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Alright, so I've picked up the Infinity books, talked to some of the local players and watched a few games. Here's my first try at a Tohaa list for 300 points. I'd like to have a list focusing on the Gao Rael, Gao Tarsos, and Chaksa models.

Tohaa | 10 models
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Ectros Lt (50|0)
Gao-Tarsos HMG (40|1.5)
Gao-Tarsos Combi (31|0)
Gao-Rael Spitfire (38|1.5)
Gao-Rael Sniper (37|1)
Auxiliar HMG (25|1)
Auxiliar HMG (25|1)
Auxiliar Baggage (10|0)
Auxiliar Baggage (10|0)
Kumotail (22|0)
Servant (3|0)
Servant (3|0)
Servant (3|0)
Servant (3|0)
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300/300 points | 6/6 swc
open with Aleph Toolbox : direct link

Thoughts appreciated

I'm no good with regards to Tohaa, but do servants generate orders, or are they like palbots?

edit: wait no they probably don't, else you have way more than 10 guys there. silly motyak

The only problem I can see is if you face a lot of TAGs in your area, but weight of fire will probably bring them down with a list like this just fine. You seem to have guys who can deal with smoke and stuff both at longer range and closer (sniper and spitfire), heaps of HMGs, orders, you may lack specialists a bit, but if you can use your Kumotail through the servants palbot style, then that is mostly dealt with.

My only concern would be the very visible Lt. As soon as someone looks at your list, they're going to know who your Lt is and where, and as a HI, you're going to want him in their face killing things. So you're Lt will have a gigantic bullseye on his back from go. Symbiont armour makes him pretty tough, but not invincible. Remember, Lt's aren't like characters in 40k, leading from the front with layers of saves. The general strategy of Lt selection is someone who can sit in his hole and maybe accomplish something from there.

Unfortunately, it's not something you can remedy with that list, so you'll just have to get used to being careful with him. The rest of the list looks fun, and with two baggage Chaksas you're not fleeing without serious casualties.

The list definitely has teeth though. 3(!) HMGs and MSV 2 Spitfire and Sniper will let you put out some serious hurt. And Gao Tarsos are tougher than they have any right to be as AD troops, it's a nice surprise dropping an ARM 3 HMG toting badass one someones head.

motyak, what is needed to take out TAGs? The Chaksa Auxilaries can take guided missile launchers instead of HMGs for 4 more points.

Loki, I was actually thinking about the Lieutenant being obvious, too... here's a possible alternate list, making the non-sniper Gao-Rael the Lieutenant:

Tohaa | 10 models
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Ectros Vulkan (46|0)
Gao-Tarsos HMG (40|1.5)
Gao-Tarsos HMG (40|1.5)
Gao-Rael Sniper (37|1)
Gao-Rael Lt (32|0)
Auxiliar HMG (25|1)
Auxiliar HMG (25|1)
Auxiliar Baggage (10|0)
Auxiliar Baggage (10|0)
Kumotail (22|0)
Servant (3|0)
Servant (3|0)
Servant (3|0)
Servant (3|0)
________________________________________________________

299/300 points | 6/6 swc
open with Aleph Toolbox : http://goo.gl/vyvQcd

Only issue is, I had to save 4 points and get rid of the Ectros' viral combirifle loadout in favor of a vulkan shotgun loadout. If that's a problem, I could drop a Servant and put him back how he was. But I was hoping to have all 4 servants . An alternate option if I dropped a servant would be to turn one Chaksa Auxilary's HMG into a Guided Missile Launcher.

Thanks for the tips

 RiTides wrote:
motyak, what is needed to take out TAGs? The Chaksa Auxilaries can take guided missile launchers instead of HMGs for 4 more points.

Well I reckon you have enough through sheer weight of fire, since if you get (for example) 2 HMGs onto him he'll need to roll above a 5-9 6 or so times (assuming he doesn't beat you in a Face to face roll and he has no cover). But if you give them cover, then it becomes a 2-6 6 or so times, and if he starts knocking some of your shots away with the face to face rolls it becomes more and more likely he'll survive and murderise your HMGs. This isn't accounting for any other ARO's your HMGs are prompting.

But I think the quantity of fire you have should work fine on anything but a Jotum in cover really, and stuff that guy.

