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**pretre**

Mavnas wrote:
Of course the benefit of having Celestine be warlord is that she's hard to remove.

There's that as well. It is fun to make people weep trying to take her down.

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ERJAK wrote:
How are they obsec? I don't see Coteaz listed. Secondly I'd suggest droping some points 10pts in the hench band or font of fury to grab a second troop immolator, with the detachment bonuses immolators are incredibly superior to rhinos.

Also, I always have a generic character be warlord so I can Master of Ambush my dominions in turn 1.

Okay, so I have 5 points to play with. I would need 20 to swap to an Immo. I could drop the two plasmaguns from the Hench squad, but I like the density of plasma there. Still, that's a spot. Other than that, the only real places to get points are to drop Meltas down to flamers in the BSS or drop the Priest entirely. It is gimmicky to have the Font, but it is also amusing. Also, I'm not a big fan of taking a chance on Master of Ambush, in case I don't get it. It's one of those nice things if you can. I could make the priest warlord (and get two rolls to get it) or I could drop the priest and take an inquisitor (either in formation as an inq rep). Hmm. I can also always drop the Chimera, but that leaves Coteaz with his junk in the breeze. I certainly miss the formation slot at times like that.

Spoiler:

**Anpu-adom**

ERJAK wrote:
pretre wrote:
Coteaz is in there. I mustn't have pasted it.

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Fixed it. I could make the priest warlord if I really wanted to. The faith bubble is more important to me though.

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Too bad you can't take Lias in a Castellans.

I always stick a laud hailer on one of the domi vehicles for that purpose, gives me more freedom for where Celestine can go without gimping the dominions.

I know that the Reroll is mathematically better with the Dominions, but I like going with the Vet Superior instead. That way if the transport gets blown up, I still have a higher leadership I can rely on.

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pretre wrote:
Mavnas wrote:
Of course the benefit of having Celestine be warlord is that she's hard to remove.

There's that as well. It is fun to make people weep trying to take her down.

Spoiler:

Celestine - 200
Ministorum Priest with Font of Fury - 35 (with Rets)
5 BSS with Melta/Flamer in Immo - 135
5 BSS with Melta/Flamer in Rhino - 115
5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
5 Rets with 4 Heavy Flamers in Repressor - 175
Coteaz - 100
Inquisitorial Henchman Band with 2 Acolytes with Plasma, 3 Acolytes, 2 Servitors with Plasma in Chimera with Psybolt - 140
Exorcist - 125
5 Scouts with BP/Bolter - 55
5 Scouts with 3 Bolter/BP, 1 BP/CCW, 2 Shotgun/BP - 55
1495

GW is making my wallet weap... that and my lack of time to actually paint anyting in the middle of basketball season.
If I'm taking Coteaz and a henchmen squad, I'd want a pair of Jakero Weaponsmiths with him. Granted, its 70 points, but it is 70 points of Obliterator shooting. Add that, and drop the Chimera. Use them to hold your middle objecive.

**Voldrak**

Here are two interesting question. Could be for made da call, but I figured I would ask the sister players first.

Do Geminae's have Martyrdom along Celestine or is that only her?

Now, furthermore, what happens if you make a geminae your warlord. Do they still award "Slay the Warlord" if they get resurrected by Celestine? They could technically not be dead at the end of the game.

If Martyrdom applies to them, it would also mean that could could effectively get automatic acts of faiths several times as she dies and gets revived.

**ERJAK**

Anpu-adom wrote:
ERJAK wrote:
pretre wrote:
Coteaz is in there. I mustn't have pasted it.

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Fixed it. I could make the priest warlord if I really wanted to. The faith bubble is more important to me though.

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Too bad you can't take Lias in a Castellans.

I always stick a laud hailer on one of the domi vehicles for that purpose, gives me more freedom for where Celestine can go without gimping the dominions.

I know that the Reroll is mathematically better with the Dominions, but I like going with the Vet Superior instead. That way if the transport gets blown up, I still have a higher leadership I can rely on.

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pretre wrote:
Mavnas wrote:
Of course the benefit of having Celestine be warlord is that she's hard to remove.

There's that as well. It is fun to make people weep trying to take her down.

