The Infestation (home brewed army) two HQs and troops, elite and heavy support choice

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**necronspurs2012**

The Infestation

in M31 during the horus heresy, and organism began to grow in the air of planets, this was due to the great amount of blood shed. As the heresy came near to its end, the organism began to shape and grow, until it was a mass of flesh in space this went unnoticed for 10 thousand years. The increased amount of warp rifts in the galaxy feed the mass of flesh, as it released small micro spores that entered the atmosphere of a near planet. in M41.997, these spores developed into eggs containing all different creatures unknown to the galaxy. The xenos hunters of the inquistion where called in to check the infestation, just as the invasion began, the eggs hatched and the race known as the Infestation where born, their bodies resembling that of a man/bug/reptilian hybrid which varied upon the amount of power it received from the Mass of flesh which constantly spawns millions of eggs a day and still somehow remains hidden in the galaxy.

Wargear:

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special rules:

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HQ

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Troops

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Fast Attack

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Heavy Support

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**ImotekhTheStormlord**

A thesaurus was an interesting choice for a dinosaur name.

**Dakkamite**

Lol @ ^

Not sure if we need another Tyranid-y faction, but I do like a few of the rules you've put up - ie senseless rage.

**necronspurs2012**

If your on here to criticize me, the dot bother and

off.

**DerT84**

First off learn how to do quotes.. You keep stuffing it up.

There was nothing offensive about Imotekh's comment.

It is humorous you chose a Dictionary to name your Monstrous Creature.

I had respect that you were brave enough to post up your ideas for the Interwebs (Criticism is every where, check out Codex: Lynx..

)
I even brushed off the fact you pretended you had no assistance with your Malevance character's special abilities (See: Chovesk) and was still happy to contribute to improving your ideas.

But now.. Good luck on your own.

-Dert

**necronspurs2012**

DerT84 wrote:
First off learn how to do quotes.. You keep stuffing it up.

There was nothing offensive about Imotekh's comment.

It is humorous you chose a Dictionary to name your Monstrous Creature.

I had respect that you were brave enough to post up your ideas for the Interwebs (Criticism is every where, check out Codex: Lynx.. )
I even brushed off the fact you pretended you had no assistance with your Malevance character's special abilities (See: Chovesk) and was still happy to contribute to improving your ideas.

But now.. Good luck on your own.

-Dert

i did acknowledge you gave me the idea for chovesks table, i said in a comment i used your idea but improved it and im sure i thanked you, honestly the thesaurus was not the reason theserus has his name. Oh and please dont think that you threatening me about not giving ideas will help, coz ye alot of my stuff is op but again none of you have to worry about it as you will not be playing those units, i dont a problem with anyone, i do have a problem when people jump to conclusions and just make fun.

**Blacksails**

Maybe, instead of being so defensive and telling people to screw off, you could try being polite, respectful, and encourage proper dialogue.

You're really not creating an environment that encourages people to help you.

Also, don't make stuff that is OP. No one will want to help you if you acknowledge its op, but not make any attempt to balance it. Its also just a decent thing to do for your potential opponents, you know, out of respect.

Oh, and please spell and capitalize properly. 'Coz', and 'ye' and 'i' get frustrating to read. Take the time to write something worth reading, and people will provide proper feedback.

**curran12**

Overly complex, and right up there towards overpowered. A lot of these new rules are just nice ways to say "they get all of these rules" in such a way as to make it seem like they aren't getting that much.

And judging by the OP's attitude, I doubt much will come of this. Alas alas.

**necronspurs2012**

Ok

**ALEXisAWESOME**

Its ok guys, leave it to me to sort this thread out, again. Necron, your first out burst *was* uncalled for, all he said was he thought the name was humorous and everyone has their own sense. For example when ever someone describes something with the word 'OPness' I always say it ''Oh-Penis' then laugh, 'cause I'm mature.

The rules them selves aren't half as bad was what people are saying, but they ain't saints either. For example frenzied mind grants far too many buffs for not a bad down side (Oh no, im going to HAVE to charge you!), and the whole deepstrike thing I don't like that much. How about instead of deepstriking, it means any unit that can infiltrate can infiltrate into any piece of terrain on the board, regardless of LOS or proximity issues. May not deploy with in same terrain as enemy models. This means units with this can Ymargle their way up the board, giving a good counter to tau/gun lines.

