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 pretre wrote:
Doubling down?

Vestal only requires AS faction:



So you are still incorrect.

And Faction is a defined term from the rules. Units in different books can be the same faction. For example: AS is a faction the exists in two books.


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Mavnas wrote:
Are TWC with Hammers or fists the only source of lots of S10 attacks? I know some ICs can get them, but the points per attack ratio is higher.

S10 is of course useful for breaking FNP on T5.

Twc and wulfen are my favorite (and the cheapest).

Im not wrong. the Vestal requires AS FACTION...and all those units are i nthat faction. but as the book tells you earlier, the FORMATION is there along wit hthe units that can be included in it.

So the Formation requires that they have the Adepta Sororitas Faction, but that does not expand the Formation to allow things other than the units listed FOR the Formation anymore than the Grey Knight section REPLACES the grey Knight codex. it doesn't.

 Jancoran wrote:
Twc and wulfen are my favorite (and the cheapest).

Im not wrong. the Vestal requires AS FACTION...and all those units are i nthat faction. but as the book tells you earlier, the FORMATION is there along wit hthe units that can be included in it.

So the Formation requires that they have the Adepta Sororitas Faction, but that does not expand the Formation to allow things other than the units listed FOR the Formation anymore than the Grey Knight section REPLACES the grey Knight codex. it doesn't.

So.. then there's no reason to ever run a CAD over a Vestal Task Force?

 deviantduck wrote:
So.. then there's no reason to ever run a CAD over a Vestal Task Force?

There's no reason to run a vestal when you can get obsec in the CAD. One turn of rerolling saves isn't worth giving that up. Secondly, if you don't mind Coteaz, there's no reason to run a CAD instead of Castellans.

 deviantduck wrote:
So.. then there's no reason to ever run a CAD over a Vestal Task Force?

Pretty much.

The Vestal is more taxes and less benefits. ObSec on each troops (including the transports) is just way superior than rerolling saves for a dozen or so sisters for one turn only.

And Castellans+Coteaz is probably always better than a CAD unless you're looking for specific allies that can't be part of it, or if you're playing at lower point levels.

Yes.
Castellans + Coteaz
CAD
Allied
Then Vestal (if for some reason you can't take a CAD or Allied)

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Yes.
Castellans + Coteaz
CAD
Allied
Then Vestal (if for some reason you can't take a CAD or Allied)

I forgot about ObSec.

CAD
Castellans + Coteaz
Double CAD
Allied
Vestal

I would put Castellans and Coteaz higher if you want normal marines, inquisition or guard as allies.
CAD is only higher if you want DA or SW as allies.
I don't see any reason for double cad anymore when you can take Castellans.

 pretre wrote:
I would put Castellans and Coteaz higher if you want normal marines, inquisition or guard as allies.
CAD is only higher if you want DA or SW as allies.
I don't see any reason for double cad anymore when you can take Castellans.

I agree with all of that. Everyday it gets harder to argue any type of FoC. It comes down to what models you want to bring, then figuring out the best way to bring them.

I'm still tweaking my LVO list. The rough skeleton is as follows:

CAD SoB
Celestine
Priest
BSS Rhino
BSS Foot
3x Dominions Repressors
Exorcist

CotGW
Battle Leader
Iron Priest
Servitor
4x Thundercav

Librarius Conclave
3x Biker Librarians

Nice! I like the looks of that. (I should since I run very similar stuff!)

Anyone have any luck against an ork list with a big mek stompa? I'm 0/5.

 deviantduck wrote:
Anyone have any luck against an ork list with a big mek stompa? I'm 0/5.

TWC should be able to handle it, if you have enough fists / iron priests. I blew one up in two rounds of hand to hand.

I can never get fists/priests to them in time. If i go first they deploy as far away as possible and if they go first they use the double pie plate and str10 out all my wolves. I honestly think i have more trouble against stompa orks than any other faction.

LOS shenanigans and Storm shields should weather most of it, but yes, mass s10 is a pain.

Ah, I'd overlooked the ability to pay the tax for CotGW with servitors.

 deviantduck wrote:

I'm still tweaking my LVO list. The rough skeleton is as follows:

CAD SoB
Celestine
Priest
BSS Rhino
BSS Foot
3x Dominions Repressors
Exorcist

CotGW
Battle Leader
Iron Priest
Servitor
4x Thundercav

Librarius Conclave
3x Biker Librarians

Looks pretty strong as far as Sister armies goes !

We're not the best to deal with superheavy anyway (except IK maybe if we can get enough melta in close range and they don't have crazy psychic support). But yeah, no better answer than what Pretre said, use LoS and good 3++ rolls. If possible you cna also protect yourself by engaging a unit with not too many models (so you get stuck for his turn), then H'n'R away to get that stompa.