Spoiler:

Celestine - 200
Ministorum Priest with Font of Fury - 35 (with Rets)
5 BSS with Melta/Flamer in Immo - 135
5 BSS with Melta/Flamer in Rhino - 115
5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
5 Rets with 4 Heavy Flamers in Repressor - 175
Coteaz - 100
Inquisitorial Henchman Band with 2 Acolytes with Plasma, 3 Acolytes, 2 Servitors with Plasma in Chimera with Psybolt - 140
Exorcist - 125
5 Scouts with BP/Bolter - 55
5 Scouts with 3 Bolter/BP, 1 BP/CCW, 2 Shotgun/BP - 55
1495

GW is making my wallet weap... that and my lack of time to actually paint anyting in the middle of basketball season.
If I'm taking Coteaz and a henchmen squad, I'd want a pair of Jakero Weaponsmiths with him. Granted, its 70 points, but it is 70 points of Obliterator shooting. Add that, and drop the Chimera. Use them to hold your middle objecive.

I HATE the veteran sergeant upgrade for both sisters and space marines. +1 leadership is so seldomly useful, even including AoF that paying 10pts for it is just...ugh. I understand helping sisters stay in the fight for longer or w/e but I always assume that if a unit of sisters get targeted it's going to die, and I build my lists around that fact.

This is why I don't like repressors much, I don't see the vehicles as a wrapper for the sisters, I see them as their own thing that can function just fine on their own, and immolators do that much better than repressors.

**pretre**

Anpu-adom wrote:
GW is making my wallet weap... that and my lack of time to actually paint anyting in the middle of basketball season.
If I'm taking Coteaz and a henchmen squad, I'd want a pair of Jakero Weaponsmiths with him. Granted, its 70 points, but it is 70 points of Obliterator shooting. Add that, and drop the Chimera. Use them to hold your middle objecive.

Then they are sitting with their butts out in the open. I want Jokers, but I don't know if I want them that much.

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Voldrak wrote:
Do Geminae's have Martyrdom along Celestine or is that only her?

I'd need to see the actual book. The one from the box doesn't indicate.

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ERJAK wrote:
This is why I don't like repressors much, I don't see the vehicles as a wrapper for the sisters, I see them as their own thing that can function just fine on their own, and immolators do that much better than repressors.

But I have a ton of melta. More heavy flamers are harder.. wait I have a lot of those too. Dammit. My main thing with repressors is to keep people alive. The fire points really sell it.

**Oberron**

Voldrak wrote:
Here are two interesting question. Could be for made da call, but I figured I would ask the sister players first.

Do Geminae's have Martyrdom along Celestine or is that only her?

Now, furthermore, what happens if you make a geminae your warlord. Do they still award "Slay the Warlord" if they get resurrected by Celestine? They could technically not be dead at the end of the game.

If Martyrdom applies to them, it would also mean that could could effectively get automatic acts of faiths several times as she dies and gets revived.

according to the book....... none of them, not even st celestine herself as listed anyway even though the rule text is there.

HIWP just Celestine

**Mavnas**

I once wanted to build an army of repressors, exorcists and a knight to present an AV 13 wall, but I just don't want to paint that many new vehicles.

**pretre**

I did it a while back. It was fun as heck.

**Oberron**

I really wanna make a list with 6 exorcist with the Cellestan detachment. What would be good to back them upp/make them stronger? I know the new cannoness is an option but with anything outside of SOB I'm lost with the imperiam, to many choices that I get confused. A techmarine looks good to help out exorcist but other than that What else would compliment the range firepower? Bikes for speed and harassment units? easy bake oven sisters? Dominions?

Also as a side note what are the best elite options from castellans? Lets say best for melee and/or best for mid-range shooting.

**Mavnas**

Oberron wrote:
I really wanna make a list with 6 exorcist with the Cellestan detachment. What would be good to back them upp/make them stronger? I know the new cannoness is an option but with anything outside of SOB I'm lost with the imperiam, to many choices that I get confused. A techmarine looks good to help out exorcist but other than that What else would compliment the range firepower? Bikes for speed and harassment units? easy bake oven sisters? Dominions?

Also as a side note what are the best elite options from castellans? Lets say best for melee and/or best for mid-range shooting.

Probably take fewer of them and swap some of them out for Wyverns which are better vs. hordes or things in cover/out of LoS then some sort of blob to add a priest to and put between them and the enemy.

**Waaaghpower**

The new Canonness isn't an option, BTW. She isn't mentioned by name in the Castellans detachment.

