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 -Loki- wrote:

One annoying thing is the cost will be inflated by being interior detailed but honestly I've found Malifaux is ill-suited for interior combat. With each model only generally getting 2 actions per turn, you don't want to waste those by moving up stairs to get into a building unless it's a safe spot for a scheme or strategy score or it's the fastest way to the other side.

This. I play with Micro Art Studios' XIX Century range of buildings which have decetn interiors, and have never used them (except for the warehouse, but that's so big and open it's like an exterior area anyway).

Maybe if the third ed deals with elevated and interior terrain better I would, though.

Even if they do better elevated rules, it's still a game about scoring points and preventing the scoring of points. Having 2AP worth of model move into a building is only worth it if you can go in there to score a point (like, it's on the center line and you took A Line in the Sand). It would take too much effort for the opponent to consider removing it or moving up there to kill the model, because they've got their own points to score.

I do use one interior - I have the Plastcraft Trainstation. But it's used exactly as above - people only go in it when they can score inside it. Bonus if the model doing it is Incorporeal so they don't have to bother moving to a door. Otherwise it's just treated as blocking terrain.

@Mikes, please don't mention a 3rd Ed. We JUST got back into the game, and caught up on book releases, card decks, etc... The last thing I want is another reboot, as the last time it happened we stepped away for three years, and our large local community imploded. :-p

I actually love the state of the game right now, and don't want a big shake-up.

My only pet peeves are minor, personal ones, like being out of the game around Gencon and missing a cool alt-crew for my beloved Hamelin, which I can't even find on Ebay.

Interior is sculpted would make the building more visually useful for their RPG?

Bazlord_Prime wrote that he Wanyudo was in a Through the Breach Supplement:

http://themostexcellentandawesomeforumever-
wyrd.com/topic/133368-wyrdscape-preview/?do=findComment&comment=1069769

"It's from the Emeline Bellerose story/Beastiary section in the "Under Quarantine" TTB book. I just read it for the first time the other day!

Evil Japanese landowner spirit who comes back from the dead to continue to mess with his tenants. "

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
@Mikes, please don't mention a 3rd Ed. We JUST got back into the game, and caught up on book releases, card decks, etc... The last thing I want is another reboot, as the last time it happened we stepped away for three years, and our large local community imploded. :-p

Lol, sorry. I only brought it up really because the Schemes and Stones podcast discussed this issue last week and big topic for them was actually vertical rules and interiors.

The game doesn't need a third edition. The most it needs is a 2.5 edition where they clean up some things and maybe fix the vantage point rules.


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 akai wrote:
"It's from the Emeline Bellerose story/Beastiary section in the "Under Quarantine" TTB book. I just read it for the first time the other day!

Evil Japanese landowner spirit who comes back from the dead to continue to mess with his tenants. "

The Japanese have some wonderfully weird ghosts and demons. Akaname, which are dual Ten Thunders and Gremlins, are just as hilariously weird.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
It's really frustrating, because Malifaux looks so epic with tall terrain, but every time I get a seriously vertical table (or even central element), I get so aggravated by how terribly the rules support elevation.

Malifaux's elevation rules are abysmal, but I've not figured out how to really make elevation work under traditional model activation rules. Infinity gets away with a lot simply because everything has a ranged attack and a single model can move very far in a single turn if you're willing to put the orders in. In many games, models really don't move all that far across the table over the course of the entire game, so spending an entire turns worth of movement to move upwards, generally costing you the necessary horizontal movement required to reach objectives. Not screwing over melee models is incredibly hard, and you're really stuck if you make flying things with guns.

Looks like Sonnia is going to be present in The Other Side. In related news - new Sonnia sculpt?!

Speaking of The Other Side, have they established a release date for backers?

 ChargerIIC wrote:
Speaking of The Other Side, have they established a release date for backers?

In their Update #69 on October 25th, they said the timeline is looking like March. Don't think it's been changed since.

 .Mikes. wrote:
Looks like Sonnia is going to be present in The Other Side. In related news - new Sonnia sculpt?!

Apparently for Court of Two it's Kirai.




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 LunarSol wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
It's really frustrating, because Malifaux looks so epic with tall terrain, but every time I get a seriously vertical table (or even central element), I get so aggravated by how terribly the rules support elevation.

Malifaux's elevation rules are abysmal, but I've not figured out how to really make elevation work under traditional model activation rules. Infinity gets away with a lot simply because everything has a ranged attack and a single model can move very far in a single turn if you're willing to put the orders in. In many games, models really don't move all that far across the table over the course of the entire game, so spending an entire turns worth of movement to move upwards, generally costing you the necessary horizontal movement required to reach objectives. Not screwing over melee models is incredibly hard, and you're really stuck if you make flying things with guns.