Your first 'Hive tyrant' like thing has good base rules (not including the razor claws, I really don't like them depending on if the +1 str accumulate to str 10 base. Guns are fine maybe even a little over priced. This guy will be compared with the hive tyrant, but I think its fair due to lack of psy-powers and lets face it, rubbish guns.You'd have to work hard to convince me that your big MC can jump over terrain, on paper I don't like that, they already have move through cover. Wings upgrade is fine, but buying wings should limit armour save to a 3+, no 2+/4++ fly-monster for you

I'm not sure what your dictionary-saur is wanting to be, a combat beast or a brain control bug. I would need convincing why it could do both. Anyway I would never use him, too many points for a beat stick is never a good plan.

As for you guys, while Necron did unnecessarily jump on Imotek its only because people are constantly dismissing his ideas due to preconceptions of his last ideas (which are getting better...), so while I don't understand the outburst, I understand the frustration.

Alex, play nice xD

**necronspurs2012**

ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Its ok guys, leave it to me to sort this thread out, again. Necron, your first out burst *was* uncalled for, all he said was he thought the name was humorous and everyone has their own sense. For example when ever someone describes something with the word 'OPness' I always say it ''Oh-Penis' then laugh, 'cause I'm mature.

The rules them selves aren't half as bad was what people are saying, but they ain't saints either. For example frenzied mind grants far too many buffs for not a bad down side (Oh no, im going to HAVE to charge you!), and the whole deepstrike thing I don't like that much. How about instead of deepstriking, it means any unit that can infiltrate can infiltrate into any piece of terrain on the board, regardless of LOS or proximity issues. May not deploy with in same terrain as enemy models. This means units with this can Ymargle their way up the board, giving a good counter to tau/gun lines.

Your first 'Hive tyrant' like thing has good base rules (not including the razor claws, I really don't like them depending on if the +1 str accumulate to str 10 base. Guns are fine maybe even a little over priced. This guy will be compared with the hive tyrant, but I think its fair due to lack of psy-powers and lets face it, rubbish guns.You'd have to work hard to convince me that your big MC can jump over terrain, on paper I don't like that, they already have move through cover. Wings upgrade is fine, but buying wings should limit armour save to a 3+, no 2+/4++ fly-monster for you

I'm not sure what your dictionary-saur is wanting to be, a combat beast or a brain control bug. I would need convincing why it could do both. Anyway I would never use him, too many points for a beat stick is never a good plan.

As for you guys, while Necron did unnecessarily jump on Imotek its only because people are constantly dismissing his ideas due to preconceptions of his last ideas (which are getting better...), so while I don't understand the outburst, I understand the frustration.

Alex, play nice xD

thanks Alex, ok im sorry for the initial outburst but as you sad it is like everyone just jumps on my case because of past ideas.

**Bloodhorror**

I read the first post, thought oh this looks cool...

And then I went on to read the OTHER posts...

Yeah... you gotta cool your jets man... You had an uncalled for outbust at someone, admit its OP and then do nothing to rectify this as "its not our problem as we won't be playing it" and then frankly... I just don't want to offer any advice to you as I "fear" it'll get thrown back in my face...

Good day to you Sir!

**necronspurs2012**

They have been adjusted and i do take peoples opinions on board for every idea i have had, though now it feels that people just jump on the band wagon as it is my stuff. Sorry you feel that way.

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Bloodhorror wrote:
I read the first post, thought oh this looks cool...

And then I went on to read the OTHER posts...

Yeah... you gotta cool your jets man... You had an uncalled for outbust at someone, admit its OP and then do nothing to rectify this as "its not our problem as we won't be playing it" and then frankly... I just don't want to offer any advice to you as I "fear" it'll get thrown back in my face...

Good day to you Sir!

**Bloodhorror**

Jump on what Bandwagon?

We don't like your rules because they are YOUR Rules?

That's a silly assumption to make....

