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Those elves look really good, as far as I can see. Sadly, overpriced as feth.

 zedmeister wrote:

 squall018 wrote:
Hopefully its a good supplement and not just a picture book.

"Note that this expansion requires the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook, Warhammer 40,000 Apocalypse and your Armies Codex."

So I'd need 4 (more if I'm using Allies or an army supplement) books just to play? That puts it into the £120+ region of books on the table. Sheesh!

I would be very wary of these expansions. The fact that you have to have the Apoc book AND this expansion tells me that it may reference page numbers to the Apoc book for rules rather than have content of its own.

I have a suspicion that what this will end up being is a Crusade of Fire type book with a few scenarios, maybe a new force organization chart, and a lot of pictures.

Buyer beware.

 Commissar Merces wrote:
I would be very wary of these expansions. The fact that you have to have the Apoc book AND this expansion tells me that it may reference page numbers to the Apoc book for rules rather than have content of its own.

I have a suspicion that what this will end up being is a Crusade of Fire type book with a few scenarios, maybe a new force organization chart, and a lot of pictures.

Buyer beware.

I think your suspicions are most likely correct but it isn't a fact yet that the book requires the other books, that was speculation

 zedmeister wrote:

I was just guessing. But I doubt GW would pass up the opportunity to make cashola

Does this even count as a leak since pretty much everyone is is getting/has WD?

Thanks for the pics though. Be careful about making Sock Puppet accounts though... Chances are it will be shut down.

zedmeister,

Isn't your quote confirmed In the WD...

Pretty sure it is a for sure thing that you need the Apoc book.

 zedmeister wrote:

 squall018 wrote:
Hopefully its a good supplement and not just a picture book.

"Note that this expansion requires the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook, Warhammer 40,000 Apocalypse and your Armies Codex."

For 50 US$, you didn't really expect a full expansion, right?

Ok, no Nids. I was kinda expecting that sadly. BUT, the Iron Warrior in me rejoices to see this "siege book" so literally titled siege war in German. So... what is this? 48 pages makes me think it will be a collection of all the fortifications released so far (including those three released around the time of Apocalypse, like the Aquilla gun) and some pictures/fluff. If only there is a way to designate your army as a "siege force" and trade out FA for more fortification slots!

When I saw the pic that said Sigmar's Blut, I thought it said Sigmar's Butt, and it made me giggle.

Is there any word on exactly which superheavies are available for use in 40k games in that supplement?

I was a huge fan of LOTR and The Hobbit books when I was a kid which got me into D&D as a teenager.

The only thing I have done with this stuff that GW is offering is I made a chess set for my dad out of the miniatures and made a board to play them on.

I really have no idea why I feel zero want to play this system.

I think it was that the characters were special, you never really knew what they could do (neither could they it seemed). Assigning stats to them seems too limiting.

I would agree with others that the new movies and nostalgia may still not be enough to sell some GW miniatures.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:"Ya more Hobbit stuff!" -said about four people.

Meh... glad I'm moving on to Infinity and Firestorm Armada.

lol...That's not "moving on." That's "settling because I don't know how to budget for a real game like 40k."

warboss wrote:Is there any word on exactly which superheavies are available for use in 40k games in that supplement?

I imagine we will know more once some people get their hands on them.

 brassangel wrote:

SlaveToDorkness wrote:"Ya more Hobbit stuff!" -said about four people.

Meh... glad I'm moving on to Infinity and Firestorm Armada.

lol...That's not "moving on." That's "settling because I don't know how to budget for a real game like 40k."

warboss wrote:Is there any word on exactly which superheavies are available for use in 40k games in that supplement?

I imagine we will know more once some people get their hands on them.

That bit abouf 40k being a real game whist implying Infinity (never played FA so can't comment) is not just made me laugh so hard I think I may have broken something, I must thank you I've not had such a laugh in a long time!

overtyrant wrote:

 brassangel wrote:

SlaveToDorkness wrote:"Ya more Hobbit stuff!" -said about four people.

Meh... glad I'm moving on to Infinity and Firestorm Armada.

lol...That's not "moving on." That's "settling because I don't know how to budget for a real game like 40k."

warboss wrote:Is there any word on exactly which superheavies are available for use in 40k games in that supplement?

I imagine we will know more once some people get their hands on them.

That bit abouf 40k being a real game whist implying Infinity (never played FA so can't comment) is not just made me laugh so hard I think I may have broken something, I must thank you I've not had such a laugh in a long time!

Then you realise he's being serious....



OT: I like those Mirkwood Rangers. May have just found my Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters replacement for Warmachine. you know, a real game.