The problem with the elevation rules is they started with a simple system (height stats for every model and piece of terrain so there's no ambiguity) and then added TLOS for being on a higher level. A better way, IMO, would just be if you're elevated, models don't get the benefit of non-Dense cover. So walls and fences, you're considered to be seeing over them enough to negate the penalty, but forests and fog and such are not affected.

There was no reason to complicate the system with TLOS.

awesome i love sonnia criid.

January errata up; http://themostexcellentandawesomeforumever-wyrd.com/topic/133708-january-2018-errata/


Arcanists

Ice Golem (Cost -1)
Hoarcat Pride (Cost -1)
The Captain (Cost -1)
Slateridge Mauler (Cost -1)
Razorspine Rattler (Cost -1)
Cojo (Cost -2)
Patron's Blessing (Cost -1)

Gremlins

Whiskey Golem (Cost -1)
Moon Shinobi (Cost -1)
Wild Boar (Cost -1)
Survivor (Cost -1)
Mancha Roja (Cost -1)
Mechanized Porkchop (Cost -1)
Bayou Bushwhackers (Cost -1)
Rafael LaCroix (Cost -1)
Burt Jebsen (Cost +1)
McTavish (Cost +1)
Francois LaCroix (Cost +1)
Running Tab (Cost -1)

Guild

Guild Guard (Cost -1)
Captain Dashel (Cost -1)
Samael Hopkins (Cost -1)
The Judge (Cost -1)
The Lone Marshal (Cost -1)
Guild Lawyer (Cost -1)
Witchling Handler (Cost -1)
Pale Rider (Cost -2)
Lead Lined Coat (Cost -1)

Neverborn

Baby Kade (Cost -1)
Bad Juju (Cost -1)
Beckoner (Cost -1)
Lelu (Cost -1)
Spawn Mother (Cost -1)
Tuco (Cost -1)
Bunraku (Cost -1)
Vasilisa (Cost -1)
Hooded Rider (Cost -2)

Outcasts

The Guilty (Cost -1)
Taelor (Cost -1)
Bishop (Cost -1)
Desperate Mercenary (Cost -1)
Freikorps Specialist (Cost -1)
Hans (Cost -1)
Johan (Cost +1)
Freikorps Trapper (Cost +1)
Ashes and Dust (Cost +1)
Scramble (Cost -1)

Resurrectionists

Hayreddin (Cost -1)
Shikome (Cost -1)
Student of Steel (Cost -1)
Student of Sinew (Cost -1)
Student of Viscera (Cost -1)
Dead Rider (Cost -2)
Nurse (Cost +1)
Sinister Reputation: Gains a 1" :melee in addition to the :ranged on Live for Pain.

Ten Thunders

Ototo (Cost -1)
Yamaziko (Cost -1)
Fuhatsu (Cost -1)
Dawn Serpent (Cost -1)
Thunder Archer (Cost -1)
Monk of High River (Cost -1)
Terracotta Warriors (Cost +1)
Yasunori (Cost +1)
The Storm changes to: "When damaging an enemy model, this model may place all resulting :blast Markers anywhere in 8" of this model and within Line of Sight. Markers placed in this way do not need to be touching each other."

There's some great stuff in there. Riders are actually worth considering now, Burt, Francois, McTavish, Ashes and Dust and Yasunori totally had it coming. I always felt that Lelu was almost there after his 0ss upgrade, and at 6ss combined with that upgrade I'm curious about giving him another go.

The Storm being able to have damage reduced and range reduced to 8" really needed to be done. Misaki was flying rodent gak crazy good with her new upgrades.

A few, like Johan and the Trapper, seem more about reducing their popularity as mercenaries than in-faction balance.

Some are just baffling - I don't know anyone that thinks Bishop or Taelor needed a points reduction.

However, it's got the same problem that the July errata had on Stuffed Piglets - points changes aren't always the best way to fix a unit. Bunraku are now 1ss more than Wicked Dolls, so even the few people that hired Wicked Dolls before will probably just swap to Bunraku. Wicked Dolls will be relegated to summons only. If they wanted people taking Bunraku, building their trigger into Snatch would have gone a long way.

The Hooded Rider, while I appreciate the reduction and will be buying one now, had the effect of making the Mature Nephilim and most definitely Teddy redundant. Late game he's better than the Mature Nephilim, and he's straight up better than Teddy, who is 1ss more. Both will be relegated even more to niche lists.

This errata will shake up list building thanks to the cost changes, but I think a few would have been better off with some rules alterations.

