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OP are there any more out yet?
looking foward to the series

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
OP are there any more out yet?
looking foward to the series

I believe I can translate this into internet lingo for everyone.

I don't know why people give Rhino's such a bad name. The fact that they can be mobile terrain (especially in the 6E of Shooting) makes up for their point costs right off the bat.

As has been pointed out though, this strat works for any vehicle that can be a distraction. I actually saw this in a picture in the Chaos Codex, which gave me a genius idea for when I finally get mechanized; Put a Vindicator out front (24' pie plate) and park a Predator tank behind it. Essentially, they carry the same profile (shape, height, etc) so the Predator will be mostly obscured behind the big vindicator tossing pies in front. Here is the real kicker though: The Pred's big cannon and sponsons could still shoot from around the vindicator. If a Mech player was adamant enough, he could run all of his vehicles in a big conga train where the enemy can only ever shoot the one in front, while everything behind is shooting over their shoulders = winning.

And if you have a mind like I, then you're probably marching a Warpsmith along with them and keeping all the bits and pieces working. And did I mention you gave yourself almost 12' of intervening terrain for your infantry to march alongside? This becomes equally vicious when you start hiding Walkers in your convoy's shadow, in case someone gets cute and tries to Termicide your rear armor.

One more "strat" that I can't wait to employ, which makes this convoy train even more deadly. Apoc formation for Vindicators. Go three wide, creating a wall of S10 AP1 pie plates to bring down, then fit those preds or cannon equivalent behind the wall and watch your enemy lament at only ever getting front armor values and never hitting the armor behind it. IG with their big Basalisk cannons probably take advantage of this better. Put Leman Russ out front to soak up shots while the big guns rain hell from afar.

I should've been an Iron Warrior. XD

The only reasons I frown upon Rhinos are because they give up first blood so easily, other than that they do exactly what they need to.

 g0atsticks wrote:
The only reasons I frown upon Rhinos are because they give up first blood so easily, other than that they do exactly what they need to.

Liberal use of Smoke Launchers on the first turn, the 5+ cover save definitely helps avoid the dead Rhino syndrome.

We'll be making more this week everyone, thanks so much for the positive feedback!

I love my mobile pill boxes. Sure they die a lot but for 35 points if they save me two dead marines they have almost made their points back. And on those occasions they are ignored I get really silly and do my best to box my foes in with them. Heck I have even killed a scoring deff dread off an objective by ramming it from behind with them before. Boy was that Warboss peeved by that.

Nice!

Yeah, I use 6 typically in my Tournament list and their uses are not super obvious but the more you play with them the more you pick up on how to use them to your advantage. Even when they get wrecked, they're still a great way to hide your troops.

 Reecius wrote:
Even when they get wrecked, they're still a great way to hide your troops.

The Orks have been doing that for years with Trukks!

Indeed they do! And I play a 6 Trukk list, too! Haha, I love my transports, apparently =P


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When I finally get some rhino's in my army, I plan on taking Combi-Melta's/Flamers with them. <--CSM

The idea of charging headlong into battle and dropping a melta shot into the front of a rhino and making it explode seems hilarious to me. Or, in the other case, rolling into an enemy horde and dropping a template before dumping my troops out.

Good dreams.

Ack, it's been so long since I've seen someone set up a tank snipe! Keep me coming guys!

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New Video on FMC tactics! I can't embed this on in the thread, so I have to linky to Frontline Gaming: http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2013/10/30/tips-tricks-and-dirty-tactics-flying-monstrous-creatures/

@theredwingarmada

Chaos Rhinos are actually better than the loyalist version (for a change of pace!) as the combi weapons and, more importantly, Dirge Casters are absolutely awesome!

@Bobaram

Right?! Haha, us old timers forget that some of these old school tactics are still useful and that the younger crew have never even heard of them before.

I know! I put my rhino around my guys all the time, and it drives them nuts because they've never thought of it. I'd completely forgotten about tank sniping though, that's gonna cause all sorts of fun at my FLGS!

Yeah, all the phoey about transports sucking this edition is largely unfounded. I am a fairly "hardcore" tournament player and I always use them. I wasn't but then with Chaos and Tau making Marines in the open as good as dead, I had to adapt and then I started remembering all of these old tricks and wanted to share them.