..And even those tend to rather dislike suppression fire HMG's. Generally, knowing your TAG *might* go down to unlucky rolls can be a big deterrent already and you never really have to kill a TAG, just it's orders. Suppressing it's movement with enough scare tactics can work pretty well on its own, already

Awesome, very glad to know it is viable . I have seen that folks at my store occasionally run TAGs but it's not everybody / all the time.

I've got most of these models and plan to start getting them assembled soon . The only proxy is going to be the regular Gao-Tarsos as an HMG since the HMG model isn't quite out yet, although I'll see if I can convert it (I'd like to have one of each of the 2 Gao-Tarsos sculpts as an HMG, once it's released, in case I decide to field 2 they won't be in identical poses).

Arise, my thread! I have now given these model to my friend, who is a local commission painter, to paint for me in time for our FLGS infinity league in June. Pretty excited

I will also have him painting a second wave of models for me afterwards, if all goes well with this first commission (which is basically the models above with just a few extra).

Surprised there is no Sakiel.

They're in wave 2

 RiTides wrote:
Arise, my thread! I have now given these model to my friend, who is a local commission painter, to paint for me in time for our FLGS infinity league in June. Pretty excited

I will also have him painting a second wave of models for me afterwards, if all goes well with this first commission (which is basically the models above with just a few extra).

Which FLGS would that be? Please don't say DreamWizards.

I only know 2 commission painters in Md who handle Infinity. Both are excellent painters. You'll need to post the pictures when you get them back.

Looking forward to seeing how these turn out. I'm feeling my resistance to the Tohaa gradually crumbling each time I look at the miniatures, and imagine them on some of those lovely MaS 'temple' style bases..

 Red Harvest wrote:

Which FLGS would that be? Please don't say DreamWizards.

I only know 2 commission painters in Md who handle Infinity. Both are excellent painters. You'll need to post the pictures when you get them back.

It is, in fact, DW . I wish I could make the others, but I just can't reach them on weekdays.

Nate, a press ganger there, is the one doing the painting . He did one other person's Infinity force who games there, as well.

Definitely looking forward to pictures of how they come out.

The Vulkan and the Combi-Viral are both good options to have. I wish I had Vulkan shotgun for my Haqq forces, but thats just because those chaps enjoy lighting stuff on fire something fierce.

Hey though, if you ever get a chance to head to one of the other places besides DW, let us know! I'd love to get in a game with you. I haven't had a chance to play against Tohaa yet.

And if DW ends up hosting something Infinity I wouldn't mind making a trip up for it.

Yeah you should definitely put up some pics when you get them. I've been looking at tohaa a bit as well, but then remember this isn't gonna be like warhammer, I will paint an army before starting another.

My thoughts are to keep the ectros as the Lt. Even with it changed as it is now, its still obvious the rael is the Lt. Also specialists. There doesn't seem to be a huge amount, just the kumotail. There's a few points in just servants and baggage guys. Could loose some of them to get a specialist in there like a Clipsos FO. 27pts for a TO infiltrator seems like a steal to me.

Got my first two games with this list today, as the local commission painter almost has them finished! Had a ton of fun . Won the first game with my HMG wielding drop trooper wrecking face. Second game my opponent hacked my drop trooper's deployment and he landed way out of the fight! I eventually killed my opponents lieutenant with my ectros viral combirifle, but he won on objectives.

Overall, I enjoyed it a lot, but with the missions (ITS?) I need more characters who can interact with objectives. I'm allowed a spec op that I can use for this, but I think I need at least one more model that can interact with objectives.

Also, the second game my chaksa servant got a chance to heal a model... and promptly killed him instead

The Gao Tarsos HMG is embarrassingly good. Good PH for making his drop roll, ARM 3 making him really resilient, 2 wounds thanks to symbiont armour, and a bigass HMG. If he lands on target, his resilience and gun just lets him brute force through AROs.

Just make sure you don't drop him near a flamer equipped model, especially one with LoS and range to his landing area.

With ITS, general list building advice is to find one of each specialist you want to use. Then bulk out the list in the direction you want to do, attempting to put even more specialists in for redundancy. The first thing a seasoned player will do is hunt down your specialists. If you don't have extras, and they get killed, you lose the ability to score points.

Whats with the four servants in these lists?