**necronspurs2012**

Bloodhorror wrote:
Jump on what Bandwagon?

We don't like your rules because they are YOUR Rules?

That's a silly assumption to make....

Maybe to you but its the same people every time criticizing, but no matter. im gonna stick to keep zipped and just posting what i feel will not be a cause of arguements.

**ALEXisAWESOME**

Bloodhorror wrote:
Jump on what Bandwagon?

We don't like your rules because they are YOUR Rules?

That's a silly assumption to make....

Except its not, and now its you making the silly assumptions While I don't begrudge you the fact you haven't been caught up in Necrons many proposed rules, I would expect that you should take time to read into context before making such an overview. People have out right stated (not in this thread mind) that they don't like his units simply because they had a misconception of his previous rules. Then the fact your first post equated to saying ''I could help, but I don't want to'' really doesn't help anything. He had already apologised for the out burst on Imotek, you pointing it out again won't help. He does listen to people suggestions as long as they are well thought out and presenting rather then just saying ''No, The OP is too much!!!'', I know he has always taken on boarded what I have offered and at least considered it, before responding eloquently. Help change his rules, not his personality.

**necronspurs2012**

ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Bloodhorror wrote:
Jump on what Bandwagon?

We don't like your rules because they are YOUR Rules?

That's a silly assumption to make....

Except its not, and now its you making the silly assumptions While I don't begrudge you the fact you haven't been caught up in Necrons many proposed rules, I would expect that you should take time to read into context before making such an overview. People have out right stated (not in this thread mind) that they don't like his units simply because they had a misconception of his previous rules. Then the fact your first post equated to saying ''I could help, but I don't want to'' really doesn't help anything. He had already apologised for the out burst on Imotek, you pointing it out again won't help. He does listen to people suggestions as long as they are well thought out and presenting rather then just saying ''No, The OP is too much!!!'', I know he has always taken on boarded what I have offered and at least considered it, before responding eloquently. Help change his rules, not his personality.

Again, thank you Alex. I admittedly am stubborn but people do hate on my ideas because they are mine i believe Alex is stating the truth and i appreciate it alot.

**Dakkamite**

Ah feth it, was gonna argue some sense into this guy but I'll just leave him to his fantasies.

Cat's outta the bag guys, he's onto our secret "we hate the Malevolence Dynasty" club. Grrr, foiled again.

**ALEXisAWESOME**

yet another productive reply.

Could we get a troop choice Necron? Every new codex needs good troops!

**Melcavuk**

OK for the Great Tormentars I would suggest starting them with the Rough hide and then allow options to upgrade to Steel hide or Reinforced Steel scales rather than the current setup.

Reason for this being currently they start as 3+ 5++ but can then pay points and lose the invulnerable. The new way I suggested basically moves it to the way marine commanders would of gone so:

3+ to start
Pay to go to 2+
Pay more to go to 2+ 4++

The names for the scales might need reworking just to explain the invulnerable saves, reinforced steel doesnt scream Invulnerable saves to me (energy fields, psychic powers, etc). Obviously "steel" might just be what guardsmen who have faced them in the past called it not knowing what they really were (an interlaced biocompound that absorbs and disipates force/energy across a symbiotic lattice).

For the Theserus

I would make him a psyker to start and then give him Puppet Master and Psychic Shriek as default powers, it works similar to your own custom power but uses what already exists rather than adding in new rules. This will reflect either focusing his control on his enemies or just screaching his power to disrupt them.

**necronspurs2012**

ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
yet another productive reply.

Could we get a troop choice Necron? Every new codex needs good troops!

Im on it Alex

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Melcavuk wrote:
OK for the Great Tormentars I would suggest starting them with the Rough hide and then allow options to upgrade to Steel hide or Reinforced Steel scales rather than the current setup.

Reason for this being currently they start as 3+ 5++ but can then pay points and lose the invulnerable. The new way I suggested basically moves it to the way marine commanders would of gone so:

3+ to start
Pay to go to 2+
Pay more to go to 2+ 4++

The names for the scales might need reworking just to explain the invulnerable saves, reinforced steel doesnt scream Invulnerable saves to me (energy fields, psychic powers, etc). Obviously "steel" might just be what guardsmen who have faced them in the past called it not knowing what they really were (an interlaced biocompound that absorbs and disipates force/energy across a symbiotic lattice).

