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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 03:49:35
Subject: Re:Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Voter ID suppresses the deceased vote. So not only does it fully constitute voter suppression, it's also blatant racism, because some of the deceased are minorities. So there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 04:32:28
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Manchu wrote:What a joke. This has gone on for so long now across so many threads. Just because you pretend no one has answered your ridiculous questions in painstaking detail countless times doesn't make it true.
I'm talking about YOU support your assertion that Voter ID laws is INSTITUTIONAL RACISM. All you've done is accused me of political hackery and not being a Good Little Small Government Conservative. Showing a god damned ID at a polling place is no fething different than showing an ID for all other day-to-day activities. So how come I don't hear you complain with the great state of Illinois or California Voter ID laws...eh? Oh... right... context matters eh? Doesn't matter in those blue state huh...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 05:18:54
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Manchu wrote:Just because you pretend no one has answered your ridiculous questions in painstaking detail countless times doesn't make it true.
M.. Manchu-chan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 05:40:28
Subject: Re:Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Cadorius wrote:Voter ID suppresses the deceased vote. So not only does it fully constitute voter suppression, it's also blatant racism, because some of the deceased are minorities. So there.
Well... touché.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 06:17:27
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Don't pretend this is the first time we've talked about this. Or the second. Or the third.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 06:30:45
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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whembly wrote:So how come I don't hear you complain with the great state of Illinois or California Voter ID laws...eh? Oh... right... context matters eh? Doesn't matter in those blue state huh...
Wait what? Serious question, can you find a single post on this forum where someone attacked voter ID laws in a red state but subsequently defended them in a blue state? Or... anywhere else? Not a trap, I don't know the answer to this, but your tangent is so specific it sounds like maybe you do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 06:45:33
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Wonder how many people scream institutional racism when they can't get a drink because they don't have an ID
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 07:20:25
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Dreadclaw69 seemed to support Bryan Preston's position, so I will preface my half-assed deconstruction with an attribution to him:
Bryan Preston wrote:
{Texas} Democrats who oppose voter ID have consistently claimed that it suppresses votes. If they are correct, then Texas should have seen turnout drop off in 2013 compared with the closest comparable
election.
That might be correct if considered in isolation from all the other concomitant, political nonsense that is going on within the United States. But, since Mr. Preston did not make any effort to isolate his chosen variable (voter ID law in Texas, pertaining to Texas elections), it is hard to take him seriously.
Bryan Preston wrote:
According to the Texas secretary of state's office, 10 amendments were up for vote in 2011, the last constitutional amendment election before the voter ID law passed. Some issues received more votes than others. The one most voted on received 690,052 votes, for and against. Overall, an average of about 672,874 Texans voted on these 10 constitutional amendments.
Lazy analysis. Which ones?
Bryan Preston wrote:
If voter ID suppressed votes, we should see a drop in turnout, right? Well, according to the Texas secretary of state's office, nine amendments went up for vote in 2013. The amendment that attracted the most votes, Proposition One, attracted 1,144,844. The average number of votes cast in 2013 was 1,099,670.
No, not necessarily, it is possible for people to overcome hurdles if they feel strongly enough about a given cause. Indeed, the argument often presented is that such hurdles should not exist.
At any rate, I am truly shocked that lots of people in Texas turned out to vote regarding a Texas Constitutional Amendment which exempts war-widows from property taxes until they remarry.
Bryan Preston wrote:
So, in terms of raw votes, turnout in 2013 increased by about 63% over turnout in 2011 in comparable elections.
They aren't really comparable. An election after Obama's victory is not comparable to one immediately prior to it.
I mean, we can talk about historical trends if you want, but this is much more immediate.
Bryan Preston wrote:
If voter ID was intended to suppress votes, it is failing as spectacularly as HealthCare.gov.
