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I'm thinking of modeling some Sisters into Chaos Chosen for a squad in my army, but I'm not sure if this would be fluffy or not any examples of sisters serving with chaos forces?

Short answer: No, it would not be fluffy.

Don't let that stop you from doing it if you really want to, though. They're your models, you bought them, and so you can customize them however you want.

Not by fluff genuinely, but there is in fact precedence for this. Sandy Mitchel's Ciaphias Cain has a very powerful psyker mind control an entire sisters convent and used them as his body guard, and im sure I read somewhere that a sister turned to slaanesh and became a powerful chaos lord(et?).

So, yeah, why not! Fluff be damned!

Sabathiel is not a Codex, or even studio, character. She appears in a third-party 40K CCG and a Dan Abnett story.

By Codex fluff, there are 0 Sisters of Battle-turned-Chaos. Black Library? Seems to happen all the damn time.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Sandy Mitchel's Ciaphias Cain has a very powerful psyker mind control an entire sisters convent and used them as his body guard

Mind control is not corruption, and a psyker is not necessarily a chaos worshiper. There is even a spell in the game to “control” a unit. The psyker in this story just had the chance that those Sisters didn't pass their Deny The Witch roll .

Yeah, it really depends on which fluff you look at.

Examples:
Codex - 0 examples, quote "utterly incorruptible"
Dark Millennium - 1 example (Miriael Sabathiel), special because she's an exception from the rule, quote "what a triumph for chaos, what a twisted champion"
Daemonifuge - an entire convent of Sisters being corrupted and turning against one another [image 1][image 2]

In short, as with many such details in 40k, it's a matter of opinion, preferences, and interpretation - similar like how you could, in theory, also have Chaos GKs (given that they are obviously not entirely immune according to the Bloodtide fluff in their own Codex), and yield a lot of different opinions from the fans for this.

My own opinion is that I don't like the idea of there being loads of Chaos Sisters, as it doesn't synch with the very image and theme of the army (purity and power of will), yet at the same time I like the idea of there being room for exceptions as I feel that a lack of absolutes just feels more realistic. As such, my own recommendation would be to not field an entire unit of these girls, but perhaps rather just a single one as a member of your HQ squad. I have seen this in someone's army many years ago and it looked awesome.
Why not even field Miriael herself? Her backstory as a Warlord of the Pyrus Reach is rather cool.

2x210 wrote:
I'm thinking of modeling some Sisters into Chaos Chosen for a squad in my army, but I'm not sure if this would be fluffy or not any examples of sisters serving with chaos forces?

It is as fluffy and original as female Space Marines, Chaos Tau and Chaos Grey Knights.

Lynata wrote:Yeah, it really depends on which fluff you look at.

Examples:
Codex - 0 examples, quote "utterly incorruptible"
Dark Millennium - 1 example (Miriael Sabathiel), special because she's an exception from the rule, quote "what a triumph for chaos, what a twisted champion"
Daemonifuge - an entire convent of Sisters being corrupted and turning against one another [image 1][image 2]

In short, as with many such details in 40k, it's a matter of opinion, preferences, and interpretation - similar like how you could, in theory, also have Chaos GKs (given that they are obviously not entirely immune according to the Bloodtide fluff in their own Codex), and yield a lot of different opinions from the fans for this.

My own opinion is that I don't like the idea of there being loads of Chaos Sisters, as it doesn't synch with the very image and theme of the army (purity and power of will), yet at the same time I like the idea of there being room for exceptions as I feel that a lack of absolutes just feels more realistic. As such, my own recommendation would be to not field an entire unit of these girls, but perhaps rather just a single one as a member of your HQ squad. I have seen this in someone's army many years ago and it looked awesome.
Why not even field Miriael herself? Her backstory as a Warlord of the Pyrus Reach is rather cool.

I like that idea of just having one Fallen Sister

Kroothawk wrote:

2x210 wrote:
I'm thinking of modeling some Sisters into Chaos Chosen for a squad in my army, but I'm not sure if this would be fluffy or not any examples of sisters serving with chaos forces?

