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2013/11/13 22:45:47
Subject: So... uh... an article of Impeachment has been submitted...
Impeaching Eric H. Holder, Jr., Attorney General of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Mr. OLSON
(for himself) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on
RESOLUTION
Impeaching Eric H. Holder, Jr., Attorney General of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Resolved,
That Eric H. Holder, Jr., Attorney General
of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and
misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeach-
ment be exhibited to the Senate:
Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of
Representatives of the United States of America in the
name of itself and all of the people of the United States
of America, against Eric H. Holder, Jr., Attorney General
of the United States, in maintenance and support of its
impeachment against him for high crimes and mis-
demeanors.
ARTICLE I
Eric H. Holder, Jr., while Attorney General of the
United States, engaged in a pattern of conduct incompat-
ible with the trust and confidence placed in him in that
position by refusing to comply with a subpoena issued by
the House Committee on Oversight and Government Re-
form on October 12, 2011, in connection with a legitimate
Congressional investigation into Operation Fast and Furi-
ous by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms that
put thousands of illegally-purchased weapons into the
hands of cartel leaders, ultimately resulting in the death
of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in December 14,
2010.
Wherefore, Eric H. Holder, Jr., Attorney General of
the United States, is guilty of high crimes and mis-
demeanors and should be removed from office and dis-
qualified to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or
profit under the United States.
ARTICLE II
Eric H. Holder, Jr., while Attorney General of the
United States, and responsible for enforcing the laws of
the United States regardless of personal bias, failed to en-
force multiple laws, including the Defense of Marriage
Act, the Controlled Substances Act, and the Anti-Drug
Abuse Act of 1986.
Wherefore, Eric H. Holder, Jr., Attorney General of
the United States, is guilty of high crimes and mis-
demeanors and should be removed from office and dis-
qualified to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or
profit under the United States.
ARTICLE III
Eric H. Holder, Jr., while Attorney General of the
United States, has failed his oath of office by refusing to
prosecute individuals involved in the Internal Revenue
Service scandal of unauthorized disclosure of tax records
belonging to political donors.
Wherefore, Eric H. Holder, Jr., Attorney General of
the United States, is guilty of high crimes and mis-
demeanors and should be removed from office and dis-
qualified to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or
profit under the United States.
ARTICLE IV
Eric H. Holder, Jr., while Attorney General of the
United States, testified under oath before Congress in
May 15, 2013, that he was neither involved in nor had
heard of a potential prosecution of the press. However
three days later, the Department of Justice released docu-
ments naming journalist James Rosen as a co-conspirator
in an alleged violation of the Espionage Act. Eric H. Hold-
er, Jr. Attorney General of the United States, confirmed
to the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Rep-
resentatives in a letter dated June 19, 2013, that he ap-
proved of a search warrant on James Rosen.
Wherefore, Eric H. Holder, Jr., Attorney General of
the United States, is guilty of high crimes and mis-
demeanors and should be removed from office and dis-
qualified to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or
profit under the United States.
Two things:
1) I think that Holder's DOMA action is weak-sauce, not impeachable... but, eh... the rest of the article... it's a legit.
2) Why do this now? It's only going to be a distraction away from the issues stemming from the PPACA. Geez... with the Democrat majority Senate? Not enough facepalms to go around here...
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2013/11/13 22:47:42
Subject: So... uh... an article of Impeachment has been submitted...
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'm not to familiar with this process, so I don't know if this is like a serious thing, or if it's just a posturing type of thing.
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2013/11/13 22:53:39
Subject: Re:So... uh... an article of Impeachment has been submitted...
Come on, you know we're going to get there, might as well just hit the gas and go, right?
Nah... my twitter feed just exploded on this.
While there's many who are in the camp of "death by a thousand cuts" supporting this. I'm most definitely not. For a practical reason. The D's has control over the Senate. Not-Going-To-Happen.
Even THEN... I wouldn't support this "tactically". It takes the heat away from the PPACA debate.
So, imo, this is a baaaad mistake for the R's.
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2013/11/13 23:10:08
Subject: Re:So... uh... an article of Impeachment has been submitted...
How long has it been since we've had an AG who was worth a gak, anyway? Looking though Wikipedia, maybe not in my lifetime. All of them have some really notable screwups.
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2013/11/13 23:12:03
Subject: Re:So... uh... an article of Impeachment has been submitted...
