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They're gona make anything crazy strong. Most likely wolf wolves.

I've been building a Sisters + Deathcompany detachment since Angel's Blade came out... Celestine and her Sisters along with Death Company.
I'm not saying that it's the best, just saying how I'm planning on using it.

Oberron wrote:
Over on faeit they have spoiler for each of the models. here is celestines if it is true

Spoiler:

If that is accurate and not a very elaborate hoax, The st and her two pets are going to be awesome and make seraphim crazy strong pretty much adding in two superiors

It's true and it was posted on B&C and dakka way before Natfka.

Is the saint pretty much auto include now?

Also the new formation that gives army wide hatred......and if you max it out you get army wide zealot.....

That may be my new hotness.

 sfshilo wrote:
Is the saint pretty much auto include now?

Also the new formation that gives army wide hatred......and if you max it out you get army wide zealot.....

That may be my new hotness.

You can't max it out with anything good at 1850.

I'm just hyped about an Eternal Warrior Wolflord. It's no Saga of the Bear, but it's darn close.

Waaaghpower wrote:
I'm just hyped about an Eternal Warrior Wolflord. It's no Saga of the Bear, but it's darn close.

Yeah, that one is pretty amusing.


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Castellans:

StC - 200
Min Priest - 25
BSS with F/HF in Immo - 135
BSS with F/HF in Immo - 135
BSS with F/HF in Immo - 135
BSS with F/HF in Immo - 135
Dom with 4 Melta in Rep - 180
Dom with 4 Melta in Rep - 180
Exo - 125
Exo - 125
Exo - 125
Iron Hands Command Squad with Bikes, Apoth, 3 SS, 3 Grav - 195
Iron Hands Captain on Bike with SS and Blade of the Worthy - 155

Basically, a sisters list with a mini-deathstar of Celestine (with 5+ FNP) and then the IH command with 4+ FNP. You could swap out the Blade/SS for Gorgon's Chain but then lose some offensive hitting power.


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Hmm. I'm unsure about Castellans right now. I was initially bullish, but I'm not sure the respawn and hatred is great for a mostly sisters list.


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Castellans
StC - 200
Coteaz - 100
Tac squad (Raven) with Melta in Drop Pod - 115
Tac squad (Raven) with Melta in Drop Pod - 115
Tac squad (Raven) with Melta in Drop Pod - 115
Tac squad (Raven) with Melta in Drop Pod - 115
Dominions with 4 Melta in Rep - 180
Dominions with 4 Melta in Rep - 180
Exorcist - 125
Exorcist - 125
Exorcist - 125
Cent Dev (3) with Grav and Omni - 250
Libby with Hunter's Eye - 85
1830

All the non-vehicle get ObSec from Cot. Put Cot and StC with Libby in Cent Dev.

You don't have any delivery system for the Cents ? Or is a pod included inthe 250pts ?

I thought Coteaz was making everybody obsec in his Inq detachmen only. If he can indeed make people obsec in a Castellans, then this is THE key.

 RabbitMaster wrote:
You don't have any delivery system for the Cents ? Or is a pod included inthe 250pts ?

I thought Coteaz was making everybody obsec in his Inq detachmen only. If he can indeed make people obsec in a Castellans, then this is THE key.

The plan was to walk them and create a no-go zone with Celestine. It works for all non-vehicle units in his detachment.

I really think the pod should be there, it gives more options to the Cents.

Speaking of the SM troops, is the free Apothecary-sarge still a thing for the Red Scorpions ? Because if yes, then that bunch of 5-man squad with 3+ armor, FNP (that can be improved by Celestine for one turn) and that can come back. Decently sticky unit.

 RabbitMaster wrote:
I really think the pod should be there, it gives more options to the Cents.

Speaking of the SM troops, is the free Apothecary-sarge still a thing for the Red Scorpions ? Because if yes, then that bunch of 5-man squad with 3+ armor, FNP (that can be improved by Celestine for one turn) and that can come back. Decently sticky unit.

You could fit it in pretty easy.

 pretre wrote:

 RabbitMaster wrote:
I really think the pod should be there, it gives more options to the Cents.

Speaking of the SM troops, is the free Apothecary-sarge still a thing for the Red Scorpions ? Because if yes, then that bunch of 5-man squad with 3+ armor, FNP (that can be improved by Celestine for one turn) and that can come back. Decently sticky unit.

You could fit it in pretty easy.

Just remember that every space marine in a detachment has to be the same CT. So if you want IH you need IH throughout.

My idea was(Assuming Coteaz doesn't give the whole thing Obsec)

Celestine 200
2x BSS HF/F MM Immo 270
2xDomi 4Melta MM Immo DB 340
1xExorcist 125
1xIH Chapter Master(Since CM is an upgrade on captain not a unit entry) Gorgon's PF 240
1x IH Command Squad Bikes, Apoc, Company champion with either axe(Maybe relic? Depends I guess)3xgrav 3x SS(1 on Apoc) 240
2x IH Scout Squads 110

Libcon with 3xlvl 2 libbies on bikes

Some of the points don't work out perfectly but I'd still have time to refine. Would still be Sisters primary. A thought is to drop the libcon for more grav, droppoding devs with Celestine's relentless would be awesome.

It's pretty clear Coteaz does give his whole Detachment obsec.

Yeah and it is absolutely the way to go IMHO. Having that many obsec unit is really formidable for us.

For the fun of it, if I understand how things work based on C:SM via BattleScribe:

Salamanders + Guard and/or Sisters + as many melta weapons as you can get. Take Vulkan He'stan as your captain HQ choice, make him your warlord. Now every melta-weapon in your detachment has twin-linked.