Well, that was never the claim. The claim was that voter ID laws would suppress certain votes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 08:40:01
Subject: Re:Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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CA ID card costs - http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/fees/idCard_fees.htm
I've lived in California all my life, and I could have sworn they were free back when I got one in high school, but times change. The "no time available" excuse for not acquiring an ID card is bs. MAKE the time, by getting of your lazy ass, and go and apply for one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 10:08:03
Subject: Re:Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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VermGho5t wrote:The "no time available" excuse for not acquiring an ID card is bs. MAKE the time, by getting of your lazy ass, and go and apply for one.
Why should anyone have to spend extra time to solve a "problem" which doesn't exist?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 13:29:56
Subject: Re:Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Peregrine wrote: VermGho5t wrote:The "no time available" excuse for not acquiring an ID card is bs. MAKE the time, by getting of your lazy ass, and go and apply for one.
Why should anyone have to spend extra time to solve a "problem" which doesn't exist?
Is that really the best you can come up with?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 15:50:53
Subject: Re:Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Peregrine wrote: VermGho5t wrote:The "no time available" excuse for not acquiring an ID card is bs. MAKE the time, by getting of your lazy ass, and go and apply for one.
Why should anyone have to spend extra time to solve a "problem" which doesn't exist?
Because any responsible adult SHOULD have an id?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 16:01:47
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Ouze wrote: whembly wrote:So how come I don't hear you complain with the great state of Illinois or California Voter ID laws...eh? Oh... right... context matters eh? Doesn't matter in those blue state huh...
Wait what? Serious question, can you find a single post on this forum where someone attacked voter ID laws in a red state but subsequently defended them in a blue state? Or... anywhere else? Not a trap, I don't know the answer to this, but your tangent is so specific it sounds like maybe you do.
Of course not... no one would ever do that.
I get that people don't like "change" and that pre/post VoterID laws are different. With Manchu's vehement objection to the VoterID laws that are being implemented, I was wondering why he hasn't directed his attention to those traditional blue states that requires ID at the polls.
I mean, I can't read his mind, but is he (or anyone else) seriously believe that the "Jim Crow-like" mentality still exist in this country? (and thus, still believe in things like "Pre-clearance" laws?)
Manchu wrote:Don't pretend this is the first time we've talked about this. Or the second. Or the third.
Of course we've debated it... your objection is duly noted.
I'm challenging you on your premise that VoterID laws is tantamount to "Institutional Racism"... aka, Jim Crowinsm.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 16:10:12
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Ninjacommando wrote: Kanluwen wrote:
But hey, it's not like I live in North Carolina and actually have experience in dealing with the NC DMV.
http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/
*cough*
so wait till january to not pay $10 on a ID.
Having moved to NC from VA I understand how hard it is to deal with the DMV in NC in the charlotte area. It took me a Total of 20 minutes to get, My NC Class A Commercial Driver's license, My DOT medical card recorded, and to register to vote. It was probably my 2nd best visit to A DMV ever. (the best one is the VA DMV on the border between NC and VA near galax on 77, lady there was so sweet)
Now if you want to Complain about a DMV go to one in Arlington, VA Where I got to wait 8 hours to get my driver's license because the Camera's went down After the 2nd fething person went through(i was 4th) and they didn't have anyone at the facitlity to reset them  , and when they finally got them fixed The teller and myself were getting yelled at by some middle eastern guy calling the teller rascist because the teller called me up instead of him.
The issue that Kanluwen has with the NC voter ID law is this:
1) He has a college ID that he can use to buy cigs and beer with, but under the new laws cannot use these to vote
2) It might be easy for you to get your ID from the DMV, but Kan does not drive and would have to rely on a relative (I believe his mother in this case) or the gak-tastic public transportation in his city to get to and from the DMV just to get a State ID
3) The NC Voter ID law is designed (his words, but I'm paraphrasing) to prevent out of state voters, college kids, and minorities from easily being able to vote. And these groups in the past have tended to vote for Democrats, something the Red State of North Carolina does not want.
But that is Kan's situation just like yours was a very easy time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 17:47:14
Subject: Re:Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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cincydooley wrote: Peregrine wrote: VermGho5t wrote:The "no time available" excuse for not acquiring an ID card is bs. MAKE the time, by getting of your lazy ass, and go and apply for one.
