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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/25 02:13:57
Subject: Were the Necrons just "killer robots" in 3rd edition?
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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None and in fact, it says that the Eldar hated the Necrons so you would think that they would purposely seek out tomb worlds to destroy. The only consideration is that, at that time the Eldar were little more than savages using spears and bows to fight. We know that the Old Ones and by extension the Eldar, made great use of the Webway at that time but assuming that no tomb world had connections to the webway, or at least, none that the Eldar could open, and assuming that the Eldar did not have any space worthy craft having used the webway alongside the Old Ones in order to move about, that they may not have been able to get at the Necrons.
Over time the Necron threat was largely forgotten leading to the Eldar mythic cycles that recount the deeds of those ancient times.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/25 02:36:57
Subject: Were the Necrons just "killer robots" in 3rd edition?
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Confessor Of Sins
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They're still just killer robots, really. The leaders have some personality and background now but the rest are still mostly rank-and-file that march into the killing zone without hesitation. They'll be back anyway so why worry?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/25 02:52:24
Subject: Re:Were the Necrons just "killer robots" in 3rd edition?
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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I'll actually own up to this one. I misremembered the codex, the excerpt I was talking about was of a slave (Maybe a Pariah?) of the Necrons speaking to someone.
Actually it might have been a Pariah, those were noted to have retained some of their former selves. DoW had a Pariah doing so as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/25 07:50:52
Subject: Were the Necrons just "killer robots" in 3rd edition?
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Been Around the Block
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Agreed
I for one like what they've done with the Necrons
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/25 08:50:50
Subject: Were the Necrons just "killer robots" in 3rd edition?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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I for one hope the Tyranids get some characterization and more notably developed characters of their own. Just like the Necrons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/25 08:55:21
Subject: Were the Necrons just "killer robots" in 3rd edition?
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
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Void__Dragon wrote:I for one hope the Tyranids get some characterization and more notably developed characters of their own. Just like the Necrons.
I'm for this! Tyranids sitting back to have a nice ol' tea sipping contest with his current SM prisoner that he plans to kill but only after talking. They don't want to eat your face off but their natural conditioning requires them to do such. Along with that, the hive mind is actually just Tzeentch tricking them into this action. Oh and there will be a chaos tyranid hive fleet to reveal the doom of mankind as tzeentch cackles his plan complete. An eternal system of change that always pushes onwards. All they would need is necrons and they would be the combination of reality-warping, tech gods, and evolution.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/25 09:42:32
Subject: Re:Were the Necrons just "killer robots" in 3rd edition?
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Morphing Obliterator
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And I want a Tyranid named special character called Marius that betrayed the Hive Mind then joined the Tau then allied with the Grey Knights against the Sisters of Battle allied with Primarch Angron!! And the Hive Mind is not Tzeentch! It is.... Alpharius!! He was using the knowledge stolen from Corax to create variants of Space Marines and all Tyranids are Chaos Space Marines in disguise and in the middle of a battle they suddenly turn into a giant Chaos Space Marine that destroys all Centurions from Ultramar. And then Calgar discovers a new weapon... the Decurion! A Space Marine... inside a Space Marine.... inside a Space Marine!! Awesome!
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‘Your warriors will stand down and withdraw, Curze. That is an order, not a request. (…) When this campaign is won, you and I will have words’
Rogal Dorn, just before taking the beating of his life.
from The Dark King, by Graham McNeill.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/25 14:00:47
Subject: Re:Were the Necrons just "killer robots" in 3rd edition?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Gogsnik wrote:All of that information in the old Codex: Necrons no-longer applies so what does it really matter what the Enslavers achieved in that old material.
Some of the old material can still apply. The Eldar and Old Ones still suffered Warp-spawned calamities,which may well include Enslavers. It's not explicitly stated but I don't see why we should completely ignore the old background in this case.
AegisGrimm wrote:As I do not have the Newcrons codex, is there any good reasoning as to why, if the Eldar were too powerful for the Necrons to defeat, that the Eldar didn't just destroy their tombs after they retreated to them, rather than completely forgetting about them? To me that is the huge flaw with the new fluff versus the old.
Aside from the idea Gognsnik posted (which I do like), there's quite a few other possibilities. The Eldar may have struggled to push home onto Tomb Worlds with Null-fields and the like disrupting their primary advantage, they may not have known where most of the Tomb Worlds were, they might not have known that the Necrons were so relatively weak (or even that they'd fought the C'tan at all) or they may have been preoccupied with their Warp-spawned calamities (or a combination of the above). It's certainly likely they'd be hesitant at restarting a large scale war that had just seen their creators wiped out especially considering the consequences of their Psychic powers. Plus the power of the Eldar wasn't the only reason; the Silent King was tired of war and quite possibly command. He wanted to set his people free but to do so even partially could have fractured them into separate Dynasties while engaged in a major war.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/26 03:11:09
Subject: Re:Were the Necrons just "killer robots" in 3rd edition?
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:Some of the old material can still apply. The Eldar and Old Ones still suffered Warp-spawned calamities,which may well include Enslavers. It's not explicitly stated but I don't see why we should completely ignore the old background in this case.
I would put it like this then, the specifics of the Enslaver Plague as described in the old Codex has been retconned. I don't say that that precludes Enslaver involvement at some point but, assuming they were creating havoc it cannot be to the same extent.
I have said before that (my personal opinion only of course) is that the whole 'the Old Ones dunnit' background that saw the introduction of the 'krork' and the tinkering of the Old Ones to make psychic races or at least, enhancing already existing psychic races, is garbage (to me anyway  ). None of that is mentioned in the current Codex but it was that tinkering that meant the Enslavers had so many beings through which to invade the material universe. Take away any mention of the tinkering and that limits the Enslaver involvement and their importance and they aren't mentioned either.
In the old Codex we have the notopn of the sheer level of bloodshed disturbing the Warp and turning the beings that dwealt their into (possibly) what we might think of as a daemon in the 42st Millennium even if they were not so evil and aggressive before the War in Heaven. I would say that that is the most reasonable aspect of the old background to bring forward; the Old Ones literally unleashed hell on the C'tan and Necrons and were then overwhelmed by it, the Necrons having no souls being somewhat immune. All of that though is really just the last knife slipping into the Old Ones rather than being something more, in the new version of things they just could beaten good and proper by the C'tan and Necrons, no Enslaver plague required.
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