UC Davis pepper-spraying cop gets settlement larger than the students he sprayed

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**Minx**

Seaward wrote:
Minx wrote:
I must have missed that particular post. It seemed as if some posters rightfully compared the excuses of nazi war criminals, i.e. "just following orders", to a comment made by (i believe) hotsauceman1.

HR reps have used that exact excuse before, too. Comparing them to the Nazis for doing so would be just as uncalled for, because, as I'm sure you're aware, while the Nazis may well have pepper sprayed people (and banned Casual Friday, for that matter), they also went the extra mile and killed millions of people. You see, "just following orders" actually is a valid excuse when the order's lawful. Pepper spraying criminals or banning Casual Friday? Lawful. Genocide? Unlawful.

No one was compared to the Nazis. Some posters just illustrated the problems of that particular excuse in combination with unlawful actions.

**Seaward**

Alfndrate wrote:
Actually I was merely comparing the use of sit ins because another poster said sit ins were useless. I'm sure the kids on campus had probably looked to the Civil Rights Movement and saw that sit ins were a useful means of peaceful protesting.

You weren't the only person to reference the civil rights movement.

**Easy E**

So, if people think peaceful protesting is bad what is the alternative? Violent protesting?

**Da Boss**

Accepting what the man tells you to do, Easy! Unless you're in a group that we approve of (ie. not "whiny" college students) like Veterans or True American Heroes, in which case you should stand up to the jackbooted oppression of the gubbermint!

**Alfndrate**

Seaward wrote:
Alfndrate wrote:
Actually I was merely comparing the use of sit ins because another poster said sit ins were useless. I'm sure the kids on campus had probably looked to the Civil Rights Movement and saw that sit ins were a useful means of peaceful protesting.

You weren't the only person to reference the civil rights movement.

No, but I do believe I was the first to do so in this thread

. And I weighed the options because I knew that the Civil Rights Movement was far more important than college students complaining about tuition hikes amongst other things, but I did feel that the idea that sit ins weren't useless should have been brought up

**KalashnikovMarine**

Not at all. Be prepared to fight for your right to party or whatever these useless Californians wanted. Just be prepared for the consequences of your actions when you box police officers in and say you won't let them go any where.

**Frazzled**

KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Not at all. Be prepared to fight for your right to party or whatever these useless Californians wanted. Just be prepared for the consequences of your actions when you box police officers in and say you won't let them go any where.

Was Hot Fuzz actually boxed in? I didn't see that.

**KalashnikovMarine**

Did you watch the video Frazz?

**Frazzled**

KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Did you watch the video Frazz?

I have watched a video. I didn't see police being boxed in. I saw police trying to clear a protest. There may have been more or after it, hence the question.

**KalashnikovMarine**

The video I watched, at the point Pike broke out the pepper spray the LEOs were withdrawing, and were boxed in by protestors chanting "We won't let you go"

**Manchu**

Frazzled wrote:
Er...no.

Er...yes. Keeping order among soldiers is not the same thing nor done for the same reason as keeping the peace in civil society.

Frazzled wrote:
We can talk about the abuse of the military by the executive if you want but I reckon we'd end up agreeing once again and ending the world once and for all.
Thats not how it works in Bosnia and a host of peacekeeping operations.

Did you even read what you quoted?

**Frazzled**

Manchu wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Er...no.
Er...yes. Keeping order among soldiers is not the same thing nor done for the same reason as keeping the peace in civil society.
Frazzled wrote:
We can talk about the abuse of the military by the executive if you want but I reckon we'd end up agreeing once again and ending the world once and for all.
Thats not how it works in Bosnia and a host of peacekeeping operations.
Did you even read what you quoted?

MPs are police. You need to reacquaint yourself with what they are.

And again most MPs become police once they leave.

What you SHOULD be talking about is indeed the militarization of the police. I can guarantee the people living in East LA didn't think of police as police. We sure didn't.

**Manchu**

Frazzled wrote:
MPs are police. You need to reacquaint yourself with what they are.

Stop Drop and Think. MPs are soldiers assigned to police other soldiers.

Frazzled wrote:
And again most MPs become police once they leave.

Immaterial. Some might also become dentists.

Frazzled wrote:
What you SHOULD be talking about is indeed the militarization of the police.

Another classic libertarian position.

**Frazzled**

So you support the militarization of police? How NKVD of you.

**Manchu**

That's an interesting conclusion to draw from my posts ITT.

**Frazzled**

Manchu wrote:
That's an interesting conclusion to draw from my posts ITT.

Well we're both wandering a bit off course at this point so lets just move on eh?

On the positive with all the mention of pepper I'm debating enchiladas for lunch and have been informed home chili awaits for supper. yea!

**Manchu**

I hope we can at least agree that police shouldn't be conflated with soldiers.

**Frazzled**

Manchu wrote:
I hope we can at least agree that police shouldn't be conflated with soldiers.

I agree. They usually shoot much worse.