Why should anyone have to spend extra time to solve a "problem" which doesn't exist?
Because any responsible adult SHOULD have an id?
Does that mean that all those responsible elderly people SHOULD have an ID? That is, one that has not expired?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 18:06:50
Subject: Re:Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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azazel the cat wrote:cincydooley wrote: Peregrine wrote: VermGho5t wrote:The "no time available" excuse for not acquiring an ID card is bs. MAKE the time, by getting of your lazy ass, and go and apply for one.
Why should anyone have to spend extra time to solve a "problem" which doesn't exist?
Because any responsible adult SHOULD have an id?
Does that mean that all those responsible elderly people SHOULD have an ID? That is, one that has not expired?
Who said anything about I it being expired or not? Not me.
And yes, all of those responsible elderly people should have some form of photo ID. Every adult should. For multiple reasons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 18:14:54
Subject: Re:Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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cincydooley wrote: azazel the cat wrote:cincydooley wrote: Peregrine wrote: VermGho5t wrote:The "no time available" excuse for not acquiring an ID card is bs. MAKE the time, by getting of your lazy ass, and go and apply for one.
Why should anyone have to spend extra time to solve a "problem" which doesn't exist?
Because any responsible adult SHOULD have an id?
Does that mean that all those responsible elderly people SHOULD have an ID? That is, one that has not expired?
Who said anything about I it being expired or not? Not me.
And yes, all of those responsible elderly people should have some form of photo ID. Every adult should. For multiple reasons.
But here's the rub that Peregrine and I have been trying to get across in relation to NC's voter ID law.
As used in this section, "photo identification" means any one of the following that contains a photograph of the registered voter. In addition, the photo identification shall have a printed expiration date and shall be unexpired, provided that any voter having attained the age of 70 years at the time of presentation at the voting place shall be permitted to present an expired form of any of the following that was unexpired on the voter's 70th birthday. Notwithstanding the previous sentence, in the case of identification under subdivisions (4) through (6) of this subsection, if it does not contain a printed expiration date, it shall be acceptable if it has a printed issuance date that is not more than eight years before it is presented for voting
That is the wording of SL2013-381. There is a very specific provision for one section of people to vote with unexpired IDs, but nobody else.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 18:37:27
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Right... they couldn't have done that because people bitched about how getting voter ID would disenfranchise the elderly.
Oh, like this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02/pennsylvania-voter-id-law-elderly_n_1934063.html
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 18:37:58
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Ah yup, that's the gotchya! We're letting old people vote with expired ID's.
Although isn't the main issue not about expired ID's but not having an ID at all?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 18:39:49
Subject: Re:Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Kanluwen wrote:
That is the wording of SL2013-381. There is a very specific provision for one section of people to vote with unexpired IDs, but nobody else.
They must think that people under 70 can more reasonably get off their asses and act like responsible adults and get an ID. Sounds crazy to me too. Automatically Appended Next Post: And Jesus tap dancing Christ. It's the elderly whom the absentee ballots were practically made for.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 18:44:24
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
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Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:Ah yup, that's the gotchya! We're letting old people vote with expired ID's.
Although isn't the main issue not about expired ID's but not having an ID at all?
The issue, at least with NC's law, is that it was a Republican driven initiative for a problem that they claimed existed which has provisions for people who primarily vote Republican to avoid the restrictions imposed by the law that was passed.
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cincydooley wrote: Kanluwen wrote:
That is the wording of SL2013-381. There is a very specific provision for one section of people to vote with unexpired IDs, but nobody else.
They must think that people under 70 can more reasonably get off their asses and act like responsible adults and get an ID. Sounds crazy to me too.
I'm not saying it is crazy or unreasonable, mind you. I'm simply saying that they put in a provision for unexpired IDs for a group which traditionally votes Republican but at the same time went after methods that Democrats have traditionally gotten votes from(early voting and Sunday voting).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 19:00:57
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Listen. I think election day should be a federal holiday, especially if garbage like Columbus Day and Martin Luther king day are.
