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 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Nope, the only red on the Defiant class dial is the come about 3.

Even still, you can't say it's not nice to have multiple unique ships with that kind of maneuvability and abilities.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Nope, the only red on the Defiant class dial is the come about 3.

Even still, you can't say it's not nice to have multiple unique ships with that kind of maneuvability and abilities.

Oh no not at all, more ships are welcome, its just lower on my list of "I want" because I can already do more for the same points with the defiant class. But a K'Tinga or Romulan BoP with a tech slot that is something new

Hope this is in the right place, with only two threads for AW I do atleast have a 50/50 chance of getting it right.

Just started getting into Attack Wing only had one proper game so far and that was against my dad so not really much of a game I was too busy learning the rules while he got away with not really understanding what he was doing because the dice loved him. Game pretty much ended in a tie because we didn't have enough time to finish it. Hopefully in future the dice won't be quite so biased. Oh well maybe I'll be able to have a game on Friday since I've got some friends over for a gaming evening.

Anyway loving Attack Wing so far, already been on something of a spending spree as on top of the starter box I've picked up a few extra ships too (IRW Valdore, RIS Apnex, USS Equinox and USS Reliant). Though like most other I'm not too happy about the paint jobs, they're ok but not great so I've already spent a little bit of time doing some work on the Romulans, I might add some more details but for the moment I'm fairly happy. I would post this in the P+M showcase but I suspect that more people who are likely to be interested in Attack Wing repaints will see it here.



Not sure yet what other ships I want to pick up but I suspect in the end I'll end up with at least one of each Federation and Romulan ship. After that I'll have to wait and see but I definitely need to pick up a 3x3 mat as soon as possible.

-Nick
Welcome to the game and the board. Your ships look great this the best place to post them most of the guys who repait post here as well. Glad to hear you are enjoying the game. If you are looking fo another Romulan ship I would suggest the Praetus, some fun stuff in there. Again welcome and keep up the nice work.

Thanks, the Praetus is definitely on my list if only for the cloaked mines.

I don't think this news has been posted yet but DS9 and an oversized Borg cube are apparently being released in November.

DS9 Expansion pack

Orversized Borg Cube

So now we know why the release schedule changed to have no waves in November. Wizkids wanted to have the big ticket items for the Christmas shopping season.

It will be interesting to see what the new paint job and stats on DS9 are all about. I would really hate to have to buy one because I have 2 of the Dominion War prizes, but we shall see. The cube will be fun to get for home games amd special events. There will be no way it is usable in an OP, I hope it is around 120-150 points so people don't even try it.

Any tips for a budding dominion player?

 Formosa wrote:
Any tips for a budding dominion player?

Start with the Keldon class just about the whole pack is useful. Jem H'Dar fighter makes a nice support ship. Galor class can be a decent support ship, but for the same points you can get a Keldon with more attacks. The breen ship takes some fineness to pull off but a nice ship. The Jem H'Dar battle ship is the last thing you need it packs a puch but moves like a whale in a kiddy pool.

After seeing some STAW being played at my FLGS i would like to start playing myself. I think i would like to build a Romulan fleet. How do they compare against the other factions? Aside from the starter set what other ships and expansions should i get. It looks like the fleet size they are using in the store is 100 pts.

Also, while the model details are decent, the paint on them is meh at best. Has anyone tried repainting them? Thanks.

Romulans are my main faction. They require more tactical thought than say, Klingons, but can do well.
The first ship you should get after the starter is the Valdore. Then get a Praetus so you have cloaked mines, an Apnex so you have an interphase generator. The Galgathong is a great little ship.

