6E Dark Eldar Wishlist

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**Barbarus**

Following on the coat tails of similar threads - "What should the 6E tyranid book look like?" "Sisters of battle wishlist" etc -- what would you guys like to see in a new Dark Eldar book? One can only hope that the black-clad buggers make it into the update cycle before 7e sets in. It doesn't seem the 6e changes were kind to their 5th edition book.

What would you like to see in this far-off update?

**Furyou Miko**

Workable Mandrakes.

**Barbarus**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Workable Mandrakes.

They are such pretty, if completely useless, models. Making them good would be fantastic.

**Extreaminatus**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Workable Mandrakes.

Thread done, please close.

**Shredder**

A way to make assault wyches work again. Maybe their dodge save could be taken against overwatch or they have some grenade that prevents overwatch.

A decent armour save on jet bikes.

The webway portal to work again.

vector dancer on the flyers.

A good court of the archon.

It'd never happen, but a transport capacity of 6 on a venom would be amazing.

Haywire grenades on scourges.

A portable version of the disintegrator cannon (imagine a trueborn unit rocking 4 of them)

Trueborn should be able to take ghostplate armour.

I'm sure there's loads more, but that will do for now.

**Makutsu**

Full Reserve allowed and enter anywhere on the table or from specific web way portal points.

**MeanGreenStompa**

We need to bring back that evasiveness to the army, stealth for the flyers to make them difficult to shoot out of the sky, healthy saves for the infantry to protect them from firing squads.

Perfect Incubi into Terminator and monster killers.

Make Mandrakes viable with a healthy save and a purpose, also perhaps give them a mist or shadow AoE like the ork KFF so it affects other units and provides a utility.

Increase some weaponry range.

**asimo77**

Dark Eldar don't feel fast to me anymore, or at least not as fast as they should be. With our prudish cousins getting things like Battle Focus I think we should get some nifty, sneaky rules. Perhaps something like the old Fleet of Foot, or changes to how we can assault out of transports.

Also warlord traits, I find them to be fun, characterful additions to 6th ed rulebooks.

Of course we probably won't get a new book for about a decade...

**Mr Morden**

Lots of stuff is already good so for me its tweeks

Change Witches back from tank hunters to infanty/ Monster killers - I think the Dark Elf versions- Sisters of Slaughter especially show the way.

Take individual members of the Court.

**Mushkilla**

Some form of reserve manipulation, and solid webway portal rules. Maybe some night fight control, and improved power from pain to fit the current edition.

Other then that the current codex is pretty solid, better than it was in 5th in my experience.

**barit**

asimo77 wrote:
Dark Eldar don't feel fast to me anymore, or at least not as fast as they should be.

THIS +9000!

Let me travel 12" in my fast skimmers and shoot the transporting models at full BS
Give me a more point effective flyer, twin link my weapons!
Smart Missile Systems auto-miss skimmers!
Give incubi grenades
Make grotesques more beefy in combat
AV10...
We are a paper thing shooty/combat army - give us something to get into combat better/easier Overwatch just nukes us too hard.
Open top skimmers should be more forgiving on destroyed results.

**oraj**

I'd say reserve manipulation and being faster would be enough. Dark Eldar are meant to be glass cannons.

I also hate to see half of my wyches die on Overwatch though. Perhaps they can make it up by being stronger in melee.

**Barbarus**

oraj wrote:
I'd say reserve manipulation and being faster would be enough. Dark Eldar are meant to be glass cannons.

I also hate to see half of my wyches die on Overwatch though. Perhaps they can make it up by being stronger in melee.

Wyches should definitely have some kind of shinobi smoke grenade way to circumvent overwatch. CSM get dubstep speakers on their rhinos that drop the bass to prevent overwatch, so it isn't as though it hasn't been done before.

Giving them access to the eldar move-shoot-move trick would be pretty sweet as well.

**oraj**

Barbarus wrote:
oraj wrote:
I'd say reserve manipulation and being faster would be enough. Dark Eldar are meant to be glass cannons.

I also hate to see half of my wyches die on Overwatch though. Perhaps they can make it up by being stronger in melee.

Wyches should definitely have some kind of shinobi smoke grenade way to circumvent overwatch. CSM get dubstep speakers on their rhinos that drop the bass to prevent overwatch, so it isn't as though it hasn't been done before.

Giving them access to the eldar move-shoot-move trick would be pretty sweet as well.

Yeah, I run my Dark Eldar with Eldar allies and Battle Focus sure is nifty. Move, shoot run back to cover is really cool, especially with stuff like War Walkers.

I think the Wyches could have rule like this: a leadership test to let you shoot overwatch. I mean you're attempting to shoot at bunch of angry men and women, who you know to be killing machines, screaming and charging into your face.

**Rotary**

A tweak to the pain token system would be nice. I don't think it would make de overpowered to give them feel no pain off the bat. By the time i got that token on my wyches i had usually already lost most of them.

**AnomanderRake**

Move/fire with Warriors in a Raider would be entertaining. Possibly evil man-portable Eldar Missile Launchers too, just to give them a more versatile option.

**Arbiter_Shade**

oraj wrote:
Barbarus wrote:
oraj wrote:
I'd say reserve manipulation and being faster would be enough. Dark Eldar are meant to be glass cannons.

I also hate to see half of my wyches die on Overwatch though. Perhaps they can make it up by being stronger in melee.

Wyches should definitely have some kind of shinobi smoke grenade way to circumvent overwatch. CSM get dubstep speakers on their rhinos that drop the bass to prevent overwatch, so it isn't as though it hasn't been done before.

