Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

So, I found a store* near me with a huge stash of the previous GW paints, including a ton of foundation paints, Devlan Mud, Badab Black and all that stuff. I've been buying paint from them because those are the paints my wife and I know and love. It also makes me nervous knowing that these paints have been discontinued. I drive out of my way to buy these paints because I have heard a lot of bad things about the decrease in quality between the last range and the current range. Is this depiction of the new range as 'crapola' accurate? Or am I just wasting my time?





*I'll name-drop the store because they are good people**: Trinity Comics in Fountain Valley, CA.

**Actually, I think there's only one guy who works there, and I'm pretty sure he's the owner. And I never, ever make Big Bang Theory references when I shop there because I don't want to hurt his feelings.

Interesting to see the consensus.

I found the new GW copper is great, and Seraphim Sepia is as good as Gryphonne - but I've switched to quite a few Army Painter equivalents:
gunmetal for Boltgun metal
Dark tone for badab black
Skeleton Bone for Bleached Bone.
IN all three cases it's impossible to tell the difference. AP's green wash is a horrible dirty colour, though, the GW is better.

I am glad, foundation paints are gone.
I heard that Devlan Mud is superior to Agrax Earthshade, but haven't tested yet.
I have no general problem with new paints, love some of the new colours and options.

I've actually been switching to the new ones pretty exclusively, the Base's work a charm, much better than the foundation ones, and less cloggy. The Layers are grand and the larger pallet range is perfect.

Due to the amount of Orks already painted I have a supply of Tin bitz, Devlin Mud for them as it was how they where painted, but even my recent Loota mobs where mostly painted using the new colours and they fit in with the rest of my army great.

The end result is I have a box of paints (all the previous foundations, and some older stuff, ready to be thrown, or passed onto my lads for practise fodder. Probably the latter as I am loathe to throw that many pots.

So yeah, GW totally converted me on the new paints.

For the most part, I'd say screw all of them, and just buy Vallejo Air colour (seriously, that stuff is beyond amazing, comes in a much more useful dropper bottle, and it's not just for airbrushes either).

That said, GW's old washes were top notch, with Devlan Mud being the closest equivalent you'll get to liquid talent. From my limited experience with their new range (as in, I only used the new washes once, and that was enough to not do that again), they never really managed to replicate that success.

If you can get even older stuff, their inks were also fantastic. I used to have a bottle of blue ink, and it is a shame that the crap bottles that GW use are made to dry out fairly quickly, since it's probably all dried up now.

I found the new GW paints lacking mostly. Some are good but their new paints don't work for me like the old paints did. I've switched to Vallejo, P3 and Army Painter Warpaints depending on need and I like them all. Though Warpaint is a bit thinner than the others.

I'm lucky my FLGS stocks Vallejo*, P3, Warpaint, Tamiya and GW paints. Tamiya paints don't take the humidity of Virginia very well so I can't paint outside with those like I can with the others. Yes, sometimes I paint outdoors.

I've found it to be a mixed bag. Most of the new paints seem to be thinner to me, making it necessary to use several coats as compared to the old paints. (mostly the "layer" type paints)

I do prefer the consistency of the new "base" paints over the old "foundation" however.

statas wrote:
I've found it to be a mixed bag. Most of the new paints seem to be thinner to me, making it necessary to use several coats as compared to the old paints. (mostly the "layer" type paints)

I do prefer the consistency of the new "base" paints over the old "foundation" however.

That's a good thing, though there are a few of the layer paints that cover far less than I'd like them to, but these are mostly problematic colors like yellows, one of the reds, and orange. Unlike my old GW paints, I've had 2 paints go dry on me, like we're talking solid paints while in a closed pot, so I was not thrilled about that :-\

I bought Nuln Oil thinking it was just a rebadged Badab Black. Haven't been into a GW store since. Army Painter all the way these days for washes, I think I actually prefer Dark Tone to Badab (though it is very very similar).

Never used any of the other new Citadel paints, I've got no interest buying paints from a manufacturer that chops and changes their lineup every few years. Sometimes I buy stuff I have to try to match up with things I painted years ago, and surprise, surprise, GW have always stopped making that paint.

Pricier than everyone else, too.

I switches over entirely to privateer press p3 range and never looked back. The new gw paints are garbage.

I've had no problems. Some of them are good. Some of them are bad. Same with any paint brand. I have not managed to find one brand that is universally good. The new GW whites are a massive improvement.

Terrible, just terrible. I'll stick with Vallejo. Think I might try secret weapon washes instead. The new GW washes are crap. Even their metals are bad.

 Kroothawk wrote:
I heard that Devlan Mud is superior to Agrax Earthshade, but haven't tested yet.

Shades are NOT washes even though everyone continues to act like they are. This is why Devlin Mud is such a great product.

Still, I find most of the news range to be a vast improvement. Yellows cover and build up a LOT better than they did before.