Finally given in and bought into attack wing. Going to be trying to stick to pure Dominion, just for the sake of my own sanity.
Having said that, I've somehow ended up with
Keldon
Galor x3
Hideki
Gor Portas
Jem'Hadar Battleship
Jem'Hadar Attack Ship x2

I may have gone a little overboard

 inmygravenimage wrote:
Finally given in and bought into attack wing. Going to be trying to stick to pure Dominion, just for the sake of my own sanity.
Having said that, I've somehow ended up with
Keldon
Galor x3
Hideki
Gor Portas
Jem'Hadar Battleship
Jem'Hadar Attack Ship x2

I may have gone a little overboard

I'd say you are looking good there. The 2 attack ships with the battleship is nice. 2 Galors, a Keldo, and the fighter is also good. Though maybe down the road pick up another Keldon, but you have plenty to bring victory to the Dominion, AND VICTORY IS LIFE

So, the Tac Cube is out...

I think my two friends just want to play borg now, for around 80 some odd points, they have a ship with 8 attacks, 8 shields, and 17 hull points... :/ Almost makes me not want to play anymore... Seriously. Borg are Cheap and gimmicky, they seriously should've been toned down a lot more. Maybe instead of 40 something points, the cube should've been 80 points base, fewer stats, the sphere should be 65 points, 5 attacks, 5 hull, 5 shields.

I hate the borg, but because I refuse to play them at OP events and even at all, I'm going to lose, a lot. What fun is there to be had if I lose all the time to Borg? Going to an OP with all borg is like that TNG episode "parallels" I don't want to go back to an all borg state. :/

Oh it gets even worse

46 Named Cube
10 flagship
07 hull armour
07 hull armour

70 points for a ship with 27 hit points and a 360 firing arc with 30 points left over for upgrades.

The borg are over the top at this point. I don't really see anything coming out that is going be a challenge for them. However the 2nd and 3rd months OPs are not going to be all that good for a single stacked up borg ship. I have been reading the boards a lot and talking to people at the local OPs and I think we are going to start to see TOs ban them out right from organized play. I see stores doing that before they start to loose money. Let's face it things get banned in other games, magic springs to mind. It is sad though that we are at that point so early in the life span of attack wing.

They need to reevaluate how they price ships. Borg don't seem to pay a price for their very good mobility and 360 degree arcs... But their opponents sure do.

I'd rather see an errata by wizkids than an outright ban by flgs, but I don't think it's likely. This is the first wizkids game I've played, so I'm not sure if that's something they do.

Unfortunately I don't think they'll do that. Which sucks as I would really hate for this game to fall apart. What I'm worried is that there is going to be a general power creep with each new wave.

I know people say they do testing but with the flexibility of cross-factioning, it could get out of hand.

It isn't so much a power creep. Right now, on their own, the 4 main factions are fairly balanced. Cross faction play throws all that out the window as you would expected. It's like unbound 40k. But as individual factions balance is not bad in attack wing.

The power shift is that one new faction has virtually no drawbacks, and many advantages. Yes the borg have no evade dice, but that is negated by their ability to add 4-8 hull points to a ship plus their dial and 360 shooting. All the firepower in the world doesn't mean anything if you can't shoot the opponent. That the jem hadar battleship, if you get behind it, it's toast. The borg can easily get behind everone and stay there.

Peopl are already getting frustrated playing the borg and many places have experienced drop offs already. TOs will respond before wizkids, because the have already shelled out $$ for product they don't want sitting on the shelf. If sales of borg begin to drop or TOs begin to ban them wizkids may react. I don't know much about their others games but Wizkids has reacted well to thecattack wing community. When peopl were upset by no mine field token in the praetus, they gave an extra one in the gal gathong. When people were up set over Arena shenanigans they fixed it. So the could tone down the borg if there is $$ at stake.

I don't think sales of Borg are going to drop mainly because... well, they're the Borg. People were already determined to buy them even before we even got a hint of how they would be played. I'm not really sure how they are going to tone down the Borg too. Is it just a simple cost adjustment or completely re-writing their card?

I'm curious about the Romulans though. I never noticed it until somebody pointed it out but they are the only faction that doesn't have a captain that doles out extra actions.
And are there really any other ships out there for the Romulans other than the Scimitar and drone ship? I wonder if they will re-release existing ships over and over or actually use other sources outside of the TV series/movies.

