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Home Base: Prosper, TX (Dallas)

In this city (since apparently not calling the cops can lead to charges on the parents):

Call the cops.

Text/call your kids to let them know the cops are on the way.

Beat your children when they get home after the cops have left.

Avoids criminal negligence, avoids records for your kids, breaks up the party, and let's you teach a life lesson on how easy it is to impact your future in a single stupid act.

Win....

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 Manchu wrote:
Relapse wrote:
I think that parents should be parents and exert control
Through government law enforcement?


I'm not saying that, unless the situation with their kids has escalated out of their control. In the first place, were the parents trying to be the buddy types with their kids like the other set that got mentioned, or had they been trying to set boundries for the children?
   
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I wouldn't call the cops on MY kids... the other little gaks in my house though? Oh yes. Especially if the alternative is criminal charges for me. I can deal with my kids. Your kids are not my problem and will be dealt with accordingly.

Also I like how everyone is acting like a little misdemeanor juvie record is the equivalent of being a hardened felon.

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What I can't understand was the reason the cops gave for arresting the other set of parents was because they 'turned a blind eye' to all the illegal goings on.

Really? We're getting arrested now for seeing things.

Sigh.

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 Frankenberry wrote:
What I can't understand was the reason the cops gave for arresting the other set of parents was because they 'turned a blind eye' to all the illegal goings on.

Really? We're getting arrested now for seeing things.

Sigh.


No, they got arrested for allowing a bunch of teenagers to drink and use drugs at their house while they were there, not doing anything about it.
   
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So, if I see someone robbing my house and don't do anything should I be arrested for letting a crime happen in my house?

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No because you're not aiding and abetting the criminals in robbing your house.

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Relevant policies and/or laws about this topic:

This policy topic covers laws that impose liability against individuals (social hosts) responsible for underage drinking events on property they own, lease, or otherwise control.

Prohibitions Against Hosting Underage Drinking Parties addresses laws that establish State-imposed liability against individuals (social hosts) responsible for underage drinking events on property they own, lease, or otherwise control. These laws often are closely linked to laws prohibiting furnishing alcohol to minors, although laws establishing State-imposed liability for hosting underage drinking parties may apply without regard to who furnishes the alcohol. Hosts who allow underage drinking on their property as well as supply the alcohol consumed or possessed by the minors may be in violation of two distinct laws: furnishing alcohol to a minor and allowing underage drinking to occur on property they control. APIS provides additional information on laws pertaining to furnishing alcohol to minors in the Furnishing Alcohol to Minors policy topic.

The primary purpose of laws that establish State-imposed liability for hosting underage drinking parties is to deter underage drinking parties. Although research on the topic is limited, what is available suggests that parties are high risk settings for binge drinking and associated alcohol problems. Very young drinkers are often introduced to heavy drinking behaviors at these events (National Research Council Institute of Medicine, 2003).[1] Law enforcement officials report that, in many cases, underage drinking parties occur on private property, but the adult responsible for the property is not present or cannot be shown to have furnished the alcohol. Statutes that establish State-imposed liability for social hosts address this issue by providing a legal basis for holding adults responsible for parties that occur on their property whether or not they provided the alcohol to minors.

Two general types of liability may apply to hosting underage drinking parties: State-imposed liability and private party civil liability. State-imposed liability involves a statutory prohibition that is enforced by the State, generally through criminal proceedings that can lead to sanctions such as fines or imprisonment. Private party civil liability involves an action by a private party seeking monetary damages for injuries that result from permitting underage drinking on the host's premises. Although related, these two forms of liability are quite distinct. For example, a social host may allow a minor to drink alcohol after which the minor causes a motor vehicle crash that injures an innocent third party. In this situation, the social host may be prosecuted by the State under a criminal statute and face a fine or imprisonment for the criminal violation. In a State that provides for private party civil liability, the injured third party could also sue the host for monetary damages associated with the motor vehicle crash. State-imposed liability is established by statute. Private party civil liability can be imposed either by statute or by a court using common law negligence principles. This policy topic addresses State-imposed liability for hosting underage drinking parties.


More:

http://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/Prohibitions_Against_Hosting_Underage_Drinking_Parties.html

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“social hosting” defined as “when an individual over the legal age (18 or 21) serves, furnishes or permits the possession or consumption of alcohol to a person underage (generally 20 years or younger) on property for which s/he has responsibility.”

Yeah, it is illegal pretty much everywhere.

Here are the laws, state by state:
http://socialhost.drugfree.org/

Many states it is illegal to 'know' and not do anything about it even if you didn't supply it.


