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I swear they had made mention of scaling via the encounter or threat deck or something... it's been a while and I don't want to have to shift through all those comments.

And I'm pretty sure I even asked them that at one point!

I'm waiting to either corrupt or burn a town down.

Are we going to be able to have shoot outs in town? I thought it was mostly swamps and caves and the otherworlds.

I'm all for unfortunate townspeople having their homes burnt down and mopping dead aliens off their porches...

You can most definitely have shoot outs in town. Stop bank robberies, rob the bank or other shops yourself, get the whole town corrupted and mutated with darkstone, stave off an undead invasion... those are a few I remember them mentioning when I continued pestering them about it.

So, has anyone heard any word on the Pledge Manager that they said would take a couple weeks back in December?

Just asking to make sure I haven't missed anything. I know there is stuff that I want to add...

Nope.

No word on a pledge manager yet. If word gets out I'll post it up here if nobody else beats me to the punch.

Yeah, given that we're half a year from delivery, I still think it's kind of a low priority. Doubly so since we know that Wave One may be a bit of a moving target; until we're closer to August, they may simply not know what will and won't be available. They've said their aiming to do the two core boxes, and other things as time permits, but to try to judge that all this far out would risk over-promising (outright bad, obviously) or having to constantly revise things.

Now, I do believe they said that the PM would be coming 'soon', so that's on them, but this is a project I wouldn't mind having a PM pop a bit late for.

Obviously they need to do it months before they're even remotely glancing at delivery; they need to know how much of each thing to produce (even if it's just the base boxes, people will order more, I'm sure) as it'd be a logistical nightmare to try to get people to fill that all out and collect any extra money necessary on short notice with this many people, but I could see putting it off at least a little longer.

Not too much longer though.

They have a gak ton of add-ons - they'll want to know how many of each one to make sooner rather than later...

As I mentioned, they said that August will just be the core boxes, plus maybe some stuff more if they have the time and opportunity.

Which would be pretty straightforward.

The second wave with the rest, however, will be complicated as gak.

Ah, I didn't realize that August was just the two boxed games. I hope all the add-ons don't slip too far beyond that...

They'll slip even further if demand outstrips initial supply/forecasting...

I doubt there'll be all that many folks buying multiples of most of the add ons, it's probably fairly safe to say that there's a fairly firm cap to go to with this stuff.

I agree that they need the numbers eventually, but until they're verging on molds being made, I just don't see it as a burning issue that some backers in the KS comments are getting a bit heated over.

But I will also agree that the weeks are starting to run low to get that all settled out with enough time in place to have the PM run for a reasonable period of time to let everyone sort their stuff out. March? April? Including time to produce molds, punch out thousands of each figure and ship 'em across and ocean and then off to Backers, maybe May? Run the PM for May, production in June, shipping in July, but even that's a bit of a tight timeline, compared to a number of other miniatures heavy KS campaigns I've seen, and leaves very little leeway for snags in said production or other hold ups (customs, shipping delays, etc).

Advocating patience as I have, I guess really we're only a month or two away from things getting awfully tight.

Unless they decide to only do the two boxes and ship those alone (not even extras) during the first wave. It might not make people happy, but it'd likely be the easiest thing logistically.


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That all said... my favourite part of this (and this is with a lot of eye rolling) is that this really is now a race (for me) between FFP and Palladium to see who delivers on their giant blockbuster campaign first.

Both are aiming to deliver the first wave of their product by August (PB claims they want to ship to backers in June, maybe even May, but I'll believe that when I see the box, err, crate in my apartment), but despite SoB's campaign finishing roughly half a year after PB's, if I were to put money on the matter, I'd still be leaning towards FFP getting me some stuff first.

It's actually a 3 way race with Wyrd's Through the Breach RPG (also expected to be at Gencon), but that campaign finished in January 2013, and reportedly would be delivering in March of this year (after failing to hit their August/September of 2013 target), and supposedly they're mostly done writing the books, so I'm hoping they aren't actually in the running. As that'd be pretty obnoxious.