I can't get behind not having an id. At all. Every adult showed have one, for multiple reasons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 19:13:56
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Manchu wrote:What a joke. This has gone on for so long now across so many threads. Just because you pretend no one has answered your ridiculous questions in painstaking detail countless times doesn't make it true.
Manchu wrote:Don't pretend this is the first time we've talked about this. Or the second. Or the third.
If you're getting frustrated with another community member is it best addressed by belittling them in a thread?
VermGho5t wrote:CA ID card costs - http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/fees/idCard_fees.htm
I've lived in California all my life, and I could have sworn they were free back when I got one in high school, but times change. The "no time available" excuse for not acquiring an ID card is bs. MAKE the time, by getting of your lazy ass, and go and apply for one.
I'm actually very surprised that California charges for ID cards, if you require ID to vote then it should be free (a la Texas and NC)
Ouze wrote: whembly wrote:So how come I don't hear you complain with the great state of Illinois or California Voter ID laws...eh? Oh... right... context matters eh? Doesn't matter in those blue state huh...
Wait what? Serious question, can you find a single post on this forum where someone attacked voter ID laws in a red state but subsequently defended them in a blue state? Or... anywhere else? Not a trap, I don't know the answer to this, but your tangent is so specific it sounds like maybe you do.
Perhaps the point Whembly is trying to make is not that anyone has argued that voter ID in a Red State = Bad, voter ID in a Blue State = good. I think the issue is more that when the discussion of voter ID surfaces it concentrates solely on the Red States and claims of racism and voter suppression. Any mention of voter ID in Blue States is not mentioned, which may come across as a lie by omission
Alfndrate wrote:
The issue that Kanluwen has with the NC voter ID law is this:
1) He has a college ID that he can use to buy cigs and beer with, but under the new laws cannot use these to vote
2) It might be easy for you to get your ID from the DMV, but Kan does not drive and would have to rely on a relative (I believe his mother in this case) or the gak-tastic public transportation in his city to get to and from the DMV just to get a State ID
3) The NC Voter ID law is designed (his words, but I'm paraphrasing) to prevent out of state voters, college kids, and minorities from easily being able to vote. And these groups in the past have tended to vote for Democrats, something the Red State of North Carolina does not want.
But that is Kan's situation just like yours was a very easy time.
1) Is not that unusual as it is not a State ID
2) Other Constitutional rights require you to jump through a lot more hoops, and we're told that is a good thing. So what happens if he wants to get a driver's license? He'll still have to go to the DMV
3) I still haven't heard how exactly minorities are being targeted by this legislation. Is there a specific provision? The NC legislation is supposed to be in place for elections in a few years so those requiring IDs have plenty of time to get them, and it is not as if this legislation has been shrouded in secrecy. And are out of State voters even eligible to vote? I thought that you had to at least be a resident, in which case you can still get ID
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 19:31:29
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Ouze wrote: whembly wrote:So how come I don't hear you complain with the great state of Illinois or California Voter ID laws...eh? Oh... right... context matters eh? Doesn't matter in those blue state huh...
Wait what? Serious question, can you find a single post on this forum where someone attacked voter ID laws in a red state but subsequently defended them in a blue state? Or... anywhere else? Not a trap, I don't know the answer to this, but your tangent is so specific it sounds like maybe you do.
Perhaps the point Whembly is trying to make is not that anyone has argued that voter ID in a Red State = Bad, voter ID in a Blue State = good. I think the issue is more that when the discussion of voter ID surfaces it concentrates solely on the Red States and claims of racism and voter suppression. Any mention of voter ID in Blue States is not mentioned, which may come across as a lie by omission
Maybe you should try actually reading comments rather than assuming people are making such generalities?
Maybe because voter ID laws in California were not passed with several specifically targeted caveats written into the law cutting short things like early voting or removing Sunday voting?
