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It seems many people look down on Slaanesh for just being a really horny, drug-addict, dubstep loving creature of the warp. He's not all just sex, drugs, and rock n roll you know. Slaanesh in his purest form represents the drive for satisfaction and pleasure. We literally do everything (99% everything) with a hope of finding indulgence and pleasure in it. You don't eat food you think is gross, no, you eat food that you enjoy and find pleasure out of. Everything we do, we do trying to achieve enjoyment out of it. So Slaanesh really represents the a very primitive drive in the human mind that can really find it's way into anything.

Say you're a psyker who wants to become an even better psyker. Tzeentch might whisper to you the promise of secrets and fobiden knowledge, but so too is Slaanesh. He knows the most powerful desires of every mortal's heart, this is where he has an advantage, because he can tempt you in any aspect where other gods are more limited. Yes Slaanesh is hands down the weakest god, I agree with that, but i even read in a Chaos Daemons book that all the other gods fear Slaanesh because he can offer whatever they can offer to a mortal as well. Keep in mind there are A LOT more regular humans than Spess Mahreens. So we are talking about regular fellows here, not badass warriors. Think about our society and how easy it would be for Slaanesh to corrupt us? Yes drugs and carnal pleasures are most obvious but Slaanesh is versatile in every aspect. It might sound kind of lame to think you might damn your soul for all eternity because you wanted to be a better painter but yeah, it's totally possible. I think that Slaanesh cults are far more common (especially among normal people) in comparison to any other God. So yes he may not be the strongest, and GW might not do the best portrayal of him a lot of times, but I believe Slaanesh is the most dangerous God due to his versatility in temptation

So there's my rant for the day.
Agree? Disagree?

 Androxine Vortex wrote:
So yes he may not be the strongest, and GW might not do the best portrayal of him a lot of times, but I believe Slaanesh is the most dangerous God due to his versatility in temptation

Um?

GW's depiction of Slaanesh is Slaanesh, because he only exists as portrayed by GW, no? If you're talking about something else that is different (possibly better? cooler? better thought out?) to how Slaanesh is portrayed by GW, it's not really Slaanesh.

You are right about the drive to get what you want being what makes Slaanesh dangerous. In the Daemon background it describes the other gods of being wary of Slaanesh. He/she may be the youngest but the drive for war that Khorne has or scheming or decay of Tzeentch and Nurgle is related to Slaanesh. This is one of the reasons his power is growing faster than the other gods.

I also believe Slaanesh is going to become the strongest Warp god, there is no way around it. As mentioned above, Everything, maybe even the other warp gods are too driven by desires and lust and a wanting of gain. Even though the warp gods are created out of emotions and mortal mind juice it would be incorrect to think that they too would be inaffected, or so i believe.

 Frecklesonfire wrote:
I also believe Slaanesh is going to become the strongest Warp god, there is no way around it. As mentioned above, Everything, maybe even the other warp gods are too driven by desires and lust and a wanting of gain.

That sounds more like Tzeentch, to me. Wanting gain more in life is more his territory. Slaanesh is excess, which can indeed be applied to all of the gods, since they're all excesses of various things.

I think a problem with comparing the gods is that they all overlap, when you think about it. Don't all things rot, in the end? Don't all gods plan and scheme to advance their goals? Don't all do so with violence and warfare? And as for the universe itself, aren't hope, decay and warfare also rampant? So yeah, you could plausibly make similar claims for any god.

Though, that said, getting back to them overlapping, I have read the chalice story about Slaanesh, and it mentions how all of the other gods fear that Slaanesh could eclipse them all in power one day, since they themselves are all expressions of excess. Won't necessarily happen, but it's plausible, it seems.

 Zweischneid wrote:
GW's depiction of Slaanesh is Slaanesh, because he only exists as portrayed by GW, no?

That's what they want you to think...

There is a reason vanity is the Devil's favorite sin. If any of the deities bring down all of humanity, it will be Slaanesh. Humanity will suffer the same fate as the Eldar if we don't embrace our androgynous rapey overlords.

 Leech wrote:
This is one of the reasons his power is growing faster than the other gods.

Going to need a source on that.

