models with Power Axes just aren't that badass.

Taikishi wrote:
Without a Preacher:
Hospitaller for FNP
Sacred Banner so every friendly unit within 12" gets +1A
Non-Hospitaller models get Power Axes and possibly Plasma Pistols
non-Warlord Canoness with Eviscerator, Rosarius and Mantle of Ophilia
Repressor transport

With at least one Preacher:
Swap Power Axes, possibly Canoness' Eviscerator for Power Mauls (can keep Eviscerator for MC or walkers)
Preacher gets Power Maul or Eviscerator (see Canoness) and Litanies of Faith
Use Emperor's Fury for S5, AP2, Concussive attacks or if you need it one S8, AP2, Concussive attack each
Additional Preachers for the Emperor Protects and Righteousness of the Emperor
Repressor Transport

I'm seeing two tremendously expensive units that can't charge out of their vehicle, can't dodge obstacles, can't double out anything tougher than Eldar... that's not good. I don't know what a Repressor costs, but if you put that first one in an Immo it comes out at 420pts. Four hundred and twenty points, for a single unit of WS4 S3 T3 I3 models. Compare that to an equivalent number of Thunderwolf Cavalry.

Why are so many Sisters players obsessed with turning them into close combateers? I don't get it. They're one of the best short-range shooting armies in 40k, yet everyone wants them to have punch-ups.

1. You asked a question, I gave you an answer as to how; that's all that happened there. What obsession with making a close combat army?

2. Your costs are off. It's 400 points in an Immo, 415 in a Repressor; the standard bearer and the Hospitaller can't take extra equipment. Drop the pistols and you're down to 355/370 depending on transport of choice.

Next game I am going to ask my oponent to let me try something different with the acts of faith.

To gain access to a specific act, I need to have a squad that brings it to the table. No rending AOF if I don't field a squad of retributors for example.

Now I get to use that rending on any units I want with the caveats that once it's been used, I cannot re-use it on another unit and the unit that used the AOF have spent their charge for the game.

Simulacrums change: They add uses of an AOF to the pool, but also allow said unit to spend more charges on the AOF available in the pool.

Example: Bring two squads of retributors with similacrums and you've just added 4 rending AOF to that pool. Any squads can use them, but are limited by how many charges they have. Retributors would have 2 charges each, but could chose to use Hatred if they wanted assuming you have a canoness fielded to contribute a charge of hatred to the pool. If there's only one canoness, then that single charge of hatred is gone and unavailable to the other squads.

It would allow for more tactical flexibility and promote the use of squads that we almost never see on the battlefield. Celestians to get 1 charge of that Furious Charge or Repentias to be able to pop feel no pain on your canoness stuck in a challenge. It also would most definately boost sales of the Simulacrum carrying model for GW making it even more interesting than it is.


I am not sure yet how I would play Jacobus and how he would contribute to this, but it should not be too hard to come up with something sensible.

Am I the first to notice that Veridyan isn't unique? Or does it state it somewhere I didn't see.

If you want a Sisters cc army then the Faith Tide is for you

As someone who runs a Green Tide it's going to be a laff

 deviantduck wrote:
Am I the first to notice that Veridyan isn't unique? Or does it state it somewhere I didn't see.

lol good catch


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Voldrak wrote:
Next game I am going to ask my oponent to let me try something different with the acts of faith.

Sounds like a good post for the Proposed Rules sub-forum.

I shall own two of these! Lol.

Taikishi wrote:
1. You asked a question, I gave you an answer as to how

Yeah, the same answer I always get whenever this comes up. An expensive wargear rack with Initiative 3 and nothing much going for it. The way a Sisters special rule affects their CC is irrelevant because they're just so bad at it.

2. Your costs are off. It's 400 points in an Immo, 415 in a Repressor; the standard bearer and the Hospitaller can't take extra equipment. Drop the pistols and you're down to 355/370 depending on transport of choice.

My point still stands, I think. There isn't 350pts of quality in that unit. It neither hits hard enough nor tanks hard enough to cost that much.

Related note, Immolators are back up on GW's website and available for pre order:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Sisters-of-Battle-Immolator-2016

In this Repressor i have a squad of doms with 4 meltas and canoness Veridyan. In this repressor I have a squad of doms with 4 meltas and Veridyan, and over here in my bastion I have Veridyan with some retributors.

 deviantduck wrote:
In this Repressor i have a squad of doms with 4 meltas and canoness Veridyan. In this repressor I have a squad of doms with 4 meltas and Veridyan, and over here in my bastion I have Veridyan with some retributors.

Yup.

Canoness Veridyan is rumored to have many identical twins...