I don't think we will see anything outside of the movies and shows. My understanding is that is all wizkids has the license for. We could see anothe science vessel, there is the Talvath from the Voyager episode "Eye of the Needle". There is another named scout ship, Pi from TNG episode "The Enemy". We could also see a Romulan D7. There is also over a dozen named D'Deridex class ships scattered throughout the different series. More of those would be welcome. It is cannon that the Tal Shiar maintains its own fleets. So it would be nice to get a Tal Shiar Warbird with different stats, maybe an extra attack and one less shield, or multiple tech slots.

Another possibility is that the USS Prometheus will come with some Romulan cards, like how the Reliant had Khan and his crew.

So we have some possibilities, and I would have no complaints with 4-5 different named D'Deridex ships. Different ship abilities are nice. It would be great if another science vessel gets release with a Romulan EM pulse or a tractor beam.

I wish the D'Deridex got a slight adjustment overall just so people would be more willing to use it.

Something like raising attack by one and decreasing defence by one. That way you could keep the point value the same.

On another note, how do you find cloaking in the game? It seems useless against the Borg but is it still worthwhile? I got to see the Tie Phantom awhile back and I'm liking the way cloaking is handled.

I was curious if it would make things more interesting if they were adapted for ST:AW or would it be too overpowering then.

Basically, I would make it so that you still retain 4 dice for defense when cloaked and you disable all shields. You could still sensor echo while cloaked. However the difference would be that you have to choose to decloak before you reveal your movement dial. Afterwards, you must immediately do either a sensor echo with a 2-straight movement ruler or do a 2-straight movement. Then you follow your movement dial.

I found that with the Tie Phantom, it became quite difficult to predict where it popped up; definitely more sneaky.

The only thing I'm not sure is when shields would be re-activated. At the end of turn, like normal? Then it makes the ship really vulnerable. Maybe let it still roll 4 defense dice like normal? Or maybe let it decloak with full shields up but no bonus defense dice?

Cloaking is a real gamble most of the time. While the 4 extra dice feel like a large buffer, in reality I've seen (and rolled) a big bag of blanks far too often. When going up against a ship with 3-4 attack dice it's not too bad, against ships with 6+ attack dice your going to take hits / crits and not having your shields pretty much half's the survivability of your ship.

In general the Borg feel really OP. I've only played them a couple of times but I've never had a close game against them. In a game when manouving is king, their movement + 360 guns beats everything. And that's before you take into account their upgrades which give them huge hull values. I haven't even seen the worst of them, as we only play faction pure around here, but their low captain skill doesn't feel like enough of a downside.

In general I'm stating to feel more and more like this is a CCG with nice models tagged on. Several of my fleets play really badly as the other ships I need aren't available to buy (distribution in the UK sucks) and there are curtain upgrades that seem NEEDED to make a fleet work, just buying the ships you like isn't an option for a balanced game.

Against the Borg and Klingons, I'm scared to cloak. They can consistently hit for 5-6 damage which means I need to rely on the green dice... a dangerous spot.

It depends on how many Shields you are dropping. The basic Valdore just has 2 shields. I'll take 4 dice over 2 shields most cases. The basic D''Deridex has 3 shields though, which means it's a tougher decision... it depends on how important it is to live one more turn.

The biggest thing to remember with cloaking is, just because you can doesn't mean you should. I mostly play Klingons and Romulans and I learned early that there is a right and a wrong time to cloak. Take the Khazara and the Neg'Var for example, cloaked the have 6 hit points. Shields up Khazara has 10 and Neg'Var has 9. Unles there is faction mixing going on it is hard for the borg to get above 7. Even with the reroll from the drone the Borg can't one shot the big guys with shields up. Now cloaked against a borg ship with a scan token and tactical drone it isn't difficult for them to land 5 damage and maybe a lucky crit. Unless you are taking an interphase generator don't cloak against the borg you are setting your self up. Same thing goes for big dominion ships that have battle stations, ie Keldons & battleships.