You eat food to survive, Slaneesh only thrives in places where there is abundance in everything, that is why so many higher ups fall to chaos, people on the lower rank would more easily fall to the more "basic" chaos powers

Except change, is everywhere, in everything, at all times.

Now that I think about this, I suspect that my friends are cultists of Slaanesh... And I'm not sure whether this is awesome or creepy.

 Androxine Vortex wrote:
It seems many people look down on Slaanesh for just being a really horny, drug-addict, dubstep loving creature of the warp. He's not all just sex, drugs, and rock n roll you know. Slaanesh in his purest form represents the drive for satisfaction and pleasure. We literally do everything (99% everything) with a hope of finding indulgence and pleasure in it. You don't eat food you think is gross, no, you eat food that you enjoy and find pleasure out of. Everything we do, we do trying to achieve enjoyment out of it. So Slaanesh really represents the a very primitive drive in the human mind that can really find it's way into anything.

Say you're a psyker who wants to become an even better psyker. Tzeentch might whisper to you the promise of secrets and fobiden knowledge, but so too is Slaanesh. He knows the most powerful desires of every mortal's heart, this is where he has an advantage, because he can tempt you in any aspect where other gods are more limited. Yes Slaanesh is hands down the weakest god, I agree with that, but i even read in a Chaos Daemons book that all the other gods fear Slaanesh because he can offer whatever they can offer to a mortal as well. Keep in mind there are A LOT more regular humans than Spess Mahreens. So we are talking about regular fellows here, not badass warriors. Think about our society and how easy it would be for Slaanesh to corrupt us? Yes drugs and carnal pleasures are most obvious but Slaanesh is versatile in every aspect. It might sound kind of lame to think you might damn your soul for all eternity because you wanted to be a better painter but yeah, it's totally possible. I think that Slaanesh cults are far more common (especially among normal people) in comparison to any other God. So yes he may not be the strongest, and GW might not do the best portrayal of him a lot of times, but I believe Slaanesh is the most dangerous God due to his versatility in temptation

So there's my rant for the day.
Agree? Disagree?

People focus too much on the sex and forget Slaanesh is simply the god of all forms of debauchery. While large amounts of hedonistic sex does fuel him and is a form is worship- excess of anything is worship and fuel of Slaanesh. Grand feast? Rock concert? Drug cartel? All fuel him along with excessively perverted sex. Anything that's pleasurable fuels him. Hell, you can even argue quite well that worshiping the other gods fuels him as well. Any pursuit of pleasure or simple excess provides both fuel and favor from She Who Thirsts. Slaanesh is my favorite W40K specifically because of this. While the other Chaos Gods demand things in their service, all Slaanesh asks is that you enjoy yourself, albeit seeking more extravagant ways as time goes on. Going deeper into it, it's also the best god to worship in-universe, or at least for normal humans, as Slaanesh renders life in the grimdarkness bearable for a normal human, who's rewards can render the life of a beggar the greatest existence possible from the gift of a thousand senses.

Hell, even with what most likely comes later, soul rape, warp yourself enough, and it's likely you'll even enjoy it.

PORN FOR THE PORN GOD!

More seriously, though, I'm a very composed and "unemotional" lad irl, but if I was an inhabitant of the WH40k universe, I'd most likely end up a follower of Slaanesh should I stop restraining myself. Tzeentch would be a possibility (take a look at my sig), and Khorne maybe perhaps as well (due to pent up rage), but Slaanesh stays on top (hehe).

Sorry, Papa Nurgle, I don't like spouting goo from every orifice of my body

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
You eat food to survive, Slaneesh only thrives in places where there is abundance in everything, that is why so many higher ups fall to chaos, people on the lower rank would more easily fall to the more "basic" chaos powers

But then you don't have to be rich to get gratification from pain or torture, any domain of the experience is where Slaanesh lurks.

The higher ups use the rewards they gain from following the Dark Prince to further what they already have, power and fame, it's that drive for excess.

Slaanesh possibly might the most dangerous, it's certainly the evilest in my opinion, but whereas the other powers seem to be more about others Slaanesh is very selfish and it will eventually burn it self out.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
You eat food to survive, Slaneesh only thrives in places where there is abundance in everything, that is why so many higher ups fall to chaos, people on the lower rank would more easily fall to the more "basic" chaos powers

Except even lower ranks feel the need to perfect themselves, to try and reach perfection is another excess of Slaanesh, to continue to drive yourself towards one singularly goal continually in order to perfect yourself..And then you'll drive yourself to Slaanesh in no time! One does not also need to 'have' things to be in excess.