It is as fluffy and original as female Space Marines, Chaos Tau and Chaos Grey Knights.

Ahhh it's not dakka without a thinly veiled insult, ohh no I'm
not being original in 40k, never in the history of this great game has an idea been repeated until I rode forth on my steed of ignorance thank you ohh wise forum member for showing me the error of my unoriginal fluff killing question.

He might be rude, but he's not incorrect.

In the end, though, it's your models and your money. Do as you will with it. It's just not a question that doesn't come up every couple weeks... along with Chaos Tau, Chaos GK, Fem-Marines... half-Eldar, half-Kroot Marines...

... I might have made the last one up. If I did, then *that's* original... and fluff-ignoring.

2x210 wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

2x210 wrote:
I'm thinking of modeling some Sisters into Chaos Chosen for a squad in my army, but I'm not sure if this would be fluffy or not any examples of sisters serving with chaos forces?

It is as fluffy and original as female Space Marines, Chaos Tau and Chaos Grey Knights.

Ahhh it's not dakka without a thinly veiled insult, ohh no I'm not being original in 40k, never in the history of this great game has an idea been repeated until I rode forth on my steed of ignorance thank you ohh wise forum member for showing me the error of my unoriginal fluff killing question.

You asked, then don't complain about a straight answer.
This forum is flooded with threads about Chaos Sisters (mostly boob themed), Chaos Grey Knights, Chaos Tau, and female Space Marines, rarely as finished armies but mostly as naughty ideas not worth realizing for that small kick.

 Kroothawk wrote:
This forum is flooded with threads about Chaos Sisters (mostly boob themed)

While a Khornate Sister character based on the Valkia model would be much more unusual and could potentially be very awesome !

I still think that a Chaos worshiper could very well take the armour of fallen sisters and equip their/her/its retinue with it - just to try and convince the followers of the Emperor that he has corrupted the uncorruptable.............

It would be far more effective psycologyically than say Chaos Gray Knights as thats just yet another fallen Astartes..........and virtually no one kows of their special qualities whereas pretty much the whole Imperium knows the purity of the Adepta Sororitas (now that Vandires dead )

Sounds like an awesome idea to me...But then again, I don't really like the idea of absolutes like an uncorruptable force, so that's just me.

Post some pictures or something when you're done, always like seeing things like that.

To be honest, only the Grey Knights are truly immune to Chaos corruption. Because they were made that way.

Sisters of Battle, though most having a strong will and blind faith, are still humans at heart. Humans can be corrupted by the Chaos Gods.

So, yeah, it's not that common, but a sister's mind can still have doubts or desires, and succumbs to chaotic temptations.

Besides, in codex: Grey Knights, the story about the Blood Tide says that only a part of the sisters managed to stay pure. It implies not all of them were able to do so.

Not really the same about Chaos Grey Knights, to be fair. About Chaos Tau...well...the Greater Good mainly comes from the Ethereal's influence. If they're not around anymore (or worse, one being corrupted), it's not so stupid sounding than it is. Remember Farsight?

Keep an open mind, that's from where Chaos will come in.

I suppose one could argue that they are not so much incorruptable but rather their souls are pledged to another Power in the Warp and hence already claimed

 Mr Morden wrote:
I suppose one could argue that they are not so much incorruptable but rather their souls are pledged to another Power in the Warp and hence already claimed

Which is a way to see this, but not covered by the official fluff at all.

Unless you see all Sisters of Battle as copies of Saint Celestine under disguise. That's not the case as well.

They are fanatic and overzealous, true, but they are still humans. Nothing like superhuman giants made with the Emperor's own DNA so that they can fight Chaos Demons.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I suppose one could argue that they are not so much incorruptable but rather their souls are pledged to another Power in the Warp and hence already claimed

That´s my take on it too.

I find Chaos Sisters unfluffy but really interesting for obvious reasons. They look cool if properly done: google "sisters of slaanesh" or have a look at the dakka dakka gallery.

By the way, the GK hasn´t fallen to chaos yet, just like sisters if you ignore Sabathiel. And Sisters are protected by the Emperor, all of them.

