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 fishy bob wrote:

Or just think something in the lines of "Oh, he's whipped out the spray can. Perhaps we're done here?"

Nothing in the law gives him permission to take out the can in the first place. If that is someone idea of a mob then they are living in Candy Land where anything less sunshine filled than a rainbow is the end of the world. That was not a mob under any definition of the word and the people being sprayed where the ones who were the least active of all the students present.

You never been in that situation Manchu.

It would be relevant if the two situations were at all comparable. And I have been in that situation. UC Davis is not a war zone.

 Jihadin wrote:
You never been in that situation Manchu. Before we go further remember you view me as a murderer

I remember you saying that the sight of children dying in war didn't bother you and I remember calling you out on that. Still stand by that?

EDIT: My mistake -- we weren't even talking about war .. we were talking about how you're fine seeing a baby shot in a movie theater:

 Jihadin wrote:

this jerkwad shot a 3 month old baby in the face and shot a 7 year old little girl IN THE BACK.

This doesn't bother me. To me thats causualties. I've been deployed to many times and seen a lot worse.

Whether I've been a soldier or a police officer has no bearing on my ability to tell the difference between them.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

As where shown, they where dliberatly antagonizing the officers.

No they weren't.

so shouting, at pepper spray holding cops "What are you going to do" isnt antagonizing?
Oh, lets not forget the fact they they where being tld to leave and refused?

 Jihadin wrote:

jack-booted bully boys.

Then I'm a jack booted Bully NCO protecting my interpreter when we get mobbed by locals.

That explains the puking pumpkin.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
so shouting, at pepper spray holding cops "What are you going to do" isnt antagonizing?
Oh, lets not forget the fact they they where being tld to leave and refused?

How does shouting justify pepper spray?

What are you like in an argument?


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 Frazzled wrote:
That explains the puking pumpkin.

It explains a lot, although I suspect unintentionally.

 fishy bob wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
All I find laughable is the "Shame on you" Chant like five year olds do.

I suppose you think the mature thing would have been to retaliate with pepper spray?

Or just think something in the lines of "Oh, he's whipped out the spray can. Perhaps we're done here?"

Whenever the conversation shifts to "he" and :whipped out" the conversation is done for me...

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
so shouting, at pepper spray holding cops "What are you going to do" isnt antagonizing?

It might be.

If the people he sprayed were the ones screaming at him.

And even then, it's still a violation of the protestors civil rights since the screaming doesn't rise to that kind of a response in the first place.

Oh, lets not forget the fact they they where being tld to leave and refused?

Never heard of sit ins have you?

Its not shouting, It is shouting at the cops who you are making a circle around and not letting them leave.

 Manchu wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
You never been in that situation Manchu. Before we go further remember you view me as a murderer

I remember you saying that the sight of children dying in war didn't bother you and I remember calling you out on that. Still stand by that?EDIT: My mistake -- we weren't even talking about war .. we were talking about how you're fine seeing a baby shot in a movie theater:

 Jihadin wrote:

this jerkwad shot a 3 month old baby in the face and shot a 7 year old little girl IN THE BACK.

This doesn't bother me. To me thats causualties. I've been deployed to many times and seen a lot worse.

Whether I've been a soldier or a police officer has no bearing on my ability to tell the difference between them.

Maybe both of you should like, MELLOW OUT. RUle #1 people.


(when Frazzled is saying that we are truly doomed)

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
so shouting, at pepper spray holding cops "What are you going to do" isnt antagonizing?
Oh, lets not forget the fact they they where being tld to leave and refused?

Of course it's antagonizing...

Still doesn't justify a face full 'o peppa spray. Had this "mob" moved aggressively towards the po-po, then spray all you want and I hope it goes into every orifices...

But if hte kid refuses to move... arrest and fine him. Much simpler outcome.

EDIT: ninja'ed by a bunch 'o warriors.

 LordofHats wrote:

Oh, lets not forget the fact they they where being tld to leave and refused?

Never heard of sit ins have you?

That is wht sit ins are useless, you are violating the law. Do a real protest if you want change.

 Frazzled wrote:

 fishy bob wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
All I find laughable is the "Shame on you" Chant like five year olds do.

I suppose you think the mature thing would have been to retaliate with pepper spray?

Or just think something in the lines of "Oh, he's whipped out the spray can. Perhaps we're done here?"

Whenever the conversation shifts to "he" and :whipped out" the conversation is done for me...

Those aren't my words, mind. They're the words of a hypothetical protester

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Its not shouting, It is shouting at the cops who you are making a circle around and not letting them leave.

Those poor officer. A bunch of skinny kids are sitting on the ground in a circle. Better break out the batons and spray cans we're gonna have to mace these mothers or we'll never make it home in time for steak and potatoes.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
so shouting, at pepper spray holding cops "What are you going to do" isnt antagonizing?
Oh, lets not forget the fact they they where being tld to leave and refused?

That is the question. To those who are against the peppering
1. What would you have the PoPo do? (me, I'v ebeen enlightened. in an open space for a short protest, leave them alone. Maybe turn on the nearby water sprinklers heh heh heh)
2. Has anyone tested whether pepper spray works on people who eat Thai/Filipino/Mexican food on a regular basis?