There's plenty lower ranks can do to garner Slaanesh's viewing, even just being 'interesting'.

 Androxine Vortex wrote:
It seems many people look down on Slaanesh for just being a really horny, drug-addict, dubstep loving creature of the warp.

In all fairness, he IS a really horny, drug-addict, dubstep loving creature of the warp. Then again, that's what makes him scary. And fun at parties, but I won't go into that here.

Don't knock it till you've tried it.

Slaanesh is just as much about Want as sHe is about Excess.

Desire is a broad church.


Tzeentch is change, not want. Ambition to change things is Tzeentch, Ambition to advance one's self is Slaanesh, guess which one is more common in the universe...

 Medium of Death wrote:

 Leech wrote:
This is one of the reasons his power is growing faster than the other gods.

Going to need a source on that.

Check the Slaanesh section of the Daemons book it's a pretty well known thing.

I had always assumed that khrone was the strongest of the chaos gods. Seeing as how his 'power' is the most prevalent of all the gods, that being, death, murder, blood, hate, ect ect.

I think the third edition CSM codex said that while Slaanesh could beat Khorne over the short term, it wouldn't be able to compete with Khorne's power over an extended time. The main problem with Slaanesh is that its followers are the only ones that seem to burn themselves out after a while, and the energy that Slaanesh would get from a jaded Noise Marine who can barely feel anything would be a lot less than what Khorne gets from a Berzerker who enjoys the hell out of all that slaughter. I'd guess that Slaanesh would be one of the easiest gods to be tempted by, since it has an aspect in all parts of life (perfectionism for the warrior, beauty for the artist, gratification for everyone etc.), but by its very nature it wouldn't be stockpiling that power, it'd be blowing it on parties and such.

 Troike wrote:

 Frecklesonfire wrote:
I also believe Slaanesh is going to become the strongest Warp god, there is no way around it. As mentioned above, Everything, maybe even the other warp gods are too driven by desires and lust and a wanting of gain.

That sounds more like Tzeentch, to me. Wanting gain more in life is more his territory. Slaanesh is excess, which can indeed be applied to all of the gods, since they're all excesses of various things.

I think a problem with comparing the gods is that they all overlap, when you think about it. Don't all things rot, in the end? Don't all gods plan and scheme to advance their goals? Don't all do so with violence and warfare? And as for the universe itself, aren't hope, decay and warfare also rampant? So yeah, you could plausibly make similar claims for any god.

Though, that said, getting back to them overlapping, I have read the chalice story about Slaanesh, and it mentions how all of the other gods fear that Slaanesh could eclipse them all in power one day, since they themselves are all expressions of excess. Won't necessarily happen, but it's plausible, it seems.

 Zweischneid wrote:
GW's depiction of Slaanesh is Slaanesh, because he only exists as portrayed by GW, no?

That's what they want you to think...

Tzeentch has the issue that he/it is all about change. Change no matter the cost and change for the sake of change. It has been mentioned in the fluff before that this behaviour is often self-destructive. If Tzeentch even achieves his goal of becoming the strongest of the gods he will actually then sabotage himself and allow another god to take his place. This is because becoming the one god to rule them all is a still position and requires him to be unchanging. This is against his ideals so he will unseat himself if needs be.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
I had always assumed that khrone was the strongest of the chaos gods. Seeing as how his 'power' is the most prevalent of all the gods, that being, death, murder, blood, hate, ect ect.

Now each god gets a turn, the ebb of chaos means that one will never remain in power long anymore. You'll have Tzeentch, Nurgle, and Slaanesh taking the Reigns at times.

Slaanesh has great potential, but the other Chaos Gods are powerful as well. Given the dynamics between them, I highly doubt that any of them would come on top permanently.

