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McKenzie, TN

TheRedWingArmada wrote:Somehow I forgot this thread was here. lol. @ansacs: I don't have my rulebook infront of me right this second, however I would ask that you faq chk me about vehicle obstruction. Even if the turret counts as hull, it's not more than 25% of the Predator. That said, the strat I'm talking about above only works for units that are facing it from the front (basically facing the Vindicator shields). Positioning can break this formation, but from what I remember, this is sound, albiet a bit cheesy perhaps. I'll faq chk this myself when my bag gets back to the house with my rulebook in it, but the bit about vehicles in cover and drawing LoS. I even have the pictures in my head of that page, of Eldar Fire Dragons trying to get at a Razorback (i think?) behind a wall.

I'm not being obstinate here to be jerk, but more that this could be an extremely effective strategy for surviving armored columns. Hell, I put this together for Chaos, who doesn't necessarily sport massive vehicles. Imagine a strat like this for IG? :O

Side note: Is it Barrage or Ordinance that skimps on scatter when throwing multiple Barrage/Ordinance down range? In that the plate just flips over itself, whichever direction it scatters? That would make barrage sniping so much worse if he an IC had to deal with volleys on his head instead of just the one Whirlwind.

Good stuff. Keep'em coming!


You are probably thinking of an old rule set or the picture on pg 75 BRB where it describes needing at least 25% obscured to claim cover and shows hull down below it. 6ed is all TLoS so if you can see any part of a vehicle or model you can shoot it. The relevant quotes;
LoS
For one model to have line of sight to another, you must be able to trace a straight, unblocked line from its eyes to any part of the target's body (the head, torso, arms or legs).

Vehicles
When a unit fires at a vehicle, it must be able to see its hull or turret (ignoring the vehicle's gun barrels, antennas) decorative banner poles, etc.). Note that, unlike for other models, a vehicle's wings are not ornamental and are a part of its hull


You are indeed thinking of barrage.

@Reece
Great example of slingshot. Now hopefully this helps those Chaos players get those uber HQs into combat.

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That sounds right. 25% to catch cover for vehicles, not obscure LoS. Although the last bit about barrels and such is still applicable, except in my example where we're talking about the Predators turret and not just it's gun barrel, although it'll limit some LOS a bit. Like if you're behind a rock in the shape of a predator hull and turret. lol

So then what does Ordnance do?

And

Absolutely! Close Combat has been such a whip for me. These videos are awesome. Now I might actually try to bring Abbadon or some such character. XD

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 Tyberos the Red Wake wrote:
The Army gentleman (Anonymou5, I believe) who did the Daemon Prince and Grey Hunter videos is really informative. Is he a member of FLG or just a friend?

Already knew about the Jaws disembark procedure, but the amazing detail and thought put into model positioning was enlightening and a reminder to think hard and play smart instead of just randomly deploying.

Sacrificial charges combined with disordered charges is an amazing tip, as is spacing properly so closest models are the ones removed first AND do not interfere with multi-IC LoS for the RP.

Maybe it's just my inexperience, but I consider that some really high level play, and it's obvious that detractors of the game who label 40k as easy and brainless aren't aware of the finer points to the game.


Thanks for the kind words man, I don't work for Reece, although I'd trade in my commission to work at an awesome game store like that (based solely on outside appearance, I'm sure it has its hard moments, but from my perspective it looks like heaven).

The more you get used to deploying your models, whether out of a drop pod or normally, the more used you get to positioning them. It helps to know what your squad's job is, and assign value to each model. In a GH squad, the Rune Priest (if present) is most important, followed by the Standard (until its popped anyway), the TDA, the Special, than everyone else is a bullet shield. If you order them, you can then place them relative to threat, and relative to look out sir. I actually really like the directional combat of 6ed, it's intuitive (to me anyway) and adds a nice layer to the game.

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@Anonymou5

We definitely have fun here, haha, but we do work really, really hard, too. But, coming from your background I am sure that wouldn't be an issue!

Here's another great one from Anonymou5, you have to follow the link though, I can't embed it.

http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2013/11/20/guest-video-from-anonymou5-tips-tactics-and-dirty-tricks-grey-hunters/

   
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McKenzie, TN

@Reece and anonymou5
These tips and tricks vids are great but if you keep this up you will have too many good players in the game...people who might not need to play internet lists to win!
   
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Las Vegas, NV

Hahaha, that's ok, the game is only fun when it's challenging =)

   
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 Reecius wrote:
Warhammer 40K Tips, Tricks and Dirty Tactics; Slingshot Engage

Thanks, glad you like them! And yes, multiple barrage weapons are awesome for sniping as if you roll a few hits, they stack so many wounds on the target model, it's crazy.


Multiple barrages stack wounds on the initial target only if you roll "hit" and center the secondary Marker over the first. If the subsequent shot "flips" then you have a new center hole to allocate wounds from. A good tactic is if you roll a "hit" with the second barrage, to center that blast over a secondary target to be sniped, like a Sgt or heavy weapon.
   
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Borden

THis is good


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Las Vegas, NV

@Slayer22

Glad you like it!

@Fragile

Yes, that is a good tip for sure if there is more than one model you want to snipe. Or, you can just keep stacking wounds on the critical model you want dead, too! Multiple barrage weapons are really powerful this edition.

   
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Hey Reecius, I know you guys have been super busy, what with the Mega Mats and all (which btw look ah-mazing), but will there be more tips, tricks and dirty tactics videos in the coming weeks? Thanks!
   
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 Reecius wrote:
Warhammer 40K Tips, Tricks and Dirty Tactics; Slingshot Engage

In this episode of Frontline Gaming's Tips, Tricks and Dirty Tactics, Reecius explains the Slingshot Engage tactic and shows some of it's applications.





Not gunna lie, this was the first thing that went through my head when I read the title.



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 Ouze wrote:
I can't wait to buy one of these, open the box, peek at the sprues, and then put it back in the box and store it unpainted for years.
 
   
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 rtunian wrote:
Hey Reecius, I know you guys have been super busy, what with the Mega Mats and all (which btw look ah-mazing), but will there be more tips, tricks and dirty tactics videos in the coming weeks? Thanks!

Bumping and wondering whether we'll see any army specific videos? (the general ones are great, though)

 
   
 
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