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MaxT wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
This seems to be heading to the failure category. I tought it would have done a lot better than that

It's funded?

It also comes down to expectations from a known brand and company. $200k for a new company kickstarting a new game is incredible. $200k for a company with the size and name recognition of Wyrd is a failure.

Through the Breach only made $241k all told. It's received a huge amount of support from the company with dozens of one shot adventures, several full campaigns and three faction specific expansions - they wouldn't be producing these if they weren't making money off the game. The Other Side has almost made as much in it's first week.

And if it's anything like *most* campaigns (not all, but most I've seen) it'll probably waffle for a few weeks. Now is just the holding pattern, it's time for getting the word of mouth out, advertising (company based and fan based alike), etc.

Barring a *big* surprise (an awesome LE sculpt, opening the vault on a beloved or highly sought after previous LE, something that requires participation or getting gouged on the secondary market), I imagine we probably won't see much dramatic movement until the last few days.

For now it's more about holding the line than rushing forward. The 48 hour reminder emails will likely do more for progress than much Wyrd can do short of doubling the tier contents (provided to emphasize the absurdity, obviously they aren't going to do that)

 Breotan wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
I really don't understand why Wyrd does kickstarters.

I think they see it as a quick infusion of cash to pay bills for product development.

They did that for Through the Breach. This product is developed. Like, really. They've been showing renders and master prints for a year. They've had the rules in development for several years, and in closed public testing for the last year. They're showing final art and final unit cards. The development is mostly done.

This kickstarter is for the initial production run. Rather than launch with one box per Allegiance and a rulebook, and then wait every month for a new unit, they want to launch the game with a larger range of available models.

I'm sure the 500 people who end up playing the game will appreciate that. :-p

As was stated above, a company the size of Wyrd, trying to leverage a generally well regarded IP like Malifaux, and getting these results, can be spun all you want... but its a failure.

From what I can tell, Wyrd really isn't a very large company. Malifaux has been a pretty successful game in terms of getting attention in the market, but the company itself is pretty small. Skirmish games, for all of their advantages, just don't require the volume of product to make the kind of sales you see out of something like PP or GW. I'd guess this is, if nothing else, an attempt to create a product that can support a larger company.

They've put up stretch goals to 500k. There's a few free units in there. If you pledge at the Commander level you get enough to play a full 2 commander game which is nice if it reaches 500k.

I'll admit I'm more interested in this game than KD 1.5.

(I just don't have the kind of gaming group that would be into Body Horror and Giant Penis Monsters, so that's a bit of a limiter there...)

If this one gets 'good enough', I can see jumping in towards the last week.

Yeah, while I personally think KD:M is a cool game, the body horror thing appeals to me and I like cooperative monster hunting. I used to be addicted to Monster Hunter, afterall.

But I can't get my group at all to try cooperative games. They're big into The Walking Dead, and won't touch my copy of Zombicide. They all adore Star Wars, but won't touch my copy of Imperial Assault. Add to that two of them are my nephews, one of which is still in primary school, and penis and boob monsters are out.

I think we're missing the big question about ToS, and that is what shall the nickname be? MaliHordes or Warmafaux?

 .Mikes. wrote:
I think we're missing the big question about ToS, and that is what shall the nickname be? MaliHordes or Warmafaux?

I'll just be going with TOS. There's no real reason to mix Warmachine names into it. Warmachine and Hores are mashed together because as games they mash together. The Other Side is entirely separate from Malifaux.

Warmachine and Hordes are intercompatible enough that they're the same game.

Malifaux and TOS only share a model scale of 32mm. They're otherwise literally incompatible games. 40k and Fantasy Age of SpaceMarines Sigmar are more compatible with one another than TOS and Malifaux are.

Anybody that doesn't like this game is...

Not a complete TOSer?

 plastictrees wrote:
Not a complete TOSer?

Winner!

TOS reads as "terms of service" to me.

We need to find something else!

To be honest, I'm not a fan of the name "The Other Side" nor TOS either. It's awkward. However, it does indirectly advertise Malifaux as the main line.

I suggest:
TOtS or TOTS

It's a pronounceable word, has a letter per syllable, and acronyms are allowed to do that. Let's make it a thing.

 Alpharius wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
Not a complete TOSer?

Winner!

TOS reads as "terms of service" to me.

We need to find something else!

I keep seeing The Original Series.

Not too sure I want to play Terms of Service, which is what I keep seeing.

I think it does start to look like a good deal if it hits 500k.

If.

I hope it does.

At the very least even if I can't find any opponents, I can get a lot of use out of these guys. That Gibbering Hordes army is an instant Forces of Nature army for Kings of War as well.
The Cult is piles of instant Chaos spawn adn fun for all sorts of horror- related games.

As strange as it is for me to say I hope the Hordes get something other than nondescript fishmen. They need some lizards up in there!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Not too sure I want to play Terms of Service, which is what I keep seeing.

I think it does start to look like a good deal if it hits 500k.

If.

I hope it does.

Actually 450k to be a good deal. At 450k, Commander level pladges get a free second Commander, a free Adjunct, a free Squad and a free Champion. 475k unlocks large Champions, but they're not free. 500k unlocks a limited edition model (maybe two, they didn't say if Bihn was limited edition) which sound like they've got something to do with the unannounced 'syndicates'. Thrace is part of the Guild syndicate.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
As strange as it is for me to say I hope the Hordes get something other than nondescript fishmen. They need some lizards up in there!

Well, they've alredy got Sea Louse' (Karkinoi), and Armoured Whelks (Hermit Crabs) are coming. They can be seen in the Allegiances video, and in the below artwork. Also in the below artwork it appears their 'large Champion' may be Godzilla.