Taikishi wrote:
For the fun of it, if I understand how things work based on C:SM via BattleScribe:

Salamanders + Guard and/or Sisters + as many melta weapons as you can get. Take Vulkan He'stan as your captain HQ choice, make him your warlord. Now every melta-weapon in your detachment has twin-linked.

Vulkan isn't an option for Castellan's.

That's an interesting one.
[Edit] nevermind... no Unique outside of the few named.

Damn GW really opened another Pandora's box with those multi-faction detachments....

It really isn't that bad:



There are set units that can join. Vulkan (and a lot of others) aren't in it.

 pretre wrote:

Taikishi wrote:
For the fun of it, if I understand how things work based on C:SM via BattleScribe:

Salamanders + Guard and/or Sisters + as many melta weapons as you can get. Take Vulkan He'stan as your captain HQ choice, make him your warlord. Now every melta-weapon in your detachment has twin-linked.

Vulkan isn't an option for Castellan's.

Bear in mind that as I say this I don't have a copy of C:SM so all of my information comes from BattleScribe + what I can find online about the formations themselves but from what I can tell, almost no named ICs are listed as options in any of the C:SM formations and yet BS lets you take the non-FW ones. Only 10th Company, Saint Tylus, Spear of Sicarius and Shadow Force Solaq are the only formations that specifically state Special Characters among them yet BSc lets you take named ICs in the following formations:

* Librarius Conclave lets you take Tigurius
* Reclusiam lets you take Grimaldus or Cassius
* 1st Company Hammerfall lets you take Lysander
* Strike Force Ultra lets you take Lysander
* Ultramarines 1st Company lets you take Centos
* Stormlance lets you take Grimaldus, Shrike, He'stan, Sicarius, Centos, Cassius or Kor'Sarro
* Pinion Battle Demi-Company also lets you take Grimaldus, Shrike, He'stan, Sicarius, Centos, Cassius or Kor'Sarro
* Hunting Force lets you take Kor'Sarro or Centos
* Bladewing Assault lets you take Shrike
* Shadow Force lets you take He'stan, Shrike, Kor'Sarro, Sicarius, Centos, Helbrecht or Pedro Kantor

So if these characters qualify for all of these formations yet aren't explicitly listed on them, why don't they qualify for this one? Also, Veridyan isn't explicitly listed but her rules state she can be included in any Detachment or Formation that can include a canoness.

Taikishi wrote:
Bear in mind that as I say this I don't have a copy of C:SM so all of my information comes from BattleScribe + what I can find online about the formations themselves but from what I can tell, almost no named ICs are listed as options in any of the C:SM formations and yet BS lets you take the non-FW ones. Only 10th Company, Saint Tylus, Spear of Sicarius and Shadow Force Solaq are the only formations that specifically state Special Characters among them yet BSc lets you take named ICs in the following formations:

* Librarius Conclave lets you take Tigurius
* Reclusiam lets you take Grimaldus or Cassius
* 1st Company Hammerfall lets you take Lysander
* Strike Force Ultra lets you take Lysander
* Ultramarines 1st Company lets you take Centos
* Stormlance lets you take Grimaldus, Shrike, He'stan, Sicarius, Centos, Cassius or Kor'Sarro
* Pinion Battle Demi-Company also lets you take Grimaldus, Shrike, He'stan, Sicarius, Centos, Cassius or Kor'Sarro
* Hunting Force lets you take Kor'Sarro or Centos
* Bladewing Assault lets you take Shrike
* Shadow Force lets you take He'stan, Shrike, Kor'Sarro, Sicarius, Centos, Helbrecht or Pedro Kantor

So if these characters qualify for all of these formations yet aren't explicitly listed on them, why don't they qualify for this one? Also, Veridyan isn't explicitly listed but her rules state she can be included in any Detachment or Formation that can include a canoness.

You're kind of wrong on all levels here. You should check the actual books and not the online versions. For example:

Libby Conclave specifically lists Tiggy
Reclusiam lists Cassius
etc so on.

If the character isn't specifically listed, they can't be taken. Also, Veridyan has a very specific exception that says she can be taken "Can be included as part of any detachment or formation that can include a canoness..."

So I'm thinking of doing this for a core:

Celestine
Coteaz
Someone with hunter's eye
3x 5 scouts, land speeder storm, combi-grav
3x melta dominions
Grav cents
FA Pod

I'll have to point it out at home later, but it makes for a nasty alpha strike with seize protection.

PanzerLeader wrote:
So I'm thinking of doing this for a core:

Celestine
Coteaz
Someone with hunter's eye
3x 5 scouts, land speeder storm, combi-grav
3x melta dominions
Grav cents
FA Pod

I'll have to point it out at home later, but it makes for a nasty alpha strike with seize protection.

Yep. I posted something similar up top.

I'm also excited because I converted my Coteaz to Courtneaz, and I have her riding atop a giant 2 headed cardinal... and i've played 1 game with her.

 deviantduck wrote:
I'm also excited because I converted my Coteaz to Courtneaz, and I have her riding atop a giant 2 headed cardinal... and i've played 1 game with her.

I know this is the Sisters thread, but pics!!

I'll take some tonight. I think it's literally covered in dust.

I have a converted Fabius Bile that I used for all my inquisitors. Magnetized his hands to swap out loadouts.

Heck yeah! Looking forward to pics

I'm using the good old Kyrinov for Coteaz. Instead of a psyber-eagle, he's shooting the Emperor's preach from his tome, and has a big mace.

 RabbitMaster wrote:
I'm using the good old Kyrinov for Coteaz. Instead of a psyber-eagle, he's shooting the Emperor's preach from his tome, and has a big mace.

Nice.

Question:
How does all of this interact, faction-wise? If it's all being taken as a single detachment, how is that going to change the way that tanks and battle brothers work? (Is this just a continuation of the IA argument?)