Also, try and get those HMG Auxilia into their own combat group if you can, ideally with the Diplomat. Board control pieces tend to die very quickly, and you really want to be able to have a full order pool after they go down or they lose a lot of their raison d'etre

Yeah, my friend said the same thing about the servants . I went down to 3 for my last game, with this list:

Tohaa | 10 models
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Ectros Lt (50|0)
Gao-Tarsos HMG (40|1.5)
Gao-Tarsos HMG (40|1.5)
Gao-Rael Sniper (37|1)
Gao-Rael combi (32|0)
Auxiliar HMG (25|1)
Auxiliar HMG (25|1)
Auxiliar Baggage (10|0)
Auxiliar Baggage (10|0)
Kumotail (22|0)
Servant (3|0)
Servant (3|0)
Servant (3|0)
________________________________________________________

300/300 points | 6/6 swc
open with Aleph Toolbox : http://goo.gl/Brebyj

I could also have the Gao-Rael be the Lieutenant, so at least I can switch up which model is the Lieutenant between games!

The commission painter is actually supposed to give me these models tomorrow, so hopefully I'll have pics up shortly

Sorry to derail this a bit. I couldn't help but notice your located in the DC Metro area, we really should look into setting up a Dakka DC infinity game.

Right now there is you, Red Harvest, Chemical Cutthroat, and myself.

 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, my friend said the same thing about the servants . I went down to 3 for my last game, with this list:

Tohaa | 10 models
________________________________________________________

Ectros Lt (50|0)
Gao-Tarsos HMG (40|1.5)
Gao-Tarsos HMG (40|1.5)
Gao-Rael Sniper (37|1)
Gao-Rael combi (32|0)
Auxiliar HMG (25|1)
Auxiliar HMG (25|1)
Auxiliar Baggage (10|0)
Auxiliar Baggage (10|0)
Kumotail (22|0)
Servant (3|0)
Servant (3|0)
Servant (3|0)
________________________________________________________

300/300 points | 6/6 swc
open with Aleph Toolbox : http://goo.gl/Brebyj

I could also have the Gao-Rael be the Lieutenant, so at least I can switch up which model is the Lieutenant between games!

The commission painter is actually supposed to give me these models tomorrow, so hopefully I'll have pics up shortly

The Chaksa HMGs are not the greatest. You only get your full burst in ARO instead of the active turn with them. You are also missing out on creating link teams for higher burst.

Firstly - not true. Auxiliar HMG's have Neurocinetics, not Total Reaction. With Nuerocinetics, you can choose to use full burst in ARO, and next turn are limited to B1 in your active turn. If you choose to fire your HMG B1 in reaction, it's still full burst in your next active turn.

Secondly - you are suggesting that a full burst ARO HMG with a 360 visor on a relatively cheap unit is a bad thing? There's a reason TR HMG remotes are so popular. Nothing beats them at watching your deployment zone for infiltrators or AD units. Auxiliar have the benefit of also being able to switch to full burst on the active turn.

Thirdly - triad links aren't everything. Personally, I find I'm limiting myself if I go for maximum triads, because Tohaa have fantastic solo units that you want to use to create additional threat vectors. Three triads leaves only one slot for a solo, whereas two triads leave four, and still provides ample order efficiency.

This Special Equipment is always in effect and the player cannot avoid using it.

http://infinitythegame.wikispot.org/Neurocinetics

You're wrong , Loki. You always fire at B1 with Neurocinetics.

Also, Chaksa are very easily killed by Camo units, same like TR drones.

This will change in N3 with the change to how Surprise Attack works, but now, you can't rely on Total Reaction to defend your Deploment Zone reliably.

Is there any official ruling on that? Because

The figure, in his reactive turn, can fire the complete B of his weapon. However, in his active turn, he is limited to firing at B1.

It does not say must fire. It says can fire. Meaning there's a choice. The equipment is always in effect, so he can always make the choice.

To me, the next sentence makes it clear:

This Special Equipment is always in effect and the player cannot avoid using it.

You cannot avoid using it.

Of course you can't.

But by using it, the rule doesn't say you must fire at full burst in ARO. It says you can fire at full burst in ARO, and if you do, your next active turn your burst reduced to 1.

The sentence following, to me, is just saying that you don't have to spend an order to activate the skill, it's always active, which is what allows its use in ARO. How you choose to fire in ARO is up to you by being given a choice in the preceeding sentence.

I'll admit I'm often wrong about things like this, but the language in the rule is definitely offering a choice. But then, translation has always been an issue in this game, which is why I wouldn't mind seeing if there's been an official ruling on it or a discussion on the official boards.

Personally I'd say RAW and logic favours Loki's determination but this could easily be a translation error or something of the sort.