What are some good tactics for sisters against Genestealer cults?

Oberron wrote:
What are some good tactics for sisters against Genestealer cults?

Over kill every unit. We have many flamers, bolters , storm/heavy botlers, HF 's etc..

Stay in vehicles for deployment.

Ally in Servo skulls or bubble wrap.

I have a small ITC tournament coming up.Thinking of taking a Baronial Court with an ally detachment of Sisters.

I have 525 points to play with

Right now here is what i am thinking:

Celestine
BSS (5 Sisters, F/HF)
Serephim Squad (5 Sisters 2 x 2Hand Flamers)
Exorcist

Any suggestions?

I'm not sure what Sisters add to a Baronial Court. Seems like there are better allies for that kind of list.

 pretre wrote:
I'm not sure what Sisters add to a Baronial Court. Seems like there are better allies for that kind of list.

Im taking Celestine for 2 reasons 1) a good off tank harasser and 2) unlocks relics for the Baron to take the Desvalle’s Holy Circle

heracyangel wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'm not sure what Sisters add to a Baronial Court. Seems like there are better allies for that kind of list.

Im taking Celestine for 2 reasons 1) a good off tank harasser and 2) unlocks relics for the Baron to take the Desvalle’s Holy Circle

Ahh, gotcha! In that case, I see what you are getting at.


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In that case, I would probably drop the seraphim to get a ride for the BSS. Or, maybe crazy talk, drop the Seraphim and get a VSG.

So I was trying to think about what kind of unit I would run Coteaz in. Anyone have experience with TFCs? It seems like the could make a deep striking unit very sad unless said unit had a means of spreading out after placement.

Mavnas wrote:
So I was trying to think about what kind of unit I would run Coteaz in. Anyone have experience with TFCs? It seems like the could make a deep striking unit very sad unless said unit had a means of spreading out after placement.

That's not a bad one. Grav cents are a natural fit as well.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Oberron wrote:
What are some good tactics for sisters against Genestealer cults?

Over kill every unit. We have many flamers, bolters , storm/heavy botlers, HF 's etc..

Stay in vehicles for deployment.

I'm assuming priest would be great for warms and fearlessness too

 pretre wrote:
In that case, I would probably drop the seraphim to get a ride for the BSS. Or, maybe crazy talk, drop the Seraphim and get a VSG.

Mmmmh for the VSG wouldn't he need an additional troop as well ? There is no fortification slot in he allied detachment, and I don' think here is any in the baronnial court either.

So I was trying to think about what kind of unit I would run Coteaz in. Anyone have experience with TFCs? It seems like the could make a deep striking unit very sad unless said unit had a means of spreading out after placement.

My go-to unit is usually a henchmen unit with 3 plasma acolytes, 3 heavy weapon servitor (either multi-melta or plasma canon depending on my mood and points), one or two jokaero (praying for the magic +12" range) and a few ablative wounds (naked acolytes). TFC could work but i'd recommend a unit of at least 2 so that each free shooting "phase" is worth it.

However, in m experience Coteaz's 12" bubble is more a scarecow than anything. Most good armies that relies on dropping important units have one way or another to no scatter or reduce it significantly, and tend to deepstrike right on he edge of the bubble, avoiding any fire. Most of the time the only units I had the occasion to shoot were either unlucky drop pods wih a few marines inside. But even then, between cover, LoS blocking terrain, etc... Coteaz shooting was not always impactful.

 RabbitMaster wrote:

 pretre wrote:
In that case, I would probably drop the seraphim to get a ride for the BSS. Or, maybe crazy talk, drop the Seraphim and get a VSG.

Mmmmh for the VSG wouldn't he need an additional troop as well ? There is no fortification slot in he allied detachment, and I don' think here is any in the baronnial court either.

True, but I think by dropping the Seras you'd still have enough. Anyways, it's an oddball idea.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Oberron wrote:
What are some good tactics for sisters against Genestealer cults?

Over kill every unit. We have many flamers, bolters , storm/heavy botlers, HF 's etc..

Stay in vehicles for deployment.

Stay in vehicles yes, but mind your positioning. It is extremely easy for GSC units to charge, surround the transport and wreck it, killing the whole unit inside in the process. Always try to create some space were the GSC can't go when charging.

Otherwise, flamers are your BFF, try to always be within 6" of them so they can't disappear, and always, always destroy their units completely.

has anyone found any third party heads that doesn't look like garbage? I'm getting sick of throwing the immolator gunner head on every model.