You could have a convent on a world cut off and 'submerged' by a warp storm for hundreds or even thousands of years. It will cut off the astronmican and potentially the emperors protection. Being exposed to the warp for that length of time would corrupt anyone (barring 'i'm better than everyone' lysander).
Bear in mind the galaxy is vast, too vast for the written fluff to cover everything. Plus being so vast increases the possibility of anything happening.

I don't see it as unfluffy. Anyone can fall to chaos IMO. What is said in a codex or anywhere else is not an absolute but the view of someone in universe.

SIsters are the macintoshes of the Imperium.

 Sarouan wrote:
Nothing like superhuman giants made with the Emperor's own DNA

Like the primarch ? I heard half of them went to chaos .

 da001 wrote:
google "sisters of slaanesh"

And THAT is the main problem with Chaos Sisters.
Nurgle Sisters ? Khorne Sisters ? Tzeentch Sisters ? For some oh so strange reason, nobody seems to have any interest in that. Slaanesh Sisters ? Of course, hurr durr durr, women are for sex lolol 1!11!
Well, last time I checked Sisters were much more violent bellicist than hedonistic artists. Are they not ?


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Hey, I may add that to my sig.

When you see how most of them react to heresy, I would rather think Khorne sisters wouldn't be so surprising.

Sarouan wrote:To be honest, only the Grey Knights are truly immune to Chaos corruption. Because they were made that way.

And yet we are told they need the blood of innocents to protect themselves against corruption in their very own Codex.

Sarouan wrote:Sisters of Battle, though most having a strong will and blind faith, are still humans at heart. Humans can be corrupted by the Chaos Gods.

And yet we are told they are "utterly incorruptible" in their very own Codex. Kind of like the GKs.

Do you see the connection?

Sarouan wrote:About Chaos Tau...well...the Greater Good mainly comes from the Ethereal's influence. If they're not around anymore (or worse, one being corrupted), it's not so stupid sounding than it is. Remember Farsight?

Well, going solely by GW's own material ...

"Blunt: All Tau have virtually no psychic presence in the Warp. To the daemon, they appear as a shifting will-o-the-wisp rather than the burning fire that represents a human's soul. As such, Tau can never have psychic powers. All daemons, daemonhosts and other denizens of the Warp attempting to detect a Tau have -50% to their Awareness rolls and must roll even when the Tau is in plain sight."
- Inquisitor RPG

The "Ethereal influence" too is nothing that was ever said in a core studio source (unless this changed with the newest supplement? I haven't read that one yet) - just the Black Library "Xenology" book, which also claims that Ork blood is green, or that Tau have normal feet rather than hooves.

Poly Ranger wrote:You could have a convent on a world cut off and 'submerged' by a warp storm for hundreds or even thousands of years. It will cut off the astronmican and potentially the emperors protection. Being exposed to the warp for that length of time would corrupt anyone (barring 'i'm better than everyone' lysander).

What protects the Sisters is their faith in the Emperor, not the Emperor himself. Still, I think your idea could work - because even if the original crew of that convent would manage to remain untouched, they'd still die of old age. They would have no access to either the rejuvenation treatments, nor new recruits from the Schola Progenium, and be forced to conscript new novices from the local population. Yet the convent would lack the experience of the Drill-Abbots and the Sisters Famulous to properly train these kids - perhaps they would even only recruit them at the age of novitiate (~12) rather than educating them from birth as how it happens to Schola students, which would surely affect the "level of indoctrination" of these second generation Sisters..
Over centuries, perhaps even millennia, it would be unavoidable for local culture to seep into the convent walls, exactly how it happens to the Space Marine Chapters.

And that's before you get into potential genetical and/or spiritual corruption by the Warp.

In a way, it ties into the same concept as Mr. Morden's idea - or perhaps rather a compromise between outright fakes and true Sisters, in that they are the fallen descendents of an actual lost convent.

Poly Ranger wrote:
You could have a convent on a world cut off and 'submerged' by a warp storm for hundreds or even thousands of years. It will cut off the astronmican and potentially the emperors protection. Being exposed to the warp for that length of time would corrupt anyone (barring 'i'm better than everyone' lysander).
Bear in mind the galaxy is vast, too vast for the written fluff to cover everything. Plus being so vast increases the possibility of anything happening.