I am gradually starting to use GW again as my vallejo dropper bottles seem to need an industrial mixer to make them usable each time i get them out.
It seems like its pretty much "pot luck" with GW paints nowadays though whether it will be suitable for your needs.

I use a mix of VAllejo, GW, and Prism and I've found that vallejo's purples to be super crisp, however GW's Bluesand metallics are much better. However Prism's washes and yellows by far beat out anyone else.

I have liked some of the new paints... Some are very thin and cover well. I like some of the edge paints.

All the metals are crap except ledbelcher.

I am kinda annoyed when some of the colors don't match up... spacewolves grey indeed.

All the shades are good except nuln oil which stains, everything else works well.

Overall, I like most of them, but until you get a pot and try it, you never know if it will be a good paint or not.

I used to use GW washes and some of their foundation paints but as you can't mix their new washes with water (and their new washes don't even colour match their own ones even though I was told they did and took that on good faith) I will be buying elsewhere from now on.

The only paints I don't like in the new range are leadbelcher and Fenris Grey. Not because they are bad because they are subtly different from the colors they replaced (Boltgun and Space Wolf Grey).

Ugh. I'm starting to run low on both of the originals. :(

I've actually liked the changes to the space wolf grey. Granted I wasn't trying to color match, but "The Fang", "Russ Grey" and "Fenris Grey" work really nice to get me the colors I wanted for my wolves.

Perhaps its because Im not a professional painter, but I see little difference in paints. I have some vallejo and some reaper paints, and I simply found them a little more watery, but totally fine to use.

Basically I think GW paints are fine, I find them to be no better or worse than the other two, but I add a little more water. If you like/need the shade they produce, then go for it, but frankly I see little difference between any of them.

 Alfndrate wrote:
I've actually liked the changes to the space wolf grey. Granted I wasn't trying to color match, but "The Fang", "Russ Grey" and "Fenris Grey" work really nice to get me the colors I wanted for my wolves.

I used them for basing urban rubble and ash. So the new one is darker and makes for a different color unless i mix it with white before drybrushing the base. :( Russ Grey is great tho for old shadow grey.

Other than that, it is a fine color, simply visually different.

Never let your basing colors go out of style.

nkelsch wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I've actually liked the changes to the space wolf grey. Granted I wasn't trying to color match, but "The Fang", "Russ Grey" and "Fenris Grey" work really nice to get me the colors I wanted for my wolves.

I used them for basing urban rubble and ash. So the new one is darker and makes for a different color unless i mix it with white before drybrushing the base. :( Russ Grey is great tho for old shadow grey.

Other than that, it is a fine color, simply visually different.

Never let your basing colors go out of style.

I have a feeling I'm going to encounter this with my Secret Weapon bases... My armies are based with fine 'gravel' from GF9, and Army Painter strong tone dip and then GF9 shrubs, flock, and Secret Weapon leaf scatter.

I think much like the last range you get good paints and bad paints. Some people like them more some people like them less. Some of that will be down to it not being what someone is used to and some will be that they are objectively worse than the old ones for that person.

Personally in most cases I prefer Vallejo or Army Painter over either.

 Alfndrate wrote:
I've actually liked the changes to the space wolf grey. Granted I wasn't trying to color match, but "The Fang", "Russ Grey" and "Fenris Grey" work really nice to get me the colors I wanted for my wolves.

I already have a lot of army, so need to match. The Fenris Grey is just too dark. :(

nkelsch wrote:
All the metals are crap except ledbelcher.

I like the new GW metals, except the gold ones. They really are crap.

My issue with the new range is that there are no solid reds and blues etc. They're all designed specifically for GW's own models, and their whole "First this colour, then that colour, and then that colour"-system so you get these really weird shades of each colour.

I do like the yellows though (except the "Shade", which is too orange). They're great for painting yellow, which can be a pain in the balls.

Edit: Corrected some spelling. Bits of plasticard stuck under my laptop keyboard. Makes typing difficult.

I find the new paints tend to go really... weird if left (sealed) for a while. The water just seems to separate from the paint incredibly easily.

Plus... Seriously, what's up with their colour choices. I paint my Blood Ravens in a dark red, yet the only dark one they've got is Khorne Red, which... really is not dark at all.

 Compel wrote:
Plus... Seriously, what's up with their colour choices. I paint my Blood Ravens in a dark red, yet the only dark one they've got is Khorne Red, which... really is not dark at all.

It's not even red. It's supposed to be a new Scab Red, but it looks more like Warlock Purple to me.

 fishy bob wrote:

 Compel wrote:
Plus... Seriously, what's up with their colour choices. I paint my Blood Ravens in a dark red, yet the only dark one they've got is Khorne Red, which... really is not dark at all.

It's not even red. It's supposed to be a new Scab Red, but it looks more like Warlock Purple to me.

Which is weird because mine does look like red

Well then maybe you got a faulty one

I feel both had there goods and there bad.

Im just sad they got rid of charadon granite. i cant find a good match.