For the Theserus

I would make him a psyker to start and then give him Puppet Master and Psychic Shriek as default powers, it works similar to your own custom power but uses what already exists rather than adding in new rules. This will reflect either focusing his control on his enemies or just screaching his power to disrupt them.

thanks for the advice, will definitly be taking these on board to create a better army.

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Right i have changed the great tormentors and ttheserus and have added the troops choice, the decimators.

**Melcavuk**

Decimators 8pts each

infantry unit composition:10-25

WS3 BS3 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 LD8 SV6+

wargear: bio-spiker

special rules: infestation, frenzied mind

Options: the unit may exchange their bio-spikers for needler palms for 10pts each
one model may exchange their bio-spiker for a bio-impale cannon for 20pts or a needler cannon for 25pts

I would say you have over priced the cost of Needler palms (paying plasma gun costs for a decrease in range and loss of rending for poison and AP) and would even go as far as to say halve that cost for the upgrade.

For the heavy weapons I'd make it 1 in every X models (5 or 10, not sure) so you could have multiples in larger squads without it being overpowering.

Infiltrating blob squads of rending within LOS maybe a bit of a problem for some people, you can plop all 25 man units within 12 inches of an enemy deployed unit.

**necronspurs2012**

Melcavuk wrote:

I would say you have over priced the cost of Needler palms (paying plasma gun costs for a decrease in range and loss of rending for poison and AP) and would even go as far as to say halve that cost for the upgrade.

For the heavy weapons I'd make it 1 in every X models (5 or 10, not sure) so you could have multiples in larger squads without it being overpowering.

Infiltrating blob squads of rending within LOS maybe a bit of a problem for some people, you can plop all 25 man units within 12 inches of an enemy deployed unit.

ok i have change dthe cost, unit size and the infestation rule

**necronspurs2012**

got some an elites choice and heavy support now

**DerT84**

I was not trying to threaten you.. that was pretty much the nastiest thing I could think of saying.. even on the Interwebs...

Hope you do not mind me just revamping the format for you Necronspur, just discovered how to do Spoiler buttons think it will help with doing army lists like Icedales homebrew in this forum.

{spoiler} to begin and {/spoiler} to end, replace { } with [ ]

Feel free to quote this, remove the {quote} {/quote} and my words to update your OP.

The Infestation

in M31 during the horus heresy, and organism began to grow in the air of planets, this was due to the great amount of blood shed. As the heresy came near to its end, the organism began to shape and grow, until it was a mass of flesh in space this went unnoticed for 10 thousand years. The increased amount of warp rifts in the galaxy feed the mass of flesh, as it released small micro spores that entered the atmosphere of a near planet. in M41.997, these spores developed into eggs containing all different creatures unknown to the galaxy. The xenos hunters of the inquistion where called in to check the infestation, just as the invasion began, the eggs hatched and the race known as the Infestation where born, their bodies resembling that of a man/bug/reptilian hybrid which varied upon the amount of power it received from the Mass of flesh which constantly spawns millions of eggs a day and still somehow remains hidden in the galaxy.

Wargear:

Spoiler:

Special rules:
Infestation: Infestation models may infiltrate as close to the enemy as they want as long as they are atleast 1'' from them and must keep ou of line of sight, and gain the stealth (ruins) special rule.
Frenzied Mind: roll for each unit with this special rule at the beginning of the game, on a 6 the unit gains the rage and preferred enemy special rules, but must charged the closest unit and cannot do anything that will prevent them from charging. In additional, the unit also must take a leadership at the beginning of each of your turn, if passed all is fine but if failed the unit inflicts the same amount of hits on itself as the number of models in it using the majority and best weapon in the unit.
Terrain Jumper: all models with this rule has the move through cover special rule.

HQ

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Troops

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Elites

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Heavy Support

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Fast Attack

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No hard feelings, friends?

-Dert

**necronspurs2012**

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**necronspurs2012**

DerT84 wrote:
I was not trying to threaten you.. that was pretty much the nastiest thing I could think of saying.. even on the Interwebs...