Save cloaking for fleets with low primary weapons and depend on secondary weapons, federation and romulans. Those transphasic & plasma torpedoes don't do much good if they can't get a lock. Also cloak against klingons, unles they have Drex. If they have Drex/Negaren think about putting up the shields or save your interphase generator for them. Also don't joust with klingons. Set up at an angle, use sensor echo before they trap you in a joust. Nothing frustrates a Klingon more that watching his target slide out of arc.




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An important thing to keep in mind is you can CHOOSE to drop cloak at the end of the round and raise shields. So if something goes wrong you pulled vthat bad move and they are going to blast you to bits the next round, RAISE THE SHIELDS.

Romulans, you will usually have at least 2 captains, maybe 3 shooting after Klingons and Federation. Use that lower captain skill to your advantage force bumps, lure them into obstacles, echo out of position. Make them react to you don't line up and let them gun you down. I know a lot of people look down on the D'Deridex, but white 3 turns with a sensor echo can make a federation player go Also I know a lot of Romulan players use Donatra but she isn't necessary. She lets your opponents know younare flying in tight formation and that marks you for alpha strikes and anti matter mines.

Romulan ships are very maneuverable, so spread out and hit opponents from multiple angles. Federation ships don't turn very well and when klingons in formation come about they can't cover multiple angles. If you do use Donatra let her be a bait ship and set the enemy up. I have seen many a Romulan fleet go down in flames be cause they were too concerned about that +1 attack they did think about the best way to hit the enemy.

I hope this helps.

So, I just saw a batrep for the Arena OP with two Spheres... he won 2/3 games, and only lost the 3rd game cause the other guy was running Borg too...

This makes me angry.

I have spent SO much money developing my Federation and Klingon fleets respectively, and the Borg just shoot me down, even with shields up.

I've taken to tailoring my lists specifically against Borg/Any fleet with Picard by using Projected Stasis Fields. I hate wasting my action on that but it literally seems hopeless otherwise.

I've been thinking about buying two Som'Raws just to use as Stasis Boats. Zoom forward, hit the spheres, zoom forward with my heavy hitter ships, concentrate fire on one sphere. Then repeat with the 2nd, however, it doesn't help when those spheres have Feedback Pulse and 25 hit points!!! It'd take me a few turns of dedicated fire to take one down!

BTW, Can Sabotage take Borg Ablative Armor from the Borg and put it on Klingon Ships?

Unfortunately Sabotage only works on tech or weapons, borg hull Armour is neither. However you can use it to take out feedback pulse.

My above comments are mainly directed towards when to cloak and when not to cloak so as not to get ome shoted. Right now everyone really has an uphill battle against the borg. I do think that the Federation with transphasic/Quantum/kitchen sink torpedoes are in a better spot. Klingoms are on par with the feds, but Romulan and Dominion are the least equipped to deal with the borg. Romulans have good torpedoes but have an action problem because of enabling/target lock and keeping the borg in arc. Dominion have very fragile ships apart from the battle ship, which the mborg will dance around. The could put energy dissapators on Keldons but its pricy and the borg can seal them and nobody wants that.

I think the Borg will be the undoing of this game...

Just...Too...Broken!

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
I think the Borg will be the undoing of this game...

Just...Too...Broken!

I think you could be right but it will depend on the store, wizkids has a 4 year business model so it will be produced for at least that long. The question is will the players keep supporting it at the brick and mortor stores or will those of us that are hooked have to shop at online stores and play at home?

Right now there are a lot of stores in my area that I could play, but I mainly stick to 2. One store the owner is all about having fun and doing what the players want as long as we keep buying stuff. We wanted faction pure we got it, we wanted 2 OPs a month we got it, his store is very flexible. The other place I play the TO prefers to have no limitations except what ever comes out in the FAQ. He like OPs to be free for alls and to do special non OP tournaments for things like faction pure or era pure.