I think overall it's just the prevalence of net lists now. People want to pack so much firepower into their lists they're scraping every point they can off the bottom of the barrel. And when tons of people all play the same list and say that something sucks the rest of them all follow. I'm not hardcore, but it's super fun to just mess with people like this. I had a guy laugh at my Standard Termies and my Vanguard Marines with Jump Packs, right up until the Termies Deepstrike killed his Predator with a rear shot Assault Cannon, or when my Vanguard Vets Landed with alll Plasma Pistols and Melt-Bombs, Funnest way I've ever had of taking out tanks.

I still like using a stock Razorback, and holding back until turn 3 or 4 and then plowing out there after most of the threats have been dealt with to contest the middle ground.

Let me preface by saying that I'm thankful to see & learn more! However, regarding tank sniping, I'm not convinced that this works as well as you have shown it, for tanks on a rhino platform. I have 2 concerns here:

1) Although there is indeed a narrow sliver of a gap between the treads, that sliver spreads out in an angle towards the top of the hull. Additionally, the closest point between the two rhinos is lower than the height of a standard marine's eye level. With 2 rhinos positioned facing each other at some angle, this means that the marine wouldn't be looking through the narrow gap between the treads, but through the much wider triangular area above that point. Positioning 2 rhinos similar to the video (rhinos perpendicular with a 0.25 inch gap between the treads) makes the standard marine's eye-level gap about 1 inch, so the viewing angle is really much larger than just the nearness of the 2 rhinos.

2) Concern #1 is mitigated by distance from the gap. The closer you are to a gap in a wall, the more you can see through it. As such, the models in the back of the conga line would have their LOS reduced by a much greater degree than the models in the front.

If the tanks are side by side and facing the same direction, with the shooting models directly behind, then the viewing gap between the rhinos is uniform width from top to bottom. Any increase in angle between the rhinos increases the viewing gap at a standard marine's eye level (due to the 45 degree angle down the front 1.25 inches of the rhino model). This gap increases up until the rhinos are "nose to nose", where the angle coming up from the closest point between the hulls to the tops of the rhinos is around 90 degrees.

Can someone who knows the relevant math please advise of how far a model would have to be from a 1" gap in a wall to have an angle of view through that gap of around 5 degrees?

Tank Sniping + Focus Fire, the two could synergise will.

For example, may only need one tank to block off a single side of a unit, with the other side being mostly in cover, save for a specific model.

Ha, Late! Where is the like button. FLG, you guys rock!

Very nice video. An alternate to Rhino scoping is Friendly (focus) Fire. Basically, select an enemy unit in the open and position your own models to give part of the unit cover (exactly like using Rhinos to block LoS) and then focus fire. This is a lot better for armies like Nids who don't have Rhinos available, but you can use some gants to block off part of a marine squad, then elect to focus fire the other models (i.e. the one with a flamer or gravgun). Great videos, keep em coming!

I'm of the school that if your predator can shoot at me, I can shoot back at you. Sure, the Vindie gives you cover. I'll still want the shot.

Good vid on the rhino sniping. It would be improved if you could get the camera zoomed down to look along the LoS of the models so people can actually see it works. It is definitely a good tip though.

Thanks for doing this! It's a great way to look at similar tactics and utilize your assets efficiently.

Exalted!

 ansacs wrote:
Good vid on the rhino sniping. It would be improved if you could get the camera zoomed down to look along the LoS of the models so people can actually see it works. It is definitely a good tip though.

That could work, or maybe bring a laser pointer into it so we can see where the red dot goes from he guys head in situations like this. Would make it clear to some people exactly what the model is looking at.

Very nice idea Reece, will have to give these a watch later on.

Thanks for all the feedback guys! Much appreciated and yes, we were going to do a video on Focus Fire sniping next, actually! It works with Rhino Scoping, too.

As for the slant on the armor of the Rhino, you can always turn them at different angles to avoid that. It is actually really easy to do this trick.

We have a list of more to come that keeps growing, funny how many little tricks of the trade you pick up over the years that a lot of folks are new to, so it's cool to share the info!

 Reecius wrote:
Thanks for all the feedback guys! Much appreciated and yes, we were going to do a video on Focus Fire sniping next, actually! It works with Rhino Scoping, too.

As for the slant on the armor of the Rhino, you can always turn them at different angles to avoid that. It is actually really easy to do this trick.

We have a list of more to come that keeps growing, funny how many little tricks of the trade you pick up over the years that a lot of folks are new to, so it's cool to share the info!

Experience, you can't put a price on it.

It's good be good for something as it goes hand in hand with getting old! haha

Best battle reports on YouTube.

Now, best tips and tricks on YouTube?