Forar,

I don't know that the design and mold considerations are the same between RRT and SoB. The RRT stuff will all be hard plastic, while I imagine all the SoB stuff will be single piece boardgame quality plastic, more like Zombicide. Still great quality and even paintable, but not the same as GW or other miniatures. So that should make the mould cutting and other stuff much easier and quicker.

I think that they'll push for some of their XL pieces to be at GenCon, for that WOW factor! So, I don't think we'll get a large percentage of the add-ons, but I can see a couple extras being sent out with the core games.

To get it into everyones hands though, before selling them at GenCon, that will be interesting to see as they list the whole month of August for delivery. But they are already showcasing the games, running demos, so I hope the rules are good, and the campaign system well developed. Really looking forward to playing this with the family!

Also, I would imagine they're fairly well along development- wise if they'll be doing public demos at that trade show they mentioned. It's supposed to be in April I believe?

I think Greed's right. We'll probably see a few showstopper type XL/ XXL expansions available (or at least prototypes of them) to really help draw in passers by at Gen Con.

I thought that FFP said that the miniatures in this game were a cut above "board game plastic"?

So, if we take Zombicide figures as "board game plastic", and GW as good plastics, what are the gradients that we're talking about between the two?

 Alpharius wrote:
I thought that FFP said that the miniatures in this game were a cut above "board game plastic"?

Everyone says their stuff is the bestest quality. Remember the promises from McVey about Sedition Wars? Who's definition of Boardgame plastic are we using, anyway? Cheap Chinese Ludo pieces, the hat and car from Monopoly or FFG's Gears of War/Relic PVC?

All good points, but I'd hope after the Sedition Wars Debacle, and the ongoing Mantic Restic Stumbles, that companies would be a bit...smarter when throwing out claims.

We'll see soon enough here though!

I'm expecting something like FFG/Gears plastic. - aka "good quality boardgame" stuff.

I think taking Zombiecide/Descent/Gears etc as simply "boardgame plastic" is setting yourself up for disappointment.

 Azazelx wrote:
I'm expecting something like FFG/Gears plastic. - aka "good quality boardgame" stuff.

I think taking Zombiecide/Descent/Gears etc as simply "boardgame plastic" is setting yourself up for disappointment.

Are you putting Zombiecide into "good quality boardgame" plastic? If so, that's great. I haven't had a lot of interaction with newer boardgames, so I am not sure. I hope that SoB is excellent quality plastic, though I doubt I paint much of it. Just play it as is. Too much RRT stuff to paint this fall!

I'm assuming/hoping that it'll be up to their usual standard, if not a little better (leaning more towards the harder Fortune & Glory and Conquest of Planet Earth figures, as opposed to the softer Last Night on Earth figures).

I mean, cash has been sent, apparently a demo is going to occur soon (it'd be nice if they updated more often, but their communication wasn't strong during the campaign either, so it's not like Robotech where they were great while taking money and then went silent for weeks and weeks post campaign).

That's a form of consistency at least. >.>

It's funny, but despite having paid in for roughly equal (rather excessive) amounts between those two campaigns, this is the one I don't really worry about. At least FFP has released games in the last half decade that I enjoy. Palladium struggles to release their lunch schedule.

... I guess what I'm saying is that I've finally had a rough enough Kickstarter experience to lower my standards.

 Salacious Greed wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
I'm expecting something like FFG/Gears plastic. - aka "good quality boardgame" stuff.

I think taking Zombiecide/Descent/Gears etc as simply "boardgame plastic" is setting yourself up for disappointment.

Are you putting Zombiecide into "good quality boardgame" plastic? If so, that's great. I haven't had a lot of interaction with newer boardgames, so I am not sure. I hope that SoB is excellent quality plastic, though I doubt I paint much of it. Just play it as is. Too much RRT stuff to paint this fall!

Embarrassingly, I haven't looked hard enough at the Zombicide figures I got, since the last three times I planned to get it all out and play it all fell through - though I know they paint up pretty well. (Links to my mate Cash's blog site).

Point being that "boardgame plastic" is a huge, non-specific brush, and very easy to assume that figures held to be on the better end of the medium to be "typical" - and therefore "this one will be even better" - seems a good way to extreme disappointment.