As was said above, taking 6 Exorcists is probably a bad idea. It's 810 points without any Storm Bolters to soak up Weapon Destroyed, so even in a 2k game that's nearly half your army invested, and it only deals with a few specific subsets of enemies.

If you're GOING TO take it, though, you're going to want some things.
Belisarius Cawl and some other models with Canticles will be a good idea. Dropping a 4+ Invuln, trebbled IWND, or +3 BS is going to multiply them considerably.

Blobs to screen against assault and provide cover are also vital. Exorcists absolutely melt against CC due to their low rear armor, so you really don't want them being charged.

On a related note, bringing some flamers is going to be important. You're investing half your army in something that can't scratch Hordes. You're going to need to cover that hold somehow. So yeah, Easy Bake Oven sisters should do it.

**Mavnas**

Waaaghpower wrote:
The new Canonness isn't an option, BTW. She isn't mentioned by name in the Castellans detachment.

I believe her rules say that she can be taken in any detachment that can take a cannonness. (Unlike other named characters who are occasionally mentioned by the formations/detachments.)

Actually, somewhat related question: Does her rule benefit units that contain some Sisters ICs? I was looking through the FAQ for anything about multi-faction unit, but it only mentions them as counting as all factions when being targeted by enemies with specific preferred enemy or hatred rules not in general. Seems like she'd be quite powerful if she did. Actually, she'd still be quite powerful in a battle conclave allowing DCAs to cut past the tanky parts of a unit (assuming there are some).

**pretre**

Mavnas is correct. She can be taken instead of a normal canoness in Castellans.

Re: 6 Exorcists. I just think that may be too much of a good thing. They aren't quite as points efficient as they used to be. That being said, anything that is going to give them rerolls is nice. So Psykers with prescience. Cawl is a great idea.

Re: Veridyan. I'd say no on mixed units.

Lastly, Jokaeros: Did anyone notice they got buffed? The 6+ is now 'pick two' not 'roll two more times'

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For ERJAK:

I'm thinking maybe swapping around a bit and doing this:

Celestine - 200
Ministorum Priest with Font of Fury - 35 (with Rets)
5 BSS with Melta/Flamer in Immo - 135
5 BSS with Flamer/Flamer in Immo - 130
5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
5 Rets with 4 Heavy Flamers in Repressor - 175
Coteaz - 100
Inquisitorial Henchman Band with 2 Jokaero, 3 Acolytes, 2 Servitors with Plasma - 130
Exorcist - 125
5 Scouts with BP/Bolter - 55
5 Scouts with 3 Bolter/BP, 1 BP/CCW, 2 Shotgun/BP - 55
1500

I could also hot swap the Priest for a Inquisitorial Representative (free Warlord Trait) with Hereticus and 3 Skulls.

**Waaaghpower**

pretre wrote:
Mavnas is correct. She can be taken instead of a normal canoness in Castellans.

Re: 6 Exorcists. I just think that may be too much of a good thing. They aren't quite as points efficient as they used to be. That being said, anything that is going to give them rerolls is nice. So Psykers with prescience. Cawl is a great idea.

Re: Veridyan. I'd say no on mixed units.

Lastly, Jokaeros: Did anyone notice they got buffed? The 6+ is now 'pick two' not 'roll two more times'

Yeah. Taking 5 Jokaeros in a squad with 10 PA Acolytes now gets you Acolytes in termie armor.

**pretre**

Waaaghpower wrote:
Yeah. Taking 5 Jokaeros in a squad with 10 PA Acolytes now gets you Acolytes in termie armor.

Yeah, but that's kind of stupid expensive.

**Mavnas**

pretre wrote:
Waaaghpower wrote:
Yeah. Taking 5 Jokaeros in a squad with 10 PA Acolytes now gets you Acolytes in termie armor.

Yeah, but that's kind of stupid expensive.

Yeah, if you take enough Jokaeros to guarantee the 6 (which is 6, not 5, since the first doesn't give you a +1 on the roll), you're paying 210 points for 6 lascannons/multi-meltas. You have an expensive, immobile, BS3 unit that wants to shoot for the most part. I'm not saying it can't work, but the acolytes will probably be mostly there to soak up hits. I did consider the benefits of 36" multi-meltas or say 6 rending heavy flamers that are just always rending coupled with 12 rending stormbolters. It could work, but careful thought needs to be given to it given its high points cost, low BS, and heavy weaponry.