It will all come down to whether the players keep supporting the play style so I think it will very from place to place. Stores have to invest money is stocking product so if the player base gets sick of how a TO runs events sales will drop off. Now especially with the blind packs TOs need to be carful how they handle things. At a lot of OPs I have gone to it was just buy a ship to play and that is how stores were moving product. OPs were moving the product. With the ccollective you have to buy the blind pack so people may not be buying as much retail product. Stores are now going to depend on extra impulse purchases to support the game not the OPs. If players show up for a poorly run event they won't want to spend more money. People will take thier 1 brick ship and go home maybe never to come back leaving loads of product on the walls.

So TOs need to listen to their players. If it means pure/mixed factions, or banning Borg, do whatever it takes to keep people buying outside the OP.

naw, borg are not OP by much, not game breakingly so.

pay 3pts to make their 360 not free, and its all square and even.

there are lots of cards that people dont take, like the 2pt miles o brian card that disables one upgrade (so anything but captain) at 1-3 range, even on cloaked ships. works wonders for ablative armor or feedbacks ect.

the cube is easier to beat then the sphere too, simply because the cube has the same # of attacks, and the rest of your points go into defence. attacks being the best use of points in game, spheres come out on top here.

the local meta here has DEFINATLY changed, but now that people actualy expect to play against borg, we see a lot of fed alpha strikes like mine, and dominon EDT's shenanigans, and even klingon horde lists that are stomping the borg into the dust on a regular basis.

personally I was a bit skeptical at first, but now that I am at 12+ games in against borg, winning 10 of them, I am not so worried, and I feel that each wave will improve on this a bit I hope.


really though, a simple TO change to +3 pts for borgs to make them pay for their 360 helps.

as does that we now allow SHIP pure (so mixing ships in your fleet is ok, but all upgrades/captains on a romulan ship must be romulan, klingon ships get klingon stuff, and borg dont get to mix ships!)

I think we found that that buffs the guys on the low end right now (romulans/klingons) enough that they are still compettive.

3 points is not enough for the borg 360 attack. The Dorsal Weapons Array from the Koranak is 3 points for a 3 attack 360 shot, 4 for out of faction. The borg have double that, so if anything it should be at least 8.

I don't understand why people think Klingons are at disadvantage against the borg. If anything they are better equipped to deal with them than the Federation. O'Brian is nice for 2 points, but he is not as good as the Projected Stasis Field/Klingon Bording Party. On most of the super sphere builds i have seen O'Brian doesn't do much more that take out the feedback pulse for a turn because they use double hull armour. Also Klingon attacks are already high so they don't need thing like transphasic torpedoes to get through the borg. But if you want a huge attack, a 5pt Barrage of Fire can pump out more accurate damage than the 10pt torpedoes.

Romulans do suffer a bit to the borg because they loose their maneuverability and lack high attack/dice manipulation. But they are not nearly as bad off as the Dominion. The Borg can easily get behind them because non of their ships can turn worth a damn. Their best ship, the Keldon, can be one shoted unless they dump points into cloak/evek combos. The borg fly circles around the battle ship and the attack ship can't scratch them. The breen have the ED but the ship its self is very fragile. The ED works better onmthe Keldon but costs an extra 5points.

Once again it is the Klingons and the Federation left to save the galaxy.

I figured it's time I started putting my Attack Wing repaints in the actual Attack WIng thread.

I repainted my Enterprise-D pretty much the day I bought it and now it's time for the others to catch up.



So yeah, here's my Enterprise compared to the standard painted models. - The repainting reasoning? "Well, I can't make them any worse..."

Step 1: Something nice and easy, a GW Nuln Oil wash over all the other ships.





Even that seems like a major improvement to me. The trick though, is tidying up any of the wash that pools on a flat section. - I missed a bit on Voyager and it is really very telling on what is supposed to be a symmetrical ship.