I swear it even says in the chaos daemons codex that the gods are watching slaanesh because of all that has been said in the topic? I mean she is the god(dess) of excess and desire that pretty much covers what the other gods do as well since those two are pretty broad that is quite dangerous. For example Khorne excess of bloodshed if you end up enjoying killing people guess who is getting more powerful? Yeah khorne is getting some of that juice but so is slaanesh that is the scary thing about her. Excess can cover many things.

Even in the word bearers series marduk is constantly warning his followers about exclusively falling to slaanesh since they have the ambition to advance oneself to a higher position. Heck slaanesh at one point takes the wheels on him. I also think slaanesh likes the word bearers a lot since their main thing is corrupting others through the word since slaanesh takes a lot of pleasure with corrupting the "pure" and the unspoiled.

Oh yeah and in the horus heresy novel fulgrim? People got corrupted for wanting to be a better painter and to pull off the best orchestra ever seen.

Hence possibly in the future slaanesh might become the strongest if they are not careful hence the line of the other gods watching her/him at the current moment.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
You eat food to survive, Slaneesh only thrives in places where there is abundance in everything, that is why so many higher ups fall to chaos, people on the lower rank would more easily fall to the more "basic" chaos powers

Except even lower ranks feel the need to perfect themselves, to try and reach perfection is another excess of Slaanesh, to continue to drive yourself towards one singularly goal continually in order to perfect yourself..And then you'll drive yourself to Slaanesh in no time! One does not also need to 'have' things to be in excess.

There's plenty lower ranks can do to garner Slaanesh's viewing, even just being 'interesting'.

I am sure homeless camps and trailer parks are full of slaneesh followers, when you are just trying to survive or drinking to forget your existence, striving for perfection would be very low on their list IMHO.

I always thought Nurgle would be the last man standing. Everything rots.

Besides every Slaaneshi follower who passes on an STD makes Nurgle stronger

 Imperator_Class wrote:
Except change, is everywhere, in everything, at all times.

I changed my pants this morning.

#NowATzeentchCultist

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
You eat food to survive, Slaneesh only thrives in places where there is abundance in everything, that is why so many higher ups fall to chaos, people on the lower rank would more easily fall to the more "basic" chaos powers

Except even lower ranks feel the need to perfect themselves, to try and reach perfection is another excess of Slaanesh, to continue to drive yourself towards one singularly goal continually in order to perfect yourself..And then you'll drive yourself to Slaanesh in no time! One does not also need to 'have' things to be in excess.

There's plenty lower ranks can do to garner Slaanesh's viewing, even just being 'interesting'.

I am sure homeless camps and trailer parks are full of slaneesh followers, when you are just trying to survive or drinking to forget your existence, striving for perfection would be very low on their list IMHO.

Drinking in Excess, using Drugs to try and burn away your pain.

Not to mention how many cults would masquerade as 'help centers'. Chance for food? Worship our loving god, who believes all should have food in excess!

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
You eat food to survive, Slaneesh only thrives in places where there is abundance in everything, that is why so many higher ups fall to chaos, people on the lower rank would more easily fall to the more "basic" chaos powers

Except even lower ranks feel the need to perfect themselves, to try and reach perfection is another excess of Slaanesh, to continue to drive yourself towards one singularly goal continually in order to perfect yourself..And then you'll drive yourself to Slaanesh in no time! One does not also need to 'have' things to be in excess.

There's plenty lower ranks can do to garner Slaanesh's viewing, even just being 'interesting'.

I am sure homeless camps and trailer parks are full of slaneesh followers, when you are just trying to survive or drinking to forget your existence, striving for perfection would be very low on their list IMHO.

Drinking in Excess, using Drugs to try and burn away your pain.

Not to mention how many cults would masquerade as 'help centers'. Chance for food? Worship our loving god, who believes all should have food in excess!

Slaneesh is all about enjoyment and excess, the rich do it for fun, the poor would do it to escape reality, IMHO the first would attract Slaneesh, the second Nurgle or even tzeench to get change from your situation.

I'm pretty sure none of the Chaos Gods can claim the title of being the 'most dangerous' all the time. There is always anger and hate in the galaxy, there is always the feeling of despair, there is always desire, there is always hope and change.

Any one of the four can be the strongest or most dangerous at a time, but they'll eventually burn out through various methods, internal or external.

I'd say Tzeentch understands that more than any of its siblings.