Just a thought. If you were to go and read Texas' voter ID law, Pennsylvania's voter ID law, or North Carolina's voter ID law you might notice that there was a lot more in the legislation than just "You now need to present a photographic ID to vote".
Alfndrate wrote:
The issue that Kanluwen has with the NC voter ID law is this:
1) He has a college ID that he can use to buy cigs and beer with, but under the new laws cannot use these to vote
2) It might be easy for you to get your ID from the DMV, but Kan does not drive and would have to rely on a relative (I believe his mother in this case) or the gak-tastic public transportation in his city to get to and from the DMV just to get a State ID
3) The NC Voter ID law is designed (his words, but I'm paraphrasing) to prevent out of state voters, college kids, and minorities from easily being able to vote. And these groups in the past have tended to vote for Democrats, something the Red State of North Carolina does not want.
But that is Kan's situation just like yours was a very easy time.
1) Is not that unusual as it is not a State ID
Stage college, with the DMV providing the equipment for the IDs. It's as much a state ID as a driver's license. But of course that clearly is not a state ID, huh?
2) Other Constitutional rights require you to jump through a lot more hoops, and we're told that is a good thing. So what happens if he wants to get a driver's license? He'll still have to go to the DMV
I can go to more DMV locations to get a driver's license than I can to get a nonoperator ID. Nonoperator, state issued IDs are supposedly available at all locations but from experience it requires going to the Cary DMV office which is an hour away. There are also several DMV locations in NC which are specifically for tag and license renewals and are in malls meaning that the office hours are tied to the mall hours.
3) I still haven't heard how exactly minorities are being targeted by this legislation. Is there a specific provision? The NC legislation is supposed to be in place for elections in a few years so those requiring IDs have plenty of time to get them, and it is not as if this legislation has been shrouded in secrecy. And are out of State voters even eligible to vote? I thought that you had to at least be a resident, in which case you can still get ID
SL2013-381 removed Sunday voting and shortened early voting--both of which are primarily utilized by Democrats, with Sunday voting being heavily utilized by African Americans through church groups providing transportation for the members of the church.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 19:44:17
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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cincydooley wrote:Listen. I think election day should be a federal holiday, especially if garbage like Columbus Day and Martin Luther king day are.
I can't get behind not having an id. At all. Every adult showed have one, for multiple reasons.
So do you consider an expired ID to be a valid ID, then?
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azazel the cat wrote:cincydooley wrote:Listen. I think election day should be a federal holiday, especially if garbage like Columbus Day and Martin Luther king day are.
I can't get behind not having an id. At all. Every adult showed have one, for multiple reasons.
So do you consider an expired ID to be a valid ID, then?
It's a photo ID, yes? Then yes. Presumably the actual voter registration should take care of any address issues, right? Similarly, I'd also accept student IDs as reasonable photo I'd for voting. I'd probably also accept one of those fancy schmancy credit cards with the owner photo on it, too.
I really don't understand what the difficulty with understanding "photo ID" and then obtaining one is. I wish all liquor stores carded people for booze regardless of age. That would encourage some of these lazy gaks to get an id real quick.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 20:12:46
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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Kanluwen wrote:Maybe you should try actually reading comments rather than assuming people are making such generalities?
Maybe because voter ID laws in California were not passed with several specifically targeted caveats written into the law cutting short things like early voting or removing Sunday voting?
Just a thought. If you were to go and read Texas' voter ID law, Pennsylvania's voter ID law, or North Carolina's voter ID law you might notice that there was a lot more in the legislation than just "You now need to present a photographic ID to vote".
I thought that we were only talking about NC
I'm still looking for the quotes from people on these forums specifically critiscising California (or another Blue State) for implementing a poll tax for actually charging for ID (which neither Texas, nor NC, charge for), or claiming that California's voter ID is an example of institutional racism.
And speaking of actually reading comments - how are these free IDs not free again? And did you find that link that was from the non-partisan group that you missed earlier?
Kanluwen wrote:Stage college, with the DMV providing the equipment for the IDs. It's as much a state ID as a driver's license. But of course that clearly is not a state ID, huh?