Giving them access to the eldar move-shoot-move trick would be pretty sweet as well.

Yeah, I run my Dark Eldar with Eldar allies and Battle Focus sure is nifty. Move, shoot run back to cover is really cool, especially with stuff like War Walkers.

I think the Wyches could have rule like this: a leadership test to let you shoot overwatch. I mean you're attempting to shoot at bunch of angry men and women, who you know to be killing machines, screaming and charging into your face.

As a Tyranid player I kinda laughed at the idea that Wyches are scarier than anything Tyranid related....

Then I thought this should just be in the BRB under Overwatch. That made a WHOLE lot more sense. Great idea!

**Barbarus**

Arbiter_Shade wrote:
oraj wrote:
Barbarus wrote:
oraj wrote:
I'd say reserve manipulation and being faster would be enough. Dark Eldar are meant to be glass cannons.

I also hate to see half of my wyches die on Overwatch though. Perhaps they can make it up by being stronger in melee.

Wyches should definitely have some kind of shinobi smoke grenade way to circumvent overwatch. CSM get dubstep speakers on their rhinos that drop the bass to prevent overwatch, so it isn't as though it hasn't been done before.

Giving them access to the eldar move-shoot-move trick would be pretty sweet as well.

Yeah, I run my Dark Eldar with Eldar allies and Battle Focus sure is nifty. Move, shoot run back to cover is really cool, especially with stuff like War Walkers.

I think the Wyches could have rule like this: a leadership test to let you shoot overwatch. I mean you're attempting to shoot at bunch of angry men and women, who you know to be killing machines, screaming and charging into your face.

As a Tyranid player I kinda laughed at the idea that Wyches are scarier than anything Tyranid related....

Then I thought this should just be in the BRB under Overwatch. That made a WHOLE lot more sense. Great idea!

agreed! That would make things a whole lot more interesting.

**Wilytank**

Ancient Doom for delicious Dark Space Elves!

**oraj**

Arbiter_Shade wrote:
oraj wrote:
Barbarus wrote:
oraj wrote:
I'd say reserve manipulation and being faster would be enough. Dark Eldar are meant to be glass cannons.

I also hate to see half of my wyches die on Overwatch though. Perhaps they can make it up by being stronger in melee.

Wyches should definitely have some kind of shinobi smoke grenade way to circumvent overwatch. CSM get dubstep speakers on their rhinos that drop the bass to prevent overwatch, so it isn't as though it hasn't been done before.

Giving them access to the eldar move-shoot-move trick would be pretty sweet as well.

Yeah, I run my Dark Eldar with Eldar allies and Battle Focus sure is nifty. Move, shoot run back to cover is really cool, especially with stuff like War Walkers.

I think the Wyches could have rule like this: a leadership test to let you shoot overwatch. I mean you're attempting to shoot at bunch of angry men and women, who you know to be killing machines, screaming and charging into your face.

As a Tyranid player I kinda laughed at the idea that Wyches are scarier than anything Tyranid related....

Then I thought this should just be in the BRB under Overwatch. That made a WHOLE lot more sense. Great idea!

Yeah but charging blue fish might not as scary as a tyranid or a psycho elf. Besides, the Fear special rule is kind of like this. And the Snap Shot nature of the overwatch could be argued to represent this anyways. But this rule would be cool nonetheless.

**rohansoldier**

While I am not ungrateful for the buffs my (Craftworld) Eldar have received with their new codex, at least the Dark Eldar can still assault out of their, admittedly, paper thin, vehicles.

It is so hard to get a meaningful assault off with banshees or vehicle mounted scorpions these days. At least scorpions can infiltrate which helps a bit.

That being said, the things I would like to see for dark eldar are:

Vehicle mounted terrorfexes - prevent overwatch for nearby enemies

Mandrakes to start with a pain token, therefore getting their shooting attack from the get go

Options for combat weapons on the mandrakes and their squad leader

An option to make reavers or scourges Troops (probably with a special character), although the force org manipulation in the book is pretty good already.

Options for an Archon or Succubus to ride a jetbike again.

Plastic kits for the void raven, grotesques, wracks, incubi and mandrakes plus all special characters released

Battle Fury (the Dark Eldar version of Battle Focus like the Dark Elves have Murderous Prowess instead of Martial Prowess in Fantasy) - Let Dark Eldar units run and assault

**oraj**

rohansoldier wrote:
While I am not ungrateful for the buffs my (Craftworld) Eldar have received with their new codex, at least the Dark Eldar can still assault out of their, admittedly, paper thin, vehicles.

It is so hard to get a meaningful assault off with banshees or vehicle mounted scorpions these days. At least scorpions can infiltrate which helps a bit.

That being said, the things I would like to see for dark eldar are:

Vehicle mounted terrorfexes - prevent overwatch for nearby enemies

Mandrakes to start with a pain token, therefore getting their shooting attack from the get go

Options for combat weapons on the mandrakes and their squad leader

An option to make reavers or scourges Troops (probably with a special character), although the force org manipulation in the book is pretty good already.

Options for an Archon or Succubus to ride a jetbike again.

Plastic kits for the void raven, grotesques, wracks, incubi and mandrakes plus all special characters released

Battle Fury (the Dark Eldar version of Battle Focus like the Dark Elves have Murderous Prowess instead of Martial Prowess in Fantasy) - Let Dark Eldar units run and assault

Yeah I definitely like the idea of vehicles having an upgrade that prevents overwatches.