Hope you do not mind me just revamping the format for you Necronspur, just discovered how to do Spoiler buttons think it will help with doing army lists like Icedales homebrew in this forum.

{spoiler} to begin and {/spoiler} to end, replace { } with [ ]

Feel free to quote this, remove the {quote} {/quote} and my words to update your OP.

The Infestation

in M31 during the horus heresy, and organism began to grow in the air of planets, this was due to the great amount of blood shed. As the heresy came near to its end, the organism began to shape and grow, until it was a mass of flesh in space this went unnoticed for 10 thousand years. The increased amount of warp rifts in the galaxy feed the mass of flesh, as it released small micro spores that entered the atmosphere of a near planet. in M41.997, these spores developed into eggs containing all different creatures unknown to the galaxy. The xenos hunters of the inquistion where called in to check the infestation, just as the invasion began, the eggs hatched and the race known as the Infestation where born, their bodies resembling that of a man/bug/reptilian hybrid which varied upon the amount of power it received from the Mass of flesh which constantly spawns millions of eggs a day and still somehow remains hidden in the galaxy.

Wargear:

Spoiler:

Bio Weaponry:
Bio-spiker: Rng:18'' str 4 ap6 assault 1 rending
Bio-impale cannon: Rng:24'' str 5 ap5 assault 1 blast rending
Bio-insertion rotary: Rng: 18'' str 6 ap4 assault 4 rending
Bio-flame maw: Rng:template str4 ap5 assault 1
Bio-heavy flame maw: Rng:template str5 ap4 heavy1

Needle Weaponry:
needler palm: Rng:12'' str3 ap4 pistol poison(4+)
needler cannon: Rng24'' str 5 ap4 heavy 3 poison(4+)
blood drain needler: Rng:template str 3 ap6 assault 1 blood drain(if a blood drain needler causes one or more unsaved wounds then the unit either gains one wound back lost earlier in the battle or if the unit has not lost wounds, then ignore this rule)
needle rifle: Rng:24'' str4 ap4 rapid fire poison(4+)

Combat Weaponry:
toxic maw: str:user ap2 melee poison(4+)
barbed blade: str:user ap3 melee (each barbed blades will +1 strength)
2 sets of razor claws: str+1 ap4 melee (3 sets will allow re-rolls to hits 4 will allow re-roll to hit and wound)
extra limb: str:user ap- melee flaying limb(the model gains +1 attack)

Armory:
scales: +1 to armour save or 6+ armour save
reinforced scales: +2 to armour save or 5+ armour save
layered scales: +3 to armour save or 4+ amour save
rough hide: 3 armour save
steel hide: 2+ armour save
bio-shields; 5+ invulnerable
enhanced bio-shields: 4+ invulnerable

Special rules:
Infestation: Infestation models may infiltrate as close to the enemy as they want as long as they are atleast 1'' from them and must keep ou of line of sight, and gain the stealth (ruins) special rule.
Frenzied Mind: roll for each unit with this special rule at the beginning of the game, on a 6 the unit gains the rage and preferred enemy special rules, but must charged the closest unit and cannot do anything that will prevent them from charging. In additional, the unit also must take a leadership at the beginning of each of your turn, if passed all is fine but if failed the unit inflicts the same amount of hits on itself as the number of models in it using the majority and best weapon in the unit.
Terrain Jumper: all models with this rule has the move through cover special rule.

HQ

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Great Tormentars 170pts

Monstrous Creature

WS6 BS4 S6 T6 W5 I4 A5 LD10 SV4+

Wargear: rough hide,

Special rules: infestation, terrain jumper, character

Head mind: all units within 12'' of a Great tormentar ignore the frenzied mind special until they are out of 12'' of the tormentar.