Ouze wrote: How long has it been since we've had an AG who was worth a gak, anyway? Looking though Wikipedia, maybe not in my lifetime. All of them have some really notable screwups.
So we should accept gakky AG every time? FWIW: I actually thought Ashcroft was okay.
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2013/11/13 23:17:21
Subject: Re:So... uh... an article of Impeachment has been submitted...
whembly wrote: FWIW: I actually thought Ashcroft was okay.
He seems to have grown a conscience late in his career, when he realized what some of his earlier efforts had wrought, but I don't think that was adequate to atone for, say, renditions, abusing the material witness statue, escalating the war on drugs, and so on.
Though I supposed abandoning the last thing probably was not within his purview, though.
No, it just seems to be the way it is. If anything, I'd argue there is no point in impeaching Holder because statistically his replacement will be just as bad.
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2013/11/14 01:10:54
Subject: Re:So... uh... an article of Impeachment has been submitted...
No, it just seems to be the way it is. If anything, I'd argue there is no point in impeaching Holder because statistically his replacement will be just as bad.
Makes you wonder, though, if Congress would stop playing political power games over confirming Presidential appointees, would we ultimately have better qualified people in these positions rather than the ones that barely squeak through the confirmation process by being just palatable enough to all involved?
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2013/11/14 04:25:51
Subject: So... uh... an article of Impeachment has been submitted...
I'm more concerned how this will play out politically. The Republicans have been pretty good at being total PR morons lately. Still, going after Holder on issues which have real victims is better than all this birther garbage "impeach Obama" sloganeering I see everywhere on political forums.
Tannhauser42 wrote: Makes you wonder, though, if Congress would stop playing political power games over confirming Presidential appointees, would we ultimately have better qualified people in these positions rather than the ones that barely squeak through the confirmation process by being just palatable enough to all involved?
The President would have to appoint better qualified people in the first place. Congress may be holding up nominations but the President and his staff are the ones that pick them.
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2013/11/14 04:30:13
Subject: Re:So... uh... an article of Impeachment has been submitted...
daedalus wrote: I am firmly of the opinion that the best thing Eric Holder will do his entire career is eventually vacate the position.
Why? This impeachment, if in fact is submitted tomorrow, has no chance in hell to go through the Senate.
Although, the rank-in-file Democrats probably wouldn't mind this as this'll deflect the heat off of them from the PPACA debacle. Which is precisely the reason why I'm against this sort of thing.
Besides... he's Obama's appointee... it's the President's right to appoint whomever he wants as it's his administration.
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2013/11/14 04:58:58
Subject: So... uh... an article of Impeachment has been submitted...
It's true. The President can appoint 'em and Congress can impeach 'em. I'm just worried that this will look frivolous to the public. I think it's pretty certain that's how the President and his supporters will spin it. Remember the whole "it's only sex" thing when they went after Clinton? You'd think the Republicans would have learned from their mistakes.
2013/11/14 14:21:30
Subject: Re:So... uh... an article of Impeachment has been submitted...
Ouze wrote: How long has it been since we've had an AG who was worth a gak, anyway? Looking though Wikipedia, maybe not in my lifetime. All of them have some really notable screwups.
So we should accept gakky AG every time? FWIW: I actually thought Ashcroft was okay.
Sorry, I just had to do a double take. I'm not sure why a Libertarian leaning type (maybe that was Seaward) would be a fan of Ashcroft. A Social Conservative, yeah sure I can see that; but that is about it.
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2013/10/14 14:49:37
Subject: So... uh... an article of Impeachment has been submitted...
I didn't know you could impeach the DOJ. Cool, but agreed-what? Why now? No.
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2013/11/14 16:32:09
Subject: So... uh... an article of Impeachment has been submitted...
Easy E wrote: Sorry, I just had to do a double take. I'm not sure why a Libertarian leaning type (maybe that was Seaward) would be a fan of Ashcroft. A Social Conservative, yeah sure I can see that; but that is about it.
Seaward's the libertarian, and he was not a fan of Ashcroft, no. Nor Bush, for that matter. He liked Bush better than Obama, and Ashcroft better than Holder, but they would not have been first picks.
I'm starting to think the best attorney general candidate would be a non-shedding dog of temperate character and advanced years.
2013/11/14 16:49:10
Subject: Re:So... uh... an article of Impeachment has been submitted...