Oh, believe me, I've been keeping an eye on the Horde.

Big lizzy knocking over a building will be mine, most definitely.

Looks like a quadruped though. I know my kid is eager for that model as well.

Looks more like the Dwarven Dragon in Age of Sigmar than Godzilla

I think Malifaux and the Other Side together sounds pretty good. Too much abbreviations used on the internet.

He could also be Cult of the Burning Man. The blue lights are making me think Gibbering Hordes, because it matches the glowing tail of the Striped Skulker in the same picture. Cults magic seems to be purple. But that face is all weird. Hordes stuff tends to have a... cleaner look?

So this Kickstarter is based on Malifaux? I don't see the word "Malifaux" mentioned on the KS page.

 Mymearan wrote:
So this Kickstarter is based on Malifaux? I don't see the word "Malifaux" mentioned on the KS page.

It's a different game, but in the Malifaux universe. Basically, what the nations on the Eath side of the Breach are getting up to, which is basically Weird War 1. So larger scale - 40-60 models per side, squads of infantry, huge monsters and mechs, cavalry units, etc.

It's the same setting, different location.

Oh I really hope it hits 450K at least. It is possible with how it is going and that would make me jump in for sure. A really solid deal at that point. I really want to see how the heavy mech infantry play out. It should be good.

I also agree with previous points. KD:M is super cool and I would love to back it (also a massive Monster Hunter fan), but the style of it is... uh well seeing as I play with a heavily female crowd if I brought that out to them with all the body horror, penises and boobs, they would almost certainly exile me from the gaming group. They are not a fan of that stuff at all.

Have they said whether there will be any model crossover between this and Malifaux? Because if I understand right, it is a different rules system but the scale should work. And as you guys were saying, it is the same fictional world, just a different part of it.

As I understand it, Malifaux is the name of an alternate world that was discovered by wizards from the setting's Earth. Games of Malifaux are assumed to be taking place in that world and some of the characters are natives of that world or have been changed by it in various ways. There's story potential for Malifaux-natives to somehow cross to Earth in large enough numbers to participate in the mass combat game. Or for new Earth-side units designed for that game to venture to the Malifaux side.

ClockworkChaos wrote:
Oh I really hope it hits 450K at least. It is possible with how it is going and that would make me jump in for sure. A really solid deal at that point. I really want to see how the heavy mech infantry play out. It should be good.

It seems to be going very similarly to Wyrd's previous project: TTB. The campaign seems similarly set up.

Two days of growth followed by a lull of very slow growth eventually picking up at the very end. All except 200k in TOTS instead of last time's 150k in TTB.




450k seems like it'll be tough.

Well, TOS has almost reached TTB's closing amount, so there's hope at least.

People were asking about the Cult of the Burning Mans 'large champion' on the official forum and Aaron mentioned the name Horomatangi. Horomatangi was a huge lizard that terrorised the Maori's of New Zealand, who would kill fishermen by boiling the water around them.

So there we go. Godzilla is the Cult of the Burning Man, not Gibbering hordes. Makes sense that he's trying to swap Yazari out of the air. Also the idea of boiling water to kill enemies would be rather uniquely powerful against an aquatic foe. I wonder if he's got abilities that makes Tide Pools hazardous to Gibbering Hordes? Though it makes me wonder what the Gibbering Hordes large Champion will be.

 Absolutionis wrote:

ClockworkChaos wrote:
Oh I really hope it hits 450K at least. It is possible with how it is going and that would make me jump in for sure. A really solid deal at that point. I really want to see how the heavy mech infantry play out. It should be good.

It seems to be going very similarly to Wyrd's previous project: TTB. The campaign seems similarly set up.

Two days of growth followed by a lull of very slow growth eventually picking up at the very end. All except 200k in TOTS instead of last time's 150k in TTB.




450k seems like it'll be tough.

I am not familiar with Kicktraq, but the image you show of The Other Side progress suggests it is trending over 1 million dollars. when this is all done. If the trend line is not a very accurate measure, it should have been left out. How the data is presented to suggest that this Kickstarter will not be making much progress is rather weak. My experience with most Kickstarters are that the beginning have a steep increase in funding, with very slow increase until the last 2 days or so.

Edit: Reading more about the trendline from Kicktraq - the site itself indicates it is too early to know how the project would end up until the campaign have progressed.

 akai wrote:
I am not familiar with Kicktraq, but the image you show of The Other Side progress suggests it is trending over 1 million dollars. when this is all done. If the trend line is not a very accurate measure, it should have been left out. How the data is presented to suggest that this Kickstarter will not be making much progress is rather weak. My experience with most Kickstarters are that the beginning have a steep increase in funding, with very slow increase until the last 2 days or so.

Edit: Reading more about the trendline from Kicktraq - the site itself indicates it is too early to know how the project would end up until the campaign have progressed.

Yeah, no, Kicktraq's own admission of inaccuracy doesn't do justice to how misleading the trending chart/note is.

Basically, the Trending stuff assumes that steady progress will continue from this minute to the end. No more lulls or slumps or setbacks, which absolutely won't be the case.

Let's look at KDM1.5's chart? Yeah, KT's approach is basically useless for big starts to campaigns, which... Kickstarter is kind of driving with the popularity of early birds. And I'm not convinced these are unrelated matters.

Kicktraq is useful/interesting for the Daily data, to see progress per day. Their estimates are pure bullgak that aren't based in reality until the final days, at which point it's not an estimate, it's a "duh, no gak" moment.