Interstingly, IIRC, the current Sisters codex has a detachment of Sororitas going down to a planet that has been submerged for hudreds of years, several of the Holy sites are still intact and protected.....................

Depending on how you see the Emperor - or peharps the "Soul of the Imperium" entity that has arisen in the last 10 millenia- his protection in the Warp may still be just as effective...........might even explain a certain Grey Knight wondering around the Realm of Chaos - the Champion of another Power......

Depends I think on what you believe Faith actually is in the 40 Universe.........given that the Gods are real enough and act through their chosen followers directly.

 da001 wrote:

By the way, the GK hasn´t fallen to chaos [i]yet

The seed has already been planted by the Changeling, in fact.

 Lynata wrote:

Do you see the connection?

It's more about having the components to repel the demonic curse or not, in fact. You know, "virgin's blood", that kind of (evil) thing.

The "Ethereal influence" too is nothing that was ever said in a core studio source (unless this changed with the newest supplement? I haven't read that one yet) - just the Black Library "Xenology" book, which also claims that Ork blood is green, or that Tau have normal feet rather than hooves.

That doesn't mean Tau can't be misleaded or tricked. Sure, their "soul" would be useless, but Chaos doesn't need that. It just needs puppets to fulfill its purposes.


About the sisters, it's just that in an universe where entire legions of Space Marines, genetically modified super soldiers with an iron will, still fell to Chaos, I don't see why Sisters of Battle would be completely immune to failure just because they are female humans who have faith in the Emperor. Even female Inquisitors can be corrupted, after all - and everyone knows the way Inquisitors are chosen is even harsher than the way sisters are raised.

A sister's faith can be as pure as the Emperor's Light itself, sure. But for each story of a miracle happening by His Divine Hand, how many untold ones where a sister fails because temptations were too strong or her will was not enough? Infamy and corruption tend not to be those you like to tell when you want to praise the qualities of an army in a codex.

There are stories about the harsh life of a Sister of Battle, meaning only the best survive. That doesn't mean those who failed (and mostly died) never existed.

Yeah, corrupted sisters are interesting. Because that means there is an unusal story behind, explaining why they failed and got corrupted...

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 da001 wrote:
google "sisters of slaanesh"

And THAT is the main problem with Chaos Sisters.
Nurgle Sisters ? Khorne Sisters ? Tzeentch Sisters ? For some oh so strange reason, nobody seems to have any interest in that. Slaanesh Sisters ? Of course, hurr durr durr, women are for sex lolol 1!11!
Well, last time I checked Sisters were much more violent bellicist than hedonistic artists. Are they not ?


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Hey, I may add that to my sig.

Just an example. There is a truly good-looking "Sisters of Slaanesh" project out there, and I knew it.

I just google "Sisters of Khorne" and so on. There is some stuff going on for all of them. Mostly for Khorne.

Oh, and Slaanesh is not really about sex, it is about excess and the search of perfection. A Sister obsessed with becoming the greatest warrior of her Order may fall to S. Fulgrim and the rest didn´t fall because they liked sex.

Unless their God protects its true champions - are their any fallen Balck Templars...............?

Why does it have to be Sisters of Battle wearing the female proportioned power armour? Kill a whole convent, loot the armour, give to some handy female cultists, ???, profit.

Its not like the armour is magically powered by the will of the emperor or something (well, unless you believe the cogboys )

 Mr Morden wrote:
Unless their God protects its true champions - are their any fallen Balck Templars...............?

I think so.

Also, those 'Sisters of Khorne', and basically any Sister of Chaos seems to be scantilly-clad and shaped like the current beauty ideal.

 thenoobbomb wrote:


Also, those 'Sisters of Khorne', and basically any Sister of Chaos seems to be scantilly-clad and shaped like the current beauty ideal.

That's not really specific to Chaos Sisters, in fact. All "evil females" game models are generally showing more flesh than they should with lot of leather and pointy things.

It's purely hormonal, I believe.