I still do. Bodies don't faze me. I'm not squeamish at the sight of blood. Like Shuma told you. I have the background to stand by. You can take the moral high ground all you want and make believe I'm a killer. That attempts make me laugh and think of a possible "shelter" life you really have. If you do not know the situation then you really can't condemn, render final judgment, or prosecute a situation unless you know. You are basing your view at a personnel level and not at a professional level.

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Lordofhats. Your focus at the students on the ground. Notice how close the students were that was watching and filming. Then the chanting. That's escalation of a situation.

Situational Awareness. Both sides...well three sides because I'm including the Admin on this are wrong.

Unless you are sticking the thai food IN YOUR EYES then no it wont.

 LordofHats wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Its not shouting, It is shouting at the cops who you are making a circle around and not letting them leave.

Those poor officer. A bunch of skinny kids are sitting on the ground in a circle. Better break out the batons and spray cans we're gonna have to mace these mothers or we'll never make it home in time for steak and potatoes.

officers were told to do it by the President of the University. Don't blame the Minions. Blame Dr. Evil.

 Frazzled wrote:
in an open space for a short protest, leave them alone

Sounds reasonable to me.

 Frazzled wrote:


officers were told to do it by the President of the University. Don't blame the Minions. Blame Dr. Evil.

I'll blame them all. The officer had zero cause to spray those students. They've (presumably) been trained and should have know that was a line that tends to result in losing your job, so the argument "I had to do it or I'd be fired" is a bunch of bs. Officers have been fired for doing less than spraying some protestors so Sir Peppry Can has either been living under a rock the last 50 years or is a complete moron.

 Frazzled wrote:
officers were told to do it by the President of the University

Police officers refuse orders all the time. They fail to enforce Court orders on a near constant basis in the realm of family law, for example.


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 Jihadin wrote:
Bodies don't faze me.

That's not the question. You said you weren't bothered by children getting shot in Aurora ("just casualties"). That's a monstrous comment. It's either false and you're an Internet Tough Guy or it's true and you are a sociopath.

ITT you are pretending police are soldiers, a peaceful protest is a war zone, and U.S. civilians are insugents. It's fethed up.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


officers were told to do it by the President of the University. Don't blame the Minions. Blame Dr. Evil.

I'll blame them all. The officer had zero cause to spray those students. They've (presumably) been trained and should have know that was a line that tends to result in losing your job, so the argument "I had to do it or I'd be fired" is a bunch of bs. Officers have been fired for doing less than spraying some protestors so Sir Peppry Can has either been living under a rock the last 50 years or is a complete moron.

I respect this. Only wussies blame a few.

"Put him to the torch."
"But he's innocent!"
"we're all guilty of something."

- A Failure to Investigate Whether or Not “Non-Affiliates” in the UC Davis Occupy Encampment Were Present

- The Administration Decided to Deploy Police to Remove the Tents on Nov. 18 before Considering Other Reasonable Alternatives

- The Scope of the Police Operation to Remove the Tents Was Ineffectively Communicated, Not Clearly Understood by Key Decision-Makers, and, Accordingly, Could Not Be Adequately Evaluated as to Its Costs and Consequences

- There Were No Clear Lines Delineating the Responsibility for Decision-Making between Civilian Administrators and Police

- There Was Confusion as to the Legal Basis for the Police Operation

Wait.....campus own PD was questionable on its jurisdiction and SOP's? WTH they do. Create their own in house rules, regulations, and SOP's?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

Oh, lets not forget the fact they they where being tld to leave and refused?

Never heard of sit ins have you?

That is why sit ins are useless, you are violating the law. Do a real protest if you want change.

Ya know who else did sit-ins that violated the law? Black students during the civil rights movement during the 60s.

 Alfndrate wrote:
Ya know who else did sit-ins that violated the law?

Going by his posts so far, his answer will be "criminals."

 Manchu wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
Ya know who else did sit-ins that violated the law?

Going by his posts so far, his answer will be "criminals."

I mean... technically he's not wrong, though there was a reason these peaceful sit ins were done during OWS and the Civil Rights Movement. Because it's hard to not look like the aggressor when you remove people (especially young adults) that are just sitting there.

What it does is make the populace wonder how someone sitting quietly can be meaningfully called a criminal for sitting quietly.

Dead kids are bodies are they not? The ones that are wounded is the most important. Ignore the bodies and treat the wounded. Internet Tough Guy eh. I not beat around the bush with you Manchu. I neither like nor dislike you. To me it seems kids getting killed by others is not something you can wrap your head around or can fathom. As for the pepper spraying of these "kids" who are adults btw. The officer was nailed for not being at the proper distance was he not? Along with using unauthorized pepper spray to.

 Manchu wrote:
What it does is make the populace wonder how someone sitting quietly can be meaningfully called a criminal for sitting quietly.

When I worked for the evil Exxon corporation back in the day, we had a plant in France where protesters sat in front of the plant entrances and exits, preventing shipment of raw materials and goods into and out of the plant. Legal or no? Also, who looks like the bad guy when they're drug away?

 Manchu wrote:
What it does is make the populace wonder how someone sitting quietly can be meaningfully called a criminal for sitting quietly.

Unless they are sitting in your den and won't leave of course.