**Waaaghpower**

pretre wrote:
Waaaghpower wrote:
Yeah. Taking 5 Jokaeros in a squad with 10 PA Acolytes now gets you Acolytes in termie armor.

Yeah, but that's kind of stupid expensive.

Yeah, but it's funny, innit? To make it more competitive, attach an Inquisitor with Prescience for better accuracy and 3 more 2+5++ wounds.

**pretre**

Too bad you can't get the new Jokaero rules in a Castellans. Castellans only allows Inq Warbands from C:I.

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Okay, I moved my list noodling to its own thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/715139.page

Although, I'm glad my angst got quite a bit of discussion going here.

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So funny story. Celestine's blessing doesn't say 'Friendly' in it. It affects all armies of the imperium in range, even if they are your opponent:

"Saint Celestine can bestow a Saintly Blessing at the start
of each of your turns. A Saintly Blessing affects all non-
vehicle units from the Armies of the Imperium that have
the Battlefield Role associated with that blessing, and are
within 12" of Saint Celestine when it is activated. Each
Saintly Blessing can only be activated once during the
course of each battle. Independent Characters that have
joined units that are affected by a Saintly Blessing are also
affected so long as they remain in the unit.
"

**Mavnas**

I just remembered that Vanguard Veterans can get cheap power weapons and jump packs. 270 points for 10 jump infantry with power weapons. Maybe they could be Celestine's squad? They're not T5 like bikers though.

**pretre**

Bikers every time over VV.

**heracyangel**

Yesterday I tested out Celestine and the new Castellans formation and i have to say i was rather impressed. I played a Space wolf player with am all drop pod army focused on hitting hard and fast.

My list:

Celestine
Coteaz
Space Marine Command Squad (Storm Sheilds, Bikes, Grav guns)
4 Sister squads (2 with F/HF, 2 with F/F) two of the squads in repressors
Grav Centurions
2 Dominion squads in Immolators
2 Exorcists

(1850 on the dot)

I put Celestine with the command squad Coteaz with the Cents and put them up front. Arranged my units so that the Exorcists were behind them, Meltas were to the outside of the other units. THe Wolves were terrified of "I was expecting you" so it completely threw off his game. He landed most of his units inpretty terrible places to avoid the grav shots. Only to isntead eat tons of melta or to have Celestine and friends hack through them.

Exoricists and Dominions did alot of the work, the Cents and Celestine/Friends soaked up most of the damage and most of the attention which helped. Even had Celestine kill a dread and a few pods with her new Armor Bane ability which is awesome.

**pretre**

Nicely done!

**Taikishi**

Mavnas wrote:
Waaaghpower wrote:
The new Canonness isn't an option, BTW. She isn't mentioned by name in the Castellans detachment.

I believe her rules say that she can be taken in any detachment that can take a cannonness. (Unlike other named characters who are occasionally mentioned by the formations/detachments.)

Actually, somewhat related question: Does her rule benefit units that contain some Sisters ICs? I was looking through the FAQ for anything about multi-faction unit, but it only mentions them as counting as all factions when being targeted by enemies with specific preferred enemy or hatred rules not in general. Seems like she'd be quite powerful if she did. Actually, she'd still be quite powerful in a battle conclave allowing DCAs to cut past the tanky parts of a unit (assuming there are some).

I also want to add to this and say that some of the Badab War characters are also permissible choices per the wording on their PDF plus responses from ForgeWorld on the matter. Also, Repressors can be taken by C:IA Sororitas units, including a Hereticus Warband that includes a unit of Battle Sisters.

Relevant Badab War text:

Each character in this update has been assigned the appropriate Chapter Tactics and, as with the special characters presented in Codex: Space Marines, may be included as part of any detachment with the same Chapter Tactic. Where characters from a named Chapter have the Chapter Tactic of another Chapter (for example, Vaylund Cal of the Sons of Medusa, who has Chapter Tactics (Iron Hands)), they may be taken as part of a detachment representing a different Chapter that has the same Chapter Tactic (for example, Vaylund Cal could be selected as part of an Iron Hands detachment), but are assumed to be that Chapter’s ‘version’ of that character. This does not affect the unique nature of these characters and only one of each may be included in any army.

