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I see these all the time and just want to scream because of how illogical their decisions are.

I'll get a few started:

1. Ignoring first blood, it's such a huge VP and defines who's the aggressor and who's defending a lot of the time

2. Losing focus on the games objectives, it's never ALL about killing. I see people start gunning for objectives turn 4 and really get punished for poor planning all.the.time.

3. Going first, to the new player (including me at one time) it's easy to see why first deploy first turn is beneficial. You shoot first!
I'm actually surprised at how often I go 2nd nowadays. You have the chance to grab objectives last and even have the opportunity to seize. Of course you counter-deploy aswell, which is tough to evaluate game by game.

I could go on forever with these but I want to hear others opinions and instances awell

Rather ironically, don't you see 1 and 3 on your list as a bit conflicting? After all, getting the first shooting phase vastly increases your odds for first blood.

Underestimating a list is one I see often. Some experienced players don't bother paying attention to the oponent giving a rundown of his/her list and end up missing a hidden power fist or a special rule that can be a game changer.

Never underestimate your foe!

 curran12 wrote:
Rather ironically, don't you see 1 and 3 on your list as a bit conflicting? After all, getting the first shooting phase vastly increases your odds for first blood.

Glad you pointed this out, but the exact opposite is true. Going 2nd vastly helps protect your weak spots by counter deploying them across from the weaponry effective vs them and inversely lets you set up a first blood kill on your turn vs their weak spot with your hammer.

Moving into rapid fire range, for no reason. Closer is not always better.

Not using grenades. Holy crap. The ability to actually THROW grenades is one of the best changes in 6th edition, but it's a hard change to get used to, I guess. There are some players who play armies where every model HAS grenades, but I've never seen them remember to throw a single grenade in this edition.

Rushing

Flyer and FMC positioning.

My group meta clearly differs a lot from anything you experience, which is largely because we're 4-5 people total in my group.

First Blood: Every one of us are almost too focused on this. We'll shell anything we can get that FB for. It's almost always the guy that goes first that gets FB, because there's always SOME unit we can focus everything on.

Objectives: We lose focus on them, but it doesn't seem to matter, because the guy that wins, if it comes down to holding objectives, is always the guy that still has any frickin' troop choices left. We tend to destroy eachother's troop choices, making it all come down to a kill the xeno situation.

And if we don't use our troop choices to back up the rest, it tends to be all we have left at the end of round 3.

Going first, in our meta, is half the game. None of us are amazing players, no doubt, but our Tau player set the meta with his gunline. In order to do anything, everyone else had to respond with a lot of shooting, so our first rounds are devastating.

Our Blood Angels player quickly learned that his IG were less prone to getting destroyed round 1 and shifted over to them, and I didn't like the feeling you get when your super expensive Grey Knights die. Even if it's 2 models in a unit, you just sit there and consider the much lower combat value they have now. So I didn't enjoy the psyfleman/psycannon spam that was my only way of competing, so I shifted over to to the Sororitas.

Grenades: When I'm on Grey Knights, grenades are generally a lateral choice over the storm bolter at best. At worst, it doubles the charge range for me to get into CC!
On sisters, I don't seem to be close enough.
I must admit I do overlook them though. There have probably been situations when I should have lobbed a 'nade.

Something I've seen in stores, watching games outside of my groups is a vast overuse of the new psychic powers in 6th.

Don't get me wrong, they are amazing, but it seems like everyone threw their own powers to the side in favour of the generic ones, when they have powers that would fit their army a lot better.

Going second was only viable when Eldar and Tau weren't a thing.

Recent tournaments have shown going first or seizing the initiative results in a win the majority of the time.

In think one of the biggest mistakes I see (especially newer) players making, is to forget about special rules/special equipment.

My brother always forgets about Marneus Calgar's orbital bombardement for example.

Keeping all the special rules in mind isn't always easy, but can make a huge impact on the game.

Phi-666 wrote:
In think one of the biggest mistakes I see (especially newer) players making, is to forget about special rules/special equipment.