You know CashWiley, Azazel? That really is quite a paintjob on the Zombicide figure, although I think that speaks to his skill more than the figure quality.

 Forar wrote:
Palladium struggles to release their lunch schedule.

They are extremely effective at turning food into poo though...

 Alpharius wrote:
All good points, but I'd hope after the Sedition Wars Debacle, and the ongoing Mantic Restic Stumbles, that companies would be a bit...smarter when throwing out claims.

We'll see soon enough here though!

I wonder why it's considered the "sedition wars debacle" all the while Mantic is given a pass ("stumbles") after their repeated inability to produce a decent miniature.

Expectation differences maybe? We all expect Mantics stuff to be middling?

That's clearly part of it, Studio McVey were known only as a high end resin mini manufacturer so too many people expected their plastic to be identical

(not helped by over optimistic talk about quality during the campaign)

and the big delays in delivery also helped sour things up (the promised solo rules are still not available)

and the fact that some (but by no means all) of the paid extras from the second wave were too small (scale wise)

Mantic as you say does not carry the same high expectation, and is, at least, on time

That's definitely a part of it - certainly!

I guess I was just trying to make the sentence flow better though - trust me, I think that Sedition Wars and much of what Mantic has done in their KS campaigns are debacles!

 RiTides wrote:
You know CashWiley, Azazel? That really is quite a paintjob on the Zombicide figure, although I think that speaks to his skill more than the figure quality.

Yeah, we've known one another on another forum for several years. I'm one of the ones you can blame for him painting minis again after a decade or two off. He's really gone full-force into mini painting as art and wanting to better his skills, etc.


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 cincydooley wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
All good points, but I'd hope after the Sedition Wars Debacle, and the ongoing Mantic Restic Stumbles, that companies would be a bit...smarter when throwing out claims.

We'll see soon enough here though!

I wonder why it's considered the "sedition wars debacle" all the while Mantic is given a pass ("stumbles") after their repeated inability to produce a decent miniature.
Expectation differences maybe? We all expect Mantics stuff to be middling?

Aside from Orlando's post, which explains the McVey situation very well... Mantic given a pass? gak, that's not what I see (or do!) Mantic stumbles around like a blind drunk in a dark windowless room at 3am while still managing to constantly ask for money from passersby. They're rather lucky that Alessio came up with a very nice ruleset in KoW. Which gives me somewhere to use my (mostly GW) fantasy figures.

 Azazelx wrote:
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Aside from Orlando's post, which explains the McVey situation very well... Mantic given a pass? gak, that's not what I see (or do!) Mantic stumbles around like a blind drunk in a dark windowless room at 3am while still managing to constantly ask for money from passersby. They're rather lucky that Alessio came up with a very nice ruleset in KoW. Which gives me somewhere to use my (mostly GW) fantasy figures.

I'll be honest; I gave Deadzone a chance. The minis just...just looked like garbage. I think they still owe me stuff in wave 2, and I quite frankly don't even care.

And now, they've got this Dreadball Xtreme KS going on, and the thing is already nearing $150k. I mean WTF? I feel like I'm missing something.

Anyhoo, back OT. I think the quality of plastic used in the newest Descent miniatures and in Zombicide is PLENTY good for a board game. The minis are quite detailed and super paintable (and I actuall think they're better than Mantics stuff). Thats really all I'm looking for from the minis for this KS, and if they're of better quality than that, well then it'll just be icing on the cake!

Oh hello there! Yes, Az bears a lot of the blame for unleashing me on the mini painting community.

I also painted up a Sedition Wars Vanguard recently in my 'game plastic' painting binge. They're pretty good for detail but hell to clean up. The Zombicide models cleaned up a bit better/cleaner. The miscasting on the Zombicide stuff was more pronounced, though. Wanda's face was jacked (also her shotgun), Josh's eye, Ned's shotgun. But they're fun to paint and have good character to the sculpts.

I'm hoping to find time to do a couple Dreadball models to help me decide if I want to get any more Mantic plastic.

Sweet Old School 1E AD&D Deities and Demigods Cthulhu avatar too!