So as long as you take, say, Chapter Tactics: Raptors, you can take Lias Issodon as long as the detachment includes the ability to take Chapter Masters.

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On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:24 PM GMT, *email redacted* wrote:

1. With the release of Codex: Imperial Agents, if an Adepta Sororitas player chooses to use Codex: Imperial Agents to form their army instead of Codex: Adepta Sororitas, may that player take Repressors as dedicated transports for their units?

2. May a player who takes an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor, or Inquisitor Karamazov, for their Inquisitorial Henchman Warband that also takes a squad of Battle Sisters take a Repressor as a dedicated transport for the unit?

3. With the release of Fall of Cadia and the Castellans of the Imperium detachment, can special characters from the Badab War be included in this detachment?

Relevant text for question:
"Each character in this update has been assigned the appropriate Chapter Tactics and, as with the special characters presented in Codex: Space Marines, may be included as part of any detachment with the same Chapter Tactic."

For example, the formation lists Librarian as an allowed HQ choice. Could Magister Sevrin Loth be taken as a Librarian in this formation if the detachment uses the Red Scorpions Chapter Tactic?

Thank you in advance,

**Anpu-adom**

Nice...
I'm guessing that it would be a stretch too far for something like a Chapter Tactic to spread across an entire army.
For example, you take the Raptors Chapter tactic in a Castellans Detachment, and 'models in this detachment gain Scout. In addition, models in this detachment have Stealth on he first turn of the game."
Stealthed and Scouting BSS in Rhinos to go with my already scouting Dominions? Sure!

**pretre**

Wait, what?

Holy crap.

**Anpu-adom**

The old, Forgeworld Chapter tactics relate to the whole detachment... not to models that have the "Chapter Tactics" special rule. The new chapter tactics are clear on that.
Maybe it isn't an option. The Raptors tactics say, "As per the Raven Guard...." one could argue that you use the most current version of the Raven Guard tactics rather than those printed in the PDF.

Had my hopes up, and now they are dashed a bit.

**pretre**

I checked. A bunch of them say 'Any model with Chapter Tactics (this FW Chapter' others say 'All models in this detachment'. Very funny.

**Taikishi**

Most of the Chapter Tactics have been updated in the PDF to say " Models with Chapter Tactics (Red Scorpions)" or "All units with Chapter Tactics (Carcharodons) ". The only ones that specify the detachment are:

Raptors (Strike From the Shadows)
Mantis Warriors (Shadow Killers)
Angels Revenant (To the Last Breath)
Star Phantoms (Orbital Wave Attack)

I've also seen mentioned somewhere that ForgeWorld has stated their "dreadnaughts" count as Dreadnaughts for purposes of formations so if you want to take a Deredeo or Leviathan... or one of the FW Special Character dreads... you can. But I'll be damned if I can find it anymore.

**RabbitMaster**

Okay so I've been playing with my sisters and 2 knights for a while, but recently I became more and more frustrated with those knights (too fragile, not reliable enough). I did had some success with them, and maybe it's just my current streak of bad luck talking, but for the LVO I am looking into possible alternatives. I sketched a list I am happy with that leaves room for whatever allies. Obvious choices are SW or IH command, but do they fit nicely in ~600pts ?

Pretre I know you have ton of experience with the SW part, how costly do they need to be to function ?
Anyone tried out the IH FNP command bikers ? I feel they have less punch and less tankiness than the SW, but they probably cost less overall.

**pretre**

RabbitMaster wrote:
Pretre I know you have ton of experience with the SW part, how costly do they need to be to function ?
Anyone tried out the IH FNP command bikers ? I feel they have less punch and less tankiness than the SW, but they probably cost less overall.

600 Points? That's gravy.

WGBL with PF/SS on TWM - 140
Elite Iron Priest on TWM with 4 Cyberwolves - 165
Elite Iron Priest on TWM - 105
5 Wulfen with SFAL, GFA, TH/SS - 180
That's 590. Throw Celestine in there and you have Hilarity. According to the new FAQ, the Wulfen wouldn't get run and charge, but your WGBL and Iron Priests would get the effect of Wulfen bubble.

On the other hand, you could do IH:
Chapter Master on Bike with Thunder Hammer/Gorgon's Chain - 225
Chaplain on Bike - 110
5 Command Squad on Bikes with 3 Grav, 2 Storm Shield, Company Champ and Apoth - 220
Scouts - 55
610 Points