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Necros wrote: Looking at it more, I guess a big rulebook + 19 minis isn't bad for a $99 pledge, but you don't get any freebies with that level. So you add in a titan model for $61 more to get bonus items? Seems kinda high but I guess that's to cover the freebies. And then $300 to get 2 starters, 2 titans and 2 rulebooks seems kinda silly. I would have liked to see a 2 player starter pledge.. 1 rulebook & 2 starter / allegiance boxes.
Also kinda on the fence cuz I was looking forward to Runewars from Fantasy Flight.. don't think I can invest in 2 different big army games right now and I was saving for that one.
Also this.
Runewars is set to be Jan/Feb. After playing that at Gencon, that will be my new game purchase getting heavily into RW.
Maybe they will add more or a 2 player set, but I doubt it.
Yeah, my issue is that the expansions are so expensive for what they are that, unless I was getting a starter to just have as a standalone, I wouldn't be getting it, and the starter 2-pack is so expensive at the moment, that I couldn't justify getting that as a standalone.
IDK, maybe something will change and their deals will become awesome, but not seeing it.
I think there is a certain level of expectation for Kickstarters these days:
My own are (once they have got my interest with pretty pics and renders)
I expect there to be freebies and exclusives.
I expect it to be late (and won't complain if it is)
I expect retail to get it first (even if the KS says otherwise) and won't complain if it is.
Unless its a small company I want to support I tend to need something to make it worth the bother of doing the kick starter, otherwise I might as well wait, get it retail discount with free postage.
Looking at this one it does not really fulfil the above so will keep an eye on it and see what happens but otherwise wait till retail
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(Burning guys get less because I assume the models they have in one unit are bigger and so 2 to a base?)
Even so I do agree the price is offputting.
Burning guys do get the benefit of having 9 unique sculpts for their grunts vs 5 for everyone else. On the other hand, having them all be clearly unique individuals rather than uniformed grunts or faceless horde monsters is a bit of a drawback, since it looks like they want you to field multiple groups of those.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: The freebies/ stretches should be enticing though. They aren't. 25k goals for things that are going to be done anyways (like the online cards) aren't all that substantial of goals.
And the tangible rewards so far- a shirt? A patch? Yet another fate deck?
I'd like to see a few new models added to each faction at least.
The meh stretch goals may be a factor of the seemingly artificially low funding goal of $75k for 40+ new sculpts (4 of them big guys). But effectively 3 units per side with no choice of commanders does make the game look very limited when you compare it to Warmachine (which also has a lower entry point). Seeing new troop options add ons and some exclusive models would get the total moving more.
Edit - just saw they have a stretch goal for commanders and some add-ons I cant seem to find info on. So a step in the right direction.
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Assuming the tiers are designed with the stretch goals in mind, examining what is gotten now is sensible, but presumably a more accurate sense of 'value' will only be available in the final days.
I mean, I get it. People need to look at this and say "yeah, I'll give you my $100/$200/$300+ for that", and then the deal gets better and everyone is happier.
But they have to basically ask for people to contribute *now* (at a worse value) in order to justify the final boxes *later* (at a better value), unless their business model is wonky as hell.
It's kind of a backwards thing about Kickstarter; you have to convince enough people that your gakky deal is good enough to get to the awesome one later (if it exists, of course).
If the tiers were priced strictly to provide a good deal as it is without anything else added in, then paying for the extra bits becomes unwieldy.
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Jacksmiles wrote: They've reworked the current stretch goals map, didn't change anything already unlocked but the next 3 goal levels now all include models.
Unfortunately the first two are just add-ons rather than free models so can't see that much help at drawing people in, only the final one is a freebie (alternate commander for each faction. although the gibbering horde appears to have 3 models, possibly all same sculpt?).
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Jacksmiles wrote: They've reworked the current stretch goals map, didn't change anything already unlocked but the next 3 goal levels now all include models.
Unfortunately the first two are just add-ons rather than free models so can't see that much help at drawing people in, only the final one is a freebie (alternate commander for each faction).
I agree, but if they continue with a model inclusion at each stretch goal, we'll get to more freebies faster, but that's an "if" that I'm just hopeful will continue. At least it shows they're actively listening to the comments, if nothing else. I do wish there were more visible freebies though, or that the first freebies weren't at the 300% mark.
Part of me just wants to get a bunch of random sculpts to mess with, but the add on prices certainly aren't conducive to random impulse add ons currently.
I really don't know how many of those PVC units they're going to be able to move at retail at 45 dollars either.
