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In agreement,ok. I thought you were saying that the torrent did NOT have to cover as many models as possible.

no fragile, you misunderstand,

there are two, rules for how template weapons are placed, that are altered by torrent.

one being "touching the model ~ covering as many enemy models as possible"

the other being when targeting a vehicle, being that you cover as much as the vehicle as possible.


those are what is replaced by torrent.

the rules about friendly models and so on, are not replaced.

and yes, if you target a not in combat unit with blast, you can have the blast clip a bad guy in a 2nd unit in combat, or it can scatter into combat. same with torrent, or flamer, so long as no friendly's are hit, and your initial target isnt in combat.

You cannot pick and choose, the same line for placement is the line for friendly models, which is what disproves your view. When you claim a rule breaks another rule without specifically saying so you are typically wrong.

Torrent moves the initial placement from the shooters base to up to 12" away with the restriction that the large end much be further than the short end. After that you have to follow the rest of the rules for maximum coverage and not hitting friendly units.


As far as blasts and templates, you should reread pg 28. You cannot place them in such a manner.

no, they are not the same line, the book lists off the rule for templates as "touching the firing model and as many models as possible"

the BRB has those two clauses joined by the word "and"

instead of SEPARATED by the commas, as it goes on to list other rules related to template weapons.

we are told to PLACE using TORRENT rules, and THEN use template rules,

that is why you use the TORRENT rule to place the template, and then go on to the next rule in template.

can you understand how rules are separated by commas, not the word "and" linking two clauses of the same rule together?

so, you use the torrent placement rule, and then look for the next rule.

the next rule being no friendly models.

you are the one choosing to use the word "and" to mean something exclusive, when it in fact is not.

 easysauce wrote:
so, you use the torrent placement rule, and then look for the next rule.

the next rule being no friendly models.

Except by the time we start looking at the flamer rules we've already placed the template so the "no friendly models" rule does not apply. Since you have finished placing the template when you start using the flamer rules you begin with the third sentence in the paragraph, which tells you which models are hit.

So how do we know exactly where we are supposed to re-enter the template rules? The consensus among quite a few of you is that it seems to be after all placement. But how do you know we shouldn't insert the torrent rules back in right after where it says "...touching the base of the firing model..."? If we went back to the template rules at that point, we would still need to follow the "touch as many models as possible", "cover as much of a tank as possible", "not hit friendly models", and other rules. Those are all rules it does NOT specifically override in the torrent rule. I know this is just my interpretation of the rule, but since it doesn't tell us exactly where to go back to the flamer rules, saying we finish ALL placement first is just your interpretation too right?

-James