And because the BMV provide the equipment that automatically makes it a function of the State? No. It is a college ID. In the same way that a card from a library (which also receives State funding) is not a State ID
Kanluwen wrote:I can go to more DMV locations to get a driver's license than I can to get a nonoperator ID. Nonoperator, state issued IDs are supposedly available at all locations but from experience it requires going to the Cary DMV office which is an hour away. There are also several DMV locations in NC which are specifically for tag and license renewals and are in malls meaning that the office hours are tied to the mall hours.
That is something that should be remedied to enable better access to free ID.
Kanluwen wrote:SL2013-381 removed Sunday voting and shortened early voting--both of which are primarily utilized by Democrats, with Sunday voting being heavily utilized by African Americans through church groups providing transportation for the members of the church.
So they still have the same access to voting as everyone else?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 20:21:57
Subject: Re:Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Peregrine wrote: VermGho5t wrote:The "no time available" excuse for not acquiring an ID card is bs. MAKE the time, by getting of your lazy ass, and go and apply for one.
Why should anyone have to spend extra time to solve a "problem" which doesn't exist?
For the same reason the FDA might ban transfa- Wait a minute!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 20:22:06
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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No. What he's saying is only minorities to to church and then vote afterwards. Right?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/11/16 20:23:47
Subject: Consequences of Texas Voter ID Law
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Dreadclaw69 wrote: Kanluwen wrote:Maybe you should try actually reading comments rather than assuming people are making such generalities?
Maybe because voter ID laws in California were not passed with several specifically targeted caveats written into the law cutting short things like early voting or removing Sunday voting?
Just a thought. If you were to go and read Texas' voter ID law, Pennsylvania's voter ID law, or North Carolina's voter ID law you might notice that there was a lot more in the legislation than just "You now need to present a photographic ID to vote".
I thought that we were only talking about NC
I'm still looking for the quotes from people on these forums specifically critiscising California (or another Blue State) for implementing a poll tax for actually charging for ID (which neither Texas, nor NC, charge for), or claiming that California's voter ID is an example of institutional racism.
And speaking of actually reading comments - how are these free IDs not free again? And did you find that link that was from the non-partisan group that you missed earlier?
Which one? The one from the Voter Integrity Project North Carolina--which receives a hefty donation from Art Pope?
Kanluwen wrote:Stage college, with the DMV providing the equipment for the IDs. It's as much a state ID as a driver's license. But of course that clearly is not a state ID, huh?
And because the BMV provide the equipment that automatically makes it a function of the State? No. It is a college ID. In the same way that a card from a library (which also receives State funding) is not a State ID
Actually the fact that it is a State funded college and using state provided equipment, same as that being used for the photographic IDs which Republicans are claiming cannot be duplicated which would make it a state ID.
And really if you're trying to say that a library card is the same as a college issued photographic ID, you're being willfully ignorant.
Kanluwen wrote:I can go to more DMV locations to get a driver's license than I can to get a nonoperator ID. Nonoperator, state issued IDs are supposedly available at all locations but from experience it requires going to the Cary DMV office which is an hour away. There are also several DMV locations in NC which are specifically for tag and license renewals and are in malls meaning that the office hours are tied to the mall hours.
That is something that should be remedied to enable better access to free ID.
Right, but where will the funding come from? The DMV has already seen budget cuts this year.
Kanluwen wrote:SL2013-381 removed Sunday voting and shortened early voting--both of which are primarily utilized by Democrats, with Sunday voting being heavily utilized by African Americans through church groups providing transportation for the members of the church.
So they still have the same access to voting as everyone else?
If you cannot see why that is an issue, then I think we're done here.
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cincydooley wrote:No. What he's saying is only minorities to to church and then vote afterwards. Right?
That's a poor way of putting it, but kinda?
In some of the more rural counties in NC, you have some primarily African American churches that will organize transportation for the more elderly members of the congregation to ensure that they would get to vote on Sundays before going to church.
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