Wrath of Kings is made in a similar material, and that line has seen plenty of mark downs already, and they've been putting out new units since the Kickstarter too. I dunno.
Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!
I find the posing of the Titans a bit static, but that's just me. Not liking that Horde Titan's pose especially, which is frustrating as that's the faction I really want.
Of course once the Abyssinia mechanized infantry show up that may change.
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PurpleEcho wrote: Don't you find the Titans to be really underwhelming? there's such a lack of detail. Bland!
The painted titans are the original test prints. You can tell because the poses have changed a bit - watch the allegiances video. They probably had them painted a while ago while working on the material.
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Two Malifaux figures were made with PVC and were not sold in LFGS stores as far as I know. All other Malifaux figures are all made with polystyrene and come unassembled on sprues like GW's models do. They're not quite at the detail that GW's achieved but they're still very high quality. Wyrd uses the same company that Poots uses to make his Kingdom Death kits.
PurpleEcho wrote: Don't you find the Titans to be really underwhelming? there's such a lack of detail. Bland!
Not bland, but I think they're missing out on the kind of character a faction/range gets only when it's been livign and breathing for a while. But then again I feel about half of the WMH cols/gargs suffer from the same, and the new ones comign out have greatly improved due to the time between releases.
I'm still greatly interested in ToS. My onyl real misgivings are the fire team bases seem clunky and obtrusive into the esthetic on the table, and the speed at which it looks possible to cross the table, although taht was based ona single rules demo video.
Having said taht I'll probably wait until retail. The game is funded, and in the meantime I can spend the money to familiarise myself with malifaux.
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spiralingcadaver wrote: Breotan, yeah, I was referring to those 2 sets, and at least aionus was at my FLGS. Wouldn't be griping about price value if they were in their HIPS.
I thought the KS implied they were using the same PVC as those 2.
They posted an update about the PVC they're using for TOS. It's a different mix I guess (I don't know anything about PVC), like they've upgraded the quality. I can't get on kickstarter from work to post the exact wording but reading that update may give you more insight.
Hey everyone,
We wanted to take a minute to talk about our models. We know there has been some concern over PVC, etc, and we wanted to do what we could to provide you with more information.
PVC is a type of plastic, but it doesn't come only one way. PVC is actually a very large spectrum of plastic, and the quality of PVC depends greatly on where you are on that spectrum. Many of you probably have experience with some of the cheap PVC, and we're sure some of you have been very happy with some PVC in the past.
When we talk about using PVC in this project, we are talking about using the best PVC we could get our hands on. We put resources into the material, and we're actually using a custom PVC blend in order to increase the quality to the highest point we can get it. This is night and day compared to low quality PVC. We love miniatures, and we did not skimp on these... but it also means that the PVC is expensive.
What's more, we are using a different type of tooling than PVC normally uses. Most of the time, people are getting iron molds that press together, created from rapid prototyping of the models. In our case, we've gone directly from sculpt to mold, allowing us to avoid losing anything in translation. We are also not using the standard iron molds -- we are using a new type of mold that should give us better quality from the mold alone.
Improved molding and custom blends of PVC have led us to develop miniatures we are very happy with. They have some flexibility to stand up to wear and tear (no problem putting them in cases!), but they are also rigid for painting and detail.
We understand that everyone has different experiences with miniatures and PVC specifically, so we encourage you to make up your own minds. We have provided some videos looking at prototype models. When we get production models in (which will be during the Kickstarter), we will show them off. We will also send them to a variety of reviewers so they can weigh in with their thoughts.
We have put a lot of resources and dedication into making these miniatures the best that we can. We hope that you'll get them and love them yourself. Hopefully this helps you make an informed decision about how you want to pledge your hard-earned money.
They have said that the bases will be thinner than this.
I think those titans look fantastic, but that's me.
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That big guy is nicely designed but really boringly posed.
It does look like he could play a piano while balancing on a barrel though, so that niche is covered.
CMON PVC is great, if this is close then I think 99% of people will be happy. I'm not a huge fan of Wyrd's HIPS minis though so I'm not sure I trust their interpretation of quality when it comes to casts.
Yeah, really my concern was when Aionus was announced as PVC, I mentioned the issues with it and Nathan vouched for it being good PVC and it turned out to be decidedly average- not terrible, but I wouldn't have bought the mini had he not oversold it.
Just to address the discussion around the material used, I don't thinkanyone has shared these videos from the KS yet:
You get a godd, up close look at the material. In another video they say these are just prototypes, and the newer models have a greater level fo details.
They seem fine to me. Some give, but not excessive. Although I'll still probably wait for retail and get some in my hands first before buying.
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