Connecticut where this story is from:
A host may rescind the violation if they made reasonable efforts to halt possession of alcohol by minors. Reasonable efforts could include: talking to to the minor; taking away the alcohol; contacting the minor’s parents; or contacting the police.


Can the adult be sued?


The State of Connecticut has not enacted a law regarding civil penalties for social hosting. In the absence of a statute, the Supreme Court found that, in the case of minors, a social host is liable to the minor served or to innocent third parties injured the damage caused is related to the host serving alcohol.

So basically, every action by every child and every damage they cause, the people charged with social hosting is liable.

The best and only thing you can do as an adult is to call the police to absolve yourself of personal liability to prove you did everything possible. A minor rap sheet for your teenage kids is better than losing your house and all of your possessions and any hope at college because your family is sued to oblivion because a kid at the party was drunk and your parents were held liable.

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 KingCracker wrote:
Not to mention court costs and probably probation as well. Idiots, just beat your children, they deserved it!


Last time you and I "argued" this subject you called me a hippie and refused to argue the point, but I'll try again: how are you going to beat someone into understanding something?

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AW, I think KingCracker (and others like myself) are mostly JOKING about beatings (I'd like to assume most of us on here are decent enough to not viciously club the crap out of offspring we have/want to have). He called you a hippy because you're not appreciating him having fun and you're calling him out on it. Now go hug a tree, dammit!

-it's not insulting cuz I winked. I'm doing it correctly, right?

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What really confuses me is how you can have a party with a hundred kids and only one of them puking...
   
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 Frazzled wrote:
No because you're not aiding and abetting the criminals in robbing your house.


But if you did aid them it would it actually still be robbery?

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 Easy E wrote:
So, if I see someone robbing my house and don't do anything should I be arrested for letting a crime happen in my house?


That's apples and oranges. These parents were aiding criminal behavior and child endangerment along with putting the public at risk by providing a venue for these kids to get drunk/high and then go out on the neighborhood roads in innebriated condition.
   
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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
 KingCracker wrote:
Not to mention court costs and probably probation as well. Idiots, just beat your children, they deserved it!


Last time you and I "argued" this subject you called me a hippie and refused to argue the point, but I'll try again: how are you going to beat someone into understanding something?


Corporal punisment works as an enforcer of behaviour by associating with a young mind that doing a particular action results in a nasty penalty. Pain is a great aid to memory, ask any martial artist. At what age such punishment becomes pointless is debatable. Public caning in places like Singapore seems to keep petty crime down and is a lot cheaper than employing expensive psychologists and rehabilitation programmes. I should imagine though that the pain is simply part of the public humiliation as it exposes your weakness to your neighbours, something which most people prefer not to do.
   
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Good on them. I would have to. Little pukes. I just get back from a trip and the last thing I want to have is my kids and a 100 others boozing it up in my house.
   
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 timetowaste85 wrote:
AW, I think KingCracker (and others like myself) are mostly JOKING about beatings (I'd like to assume most of us on here are decent enough to not viciously club the crap out of offspring we have/want to have). He called you a hippy because you're not appreciating him having fun and you're calling him out on it. Now go hug a tree, dammit!

-it's not insulting cuz I winked. I'm doing it correctly, right?



Correct, and adding in the grinning ork helps. But I'm a jerk and like till leave those out. Keeps the hippies guessing


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
 KingCracker wrote:
Not to mention court costs and probably probation as well. Idiots, just beat your children, they deserved it!


Last time you and I "argued" this subject you called me a hippie and refused to argue the point, but I'll try again: how are you going to beat someone into understanding something?


Also Stockholm syndrome. I win.

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 wowsmash wrote:
Good on them. I would have to. Little pukes. I just get back from a trip and the last thing I want to have is my kids and a 100 others boozing it up in my house.


I was surprised at the backlash to the parents. I thought it was pretty clever to what they did. Little gaks deserved it.
   
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 Frazzled wrote:
No because you're not aiding and abetting the criminals in robbing your house.


Wouldn't I be aiding them if I never reported it?

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 Easy E wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
No because you're not aiding and abetting the criminals in robbing your house.


Wouldn't I be aiding them if I never reported it?


Don't forget about all those bank tellers that just handed over the money. They helped too!

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 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:
Don't forget about all those bank tellers that just handed over the money. They helped too!

Under duress, which is a legal defense. I don't think that the minors in the story menaced the adults, or threatened the use of violence.

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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:
Don't forget about all those bank tellers that just handed over the money. They helped too!

Under duress, which is a legal defense. I don't think that the minors in the story menaced the adults, or threatened the use of violence.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the adults. Just building a joke off of Easy E's post

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