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So i played a game against Dark Eldar vs Orks the other day and my buddy ran vect and used this ability that's a small blast and wounds based off of failing Leadership,

Now with orks mob rule, if he targets a Squad of 10 Lootas do i roll against leadership 10? or Leadership 7? Just curious as too what should be done,

I don't know the specific rules for this special ability, or if this ability actually exists or not and if my friend is a clever gak...

Leadership 10, as every model in the unit replaces their Ld stat with the number of models in the unit. Clearly explained in the Mob rule rule.

First, it does not wound off of failed Leadership. It is a weapon that wounds off of Leadership instead of Toughness (this means that you basically replace all instances of "Toughness" in the shooting rules with "Leadership").
Second, Orks Ld is either whatever the profile says, or equal to the number of orcs in the unit (max Ld10).

So if you have a weapon that wounds against Leadership, If there were 7 or fewer models in the Ork unit, you would use the Orks normal Leadership. if there were 8+ you would use the number of Orks in the squad.

Unless you wanted to make the orks easier to kill, of course. You are not forced to use the higher Ld value...

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Unless you wanted to make the orks easier to kill, of course. You are not forced to use the higher Ld value...

Check out p7. "If a unit includes models with different leadership values, always use the highest Leadership from among them."

I imagine that the Mob Rule just states that the mob leadership value "is" the number of models, or 10, rather than the player being able to choose.

aight cool thats how we played it, But i didnt know if i was being a dick for being like lolol ld 10. thanks for the clarification.

 Flinty wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Unless you wanted to make the orks easier to kill, of course. You are not forced to use the higher Ld value...

Check out p7. "If a unit includes models with different leadership values, always use the highest Leadership from among them."

I imagine that the Mob Rule just states that the mob leadership value "is" the number of models, or 10, rather than the player being able to choose.

Using the highest is for Ld tests. Also the ork player chooses which of the two values he is going to use.

The only time I could think that you would use the lower value was if you were charged by Hammernators. Assuming the orks aren't all killed, you would opt to use the lower value to increase your chance of fleeing, and then use the higher number to regroup.

 Flinty wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Unless you wanted to make the orks easier to kill, of course. You are not forced to use the higher Ld value...

Check out p7. "If a unit includes models with different leadership values, always use the highest Leadership from among them."

I imagine that the Mob Rule just states that the mob leadership value "is" the number of models, or 10, rather than the player being able to choose.

1) There is no leadership test being taken here. This is a comparison of S to Ld,
2) The ork codex is explicit that you can choose to replace the Ld stat (7, or 9 for a warboss) with the number of boyz in the mob. If you do so then they no longer have Ld 7 / 9, they have Ld (number of boyz) - meaning there IS no lowest leadership; every single model will have the same leadership.

It is always a choice, so if there were 5 being hit with this item in a unit I could choose to use Ld5 to make them more likely to die.

OK, now here is a question. Let's assume that for a moment that you have a Nob and a 3 boyz. Could you use the number of the models (4) as the Leadership when rolling to Wound (I don't know why you want more wounds but whatever), and then use the normal Leadership of the Nob to determine if it would cause ID?

Yes, as it states you can choose at any point - you never are locked in to a specific value it seems.