My brother always forgets about Marneus Calgar's orbital bombardement for example.

Keeping all the special rules in mind isn't always easy, but can make a huge impact on the game.

QFT.

It Will Not Die rolls are so important for Chaos armies, but I see people missing them all the time. 6th edition has made the game so much more complex with all things you have to roll for, it's easy to do this.

Not realizing that you can detatch that IC from the squad and win the game and instead keep him bottled up and fail at killing two targets instead of just one.

Rhino repair rule....

Falling for the bait of an easy kill, and not focusing on objectives.

Not killing scoring units. Does not matter that you killed the riptide/landraider/writhknight - matters if you killed the scoring units.

Overestimating your FMC, thinking it is invulnerable with T8 and 4+ FNP.

Grenades are easy to forget as a squad can only throw one.

Ignorning troops like my Grey Hunters, and going soley for my Wolfgurd, Thunderwolves or Dreads. It wont be those units that rake in the kills. that award goes to my Grey Hunters.

Failing to realize just how devestating a psyker can be to horde armies.

Not hunting Synapse creatures.

Oh noes - you killed 37 Termagants this turn. Lemme make some more.

Lately people who win the dice-off for 1st turn give it to me. I have no effing clue why they do this but it never ends well for them.

rigeld2 wrote:
Not hunting Synapse creatures.

Oh noes - you killed 37 Termagants this turn. Lemme make some more.

Don't give away the secret! My Synapse creatures usually are ignored.

 Brometheus wrote:
Lately people who win the dice-off for 1st turn give it to me. I have no effing clue why they do this but it never ends well for them.

With my SM list I'm working on, I'd give first turn pretty often. a) allows for turn 5 contests. b) allows my flyers to come in after yours. c) allows me to set up in response to your setup.

 Brometheus wrote:
Lately people who win the dice-off for 1st turn give it to me. I have no effing clue why they do this but it never ends well for them.

Going second for certain armies = easy last turn objective scoring. edit: Also drop pod list and as above stated for flyers.

its basically a 1/3rd chance of winning a game on turn 5.

As well letting you deploy first gives them a chance to counter deploy and position properly. and IF they steal initiative gives them an advantage.

The one fail most at is line breaker. i always forget about it till turn 6+

Interestingly, for those FMC psyker armies, 1st turn is sOOOO important that its more beneficial to give up the opportunity for turn 5 contests in order for the chance for First blood, Endurance, Iron arm, so on and so forth.

So I still am on the fence on that one.

However, I have a very specific mistake I see often: Drop pod SM armies coming to you. Why not wall off the enemy with drop pods? Dictate their movement with your pods.

Oh absolutely - with my Nids it's suicidal to hand over first turn.
But it has potential in other situations.

shotting at my wave serpents
this is only kind of true.
while they are shooting my serpents with everything, they should be fucosing down my troops.

Not playing the mission.

When you face a player like this...you KNOW it...and you can easily bait them with "Killpoints."

Faced a Triple Land Raider list, he came zooming towards me, snap firing everything and doing very little damage. 2 Raiders full of 7 wyches fly up to them, hope out and mutli-charge all 3. 3 dead Land Raiders. Haywire for the win! In another game I turbo boosted my 2 wych raiders behind my opponents 3 leman russes, but instead of shooting at them, he shot at my Ravagers hoping his infantry could kill the raiders & wyches. But a 4+ cover save is quite good really, and both raiders survived and while he did kill a Ravager and stun another, he lost all 3 leman russes! Never underestimate haywire!

Targeting troops because 'they can hold objectives'

I use my troops as fodder. Holding objectives isn't reliable. You need to focus on secondary objectives and then contesting the primary objectives your opponent holds.

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
You need to focus on secondary objectives and then contesting the primary objectives your opponent holds.

I agree. 1-0 is a win just like 8-0.

The biggest mistake I see alot of players doing, and am quite guilty of myself, is forgetting to move and shoot some units because you get tunnel vision on another part of the board.