Options: May take the following( note for each limb, he can take a piece of wargear unless stated by wargear):
May take up to 4 barbed blades for 25pts each.
May take up to 2 Bio-impale cannons for 30pts each (one takes up 2 limbs)
May take up to 2 needler cannons for 40pts each (one takes up 2 limbs)
May take a blood drain needler for 40pts (takes up one limb)
May take a Bio-insertion rotary for 50pts (takes up 2 limbs)
May take bio-shields for 40pts or enhanced bio-shields for 50pts

May also take: May take one of the following:
air bourne limbs(wings) for 50pts
may upgraderough hide to steel hide for 40pts
2 extra limbs(note he may hold up to 4 weapons but cannot take any more), for 50pts

Theserus 280pts

Monstrous creature(unique)

WS3 BS5 S6 T6 W6 I2 A5 LD10 SV2+

Wargear: reinforced steel scales, blood drain needler

special rules: infestation, character, psyker

psyker: Theserus is a psyker mastery level 1 and knows the psychic shriek and puppet master special rules, note he may not roll for any more powers.

senseless rage: roll a D6 at the start of every movement phase on a 1, Theserus becomes engraged and must move 3D6'' forward in a straight line, all units he passes over friendly or enemy must take an initiative test if failed suffer 2D6 str6 hits. Note Theserus may not do anything else until his next turn and cannot be end his run over any unit or impassable terrain so must be moved the minimum distance away to prevent him being within 1''.

Troops

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Decimators 8pts each

infantry unit composition:10-20

WS3 BS3 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 LD8 SV6+

wargear: bio-spiker

special rules: infestation, frenzied mind

Options: the unit may exchange their bio-spikers for needler palms for 5pts each
one model in every 5 may exchange their bio-spiker for a bio-impale cannon for 20pts or a needler cannon for 25pts

Elites

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Violators 15pts each

infantry unit composition:3-10

WS4 BS3 S5 T5 W2 I4 A3 LD9 SV5+

wargear: reinforced scales, 2 razor claws

special rules: infestation, frenzied mind, terrain jumper

Options: may upgrade reinforced scales to layered scales for 10pts per model

Heavy Support

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torturer 80pts

monstrous creature

WS3 BS3 S6 T6 W4 I2 A3 LD10 SV4+

wargear: layered scales, bio-impale cannon

smog hives: has a 5+cover save

special rules: infestation, frenzied mind, fearless, fear

Options: may upgrade layered scales to rough hide for 30pts

may exchange bio-impale cannon for one of the following:
bio-insertion rotary 25pts
needle cannon 30pts
blood drain needler 30pts

may also take either a
bio-flame maw 5pts
heavy flame maw 10pts
toxic maw 15pts

Fast Attack

Spoiler:

Nothing Yet

No hard feelings, friends?

-Dert

love the format, may have to use this and i will mention its your idea, and yea friends i shouldnt have been the way i was ok?

and i wiill love any further help from you please plus its not that OP is it???

**xalvissx**

Hello necronspurs2012

Your fandex is good; I always like original idea. But if you can expand the fluff, then it'll be even better

Are these lizards have some in common with Chaos, Khorne in particular ? because "organism began to grow in the air of planets, this was due to the great amount of blood shed".
About the crunch, I think most of them are fine. The only problem I've seen is about armours. Instead of add +1 or +2 to Armour Save, how about making separated items that increase their Armour Save and separated armours that provide 6+ or 5+ Sv ? This way it's more clear, and more orthodox, because all 40k armies use it

Oh, and please use more capitals. It make the thread easier to read. And I also found some typos

Mainly on units's entries

Overall this is very good. Can't wait to see more

**necronspurs2012**

xalvissx wrote:
Hello necronspurs2012
Your fandex are good; I always like original idea. But if you can expand the fluff, then it'll be even better
Are these lizards have some in common with Chaos, Khorne in particular ? because "organism began to grow in the air of planets, this was due to the great amount of blood shed".
About the crunch, I think most of them are fine. The only problem I've seen is the armours. Instead of add +1 or +2 to Armour Save, how about making separated items that increase their Armour Save and separated armours that provide 6+ or 5+ Sv ? This way it's more clear, and more orthodox, because all 40k armies use it
Oh, and please use more capitals. It make the thread easier to read. And I also found some typos Mainly on unit's entries
Overall this is very good. Can't wait to see more

Yes, they essentially are big lizards, and thanks for the feed back. I will be taking this on board.