Playing ressers, I'm pretty confused why the Students saw a point reduction: they always sucked as hires (and still do), but were also solid summons, and now they're cheaper than punks for that? I don't think that was necessary...

OTOH, in the time since I stopped playing lucius, he's been getting better and better. I'm actually looking forward to playing his crew when I get back in.

Is there somewhere to find all of the errata/new point costs in one document? I'm looking to get back into Malifaux and I'm certain the most if not all of my cards must be wrong by this point.

There's the official Malifaux app. Iirc it has an errata section. However the most recent errata haven't reached it yet.

 .Mikes. wrote:
There's the official Malifaux app. Iirc it has an errata section. However the most recent errata haven't reached it yet.

The most recent errata is on the app. iOS took a few days longer than the Android store, but they're both updated now. However, the iOS app won't prompt for an update. I had to delete the app and redownload it, which wipes your model list and saved crews.

 wana10 wrote:
Is there somewhere to find all of the errata/new point costs in one document? I'm looking to get back into Malifaux and I'm certain the most if not all of my cards must be wrong by this point.

All errata'd cards can be found on the FAQ and Errata page of their website.

The errata hit the app first... probably not intentionally...

 -Loki- wrote:

 wana10 wrote:
Is there somewhere to find all of the errata/new point costs in one document? I'm looking to get back into Malifaux and I'm certain the most if not all of my cards must be wrong by this point.

All errata'd cards can be found on the FAQ and Errata page of their website.

Ok, so just because a card is on wargame vault for individual purpose doesn't mean that it's changed from the original?

 wana10 wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 wana10 wrote:
Is there somewhere to find all of the errata/new point costs in one document? I'm looking to get back into Malifaux and I'm certain the most if not all of my cards must be wrong by this point.

All errata'd cards can be found on the FAQ and Errata page of their website.

Ok, so just because a card is on wargame vault for individual purpose doesn't mean that it's changed from the original?

All M2E cards are on wargamevault for individual purchase. Wargamevault individual cards on demand replaced Arsenal decks. If you go to an errata'd card on wargamesvault, it'll have a comment in the description mentioning what errata it was changed in.

All plastic terrain. Note the size of those miniatures with many being 50mm bases (Grenlin Emmissary, Alt Mounted Guard). Its all a matter of cost.

That looks quite nice, more fantasy than I anticipated though.

Given that they want to charge $10 for a single 50mm base, I have zero expectations that the prices attached won't make Forgeworld seem cheap in comparison. $100 per building? They need to take a look at stuff like Tabletop World and check their pricing.

Price will be bloated by interior details that are basically useless from a game perspective, given that Malifaux has relatively poor rules for that sort of thing. I guess if you want to camp out inside dropping scheme markers, but it seems like a negative play experience.

...Wow.

Please be reasonably priced!

Man oh man will that be perfect for a game of Twisted!

Wow!

Hopefully it won't be *too* pricey...

That does look more than quite nice. Mix in a few extra pipes and cogs and it's perfect for anything steampunkish

Further information.

The buildings have interchangeable floors, allowing you to build different looking buildings, all of which will stack on top of each other (well, it's hard to stack on the roof pieces, but you get the idea). The table itself is made up of smaller tiles you can spin and put in different locations. And last but not least, different elements of smaller terrain can fill in the final details.

Going by the ‘table is made of multiple tiles’ comment I’m guessing this is one of 4 tiles.

 -Loki- wrote:
Further information.

The buildings have interchangeable floors, allowing you to build different looking buildings, all of which will stack on top of each other (well, it's hard to stack on the roof pieces, but you get the idea). The table itself is made up of smaller tiles you can spin and put in different locations. And last but not least, different elements of smaller terrain can fill in the final details.

Going by the ‘table is made of multiple tiles’ comment I’m guessing this is one of 4 tiles.

It's made of 9. The circular staircase is 2 of the same tile side by side. You can see the lines if you look at the edge. Also worth noting that the single stairs are separate pieces.

That makes the most sense, 9 1x1 tiles, since it's played on a 3x3 board.

 .Mikes. wrote:
Looks like Sonnia is going to be present in The Other Side. In related news - new Sonnia sculpt?!

I totally missed this. Narratively, that's super interesting considering one of the game's factions is basically powered by her former boss and tenant. She's long been my favorite master, very curious to see how this turns out.


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Looking over the terrain more, its interesting to pick out the modularity. For example, the two houses on the right have the same top two floors with the far right one having an additional bottom tier and the roofs being swapped. I'd wager that additional bottom tier is also the same as the building in the corner third from the right two based on the crooked little vestibule attached to it.

Interesting stuff; the modularity might really improve the playability of it all.