That's a lot of required reference books for the Escalation supplement. You'd think if the idea was to allow super-heavies in regular games that they'd be able to fit all the rules for them in the book rather than requiring you reference two other books to use it (aside from your Codex).

 brassangel wrote:
lol...That's not "moving on." That's "settling because I don't know how to budget for a real game like 40k."

What do you use to polish that oh-so-shiny white armour of yours?

To be fair, you pretty much need a 40k rulebook already, so it is one more book other than escalation.

And can we keep the silly 'my game's better than your game' out of the thread please?

 pretre wrote:
To be fair, you pretty much need a 40k rulebook already, so it is one more book other than escalation.

And can we keep the silly 'my game's better than your game' out of the thread please?

Has this "Apocalypse is required" thing actually been confirmed or is this still based on everyone repeating (admittedly not at all wild) speculation?

 pretre wrote:
To be fair, you pretty much need a 40k rulebook already, so it is one more book other than escalation.

Nothing wrong with needing the 40K rulebook. It's just odd that an expansion requires reference to yet another book on top of that. That's in the Apoc rulebook that couldn't be reprinted in the Escalation book? I mean if the whole point of the book is to bring super-heavies to games of regular 40K, shouldn't the book do that by itself?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
lol...That's not "moving on." That's "settling because I don't know how to budget for a real game like 40k."

What do you use to polish that oh-so-shiny white armour of yours?

Come on... you know that is a silly question. The only correct answer is purity seal spray bought at full retail price directly from GW.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:
To be fair, you pretty much need a 40k rulebook already, so it is one more book other than escalation.

Nothing wrong with needing the 40K rulebook. It's just odd that an expansion requires reference to yet another book on top of that. That's in the Apoc rulebook that couldn't be reprinted in the Escalation book? I mean if the whole point of the book is to bring super-heavies to games of regular 40K, shouldn't the book do that by itself?

Agreed. Seems strange, but I'll hold judgement until I see the book or a more detailed review.

 Commissar Merces wrote:
I would be very wary of these expansions. The fact that you have to have the Apoc book AND this expansion tells me that it may reference page numbers to the Apoc book for rules rather than have content of its own.

I have a suspicion that what this will end up being is a Crusade of Fire type book with a few scenarios, maybe a new force organization chart, and a lot of pictures.

Buyer beware.

That is disappointing. I have a small number of superheavies that I'd like to use occasionally but having to buy the apoc book on top of this one would kill that mild interest. I echo the sentiments above that expansions should be self contained additions to the core rulebook (but compatible with other expansions).

 pretre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:
To be fair, you pretty much need a 40k rulebook already, so it is one more book other than escalation.

Nothing wrong with needing the 40K rulebook. It's just odd that an expansion requires reference to yet another book on top of that. That's in the Apoc rulebook that couldn't be reprinted in the Escalation book? I mean if the whole point of the book is to bring super-heavies to games of regular 40K, shouldn't the book do that by itself?

Agreed. Seems strange, but I'll hold judgement until I see the book or a more detailed review.

I will not , GW has really done it this time. From now on i will only buy one superheavy per year and not one more!

Why does 40k always gets the cover. What's on the back does does anyone know?

 warboss wrote:

 Commissar Merces wrote:
I would be very wary of these expansions. The fact that you have to have the Apoc book AND this expansion tells me that it may reference page numbers to the Apoc book for rules rather than have content of its own.

I have a suspicion that what this will end up being is a Crusade of Fire type book with a few scenarios, maybe a new force organization chart, and a lot of pictures.

Buyer beware.

That is disappointing. I have a small number of superheavies that I'd like to use occasionally but having to buy the apoc book on top of this one would kill that mild interest. I echo the sentiments above that expansions should be self contained additions to the core rulebook (but compatible with other expansions).

Wait, so you own a bunch of superheavies, but don't have the apoc book already... What's the point of having superheavies (before now) if you don't have apoc? Display models? So you really lose nothing... I'm confused.

I was just guessing on the needing the apocalypse book. Though, loving super heavies will probably mean the additional purchase of the imperial armour apocalypse book as well. So the stealth cost of this expansion could be higher than anticipated...

I suppose it makes fiscal sense to ignore the biggest holiday for buying toys for young ones and just release a bunch of Hobbit stuff that no one will buy. Also solid to release a book that allows super-heavies in regular 40K games, because no one EVER hates unbalanced things in games.

Another solid WD it would seem. I'll save my voucher for the next one.

This thread seems to have turned into a game of Chinese Whispers...

 pretre wrote:
Wait, so you own a bunch of superheavies, but don't have the apoc book already... What's the point of having superheavies (before now) if you don't have apoc? Display models? So you really lose nothing... I'm confused.

I *USED* to own the previous apocalypse books and my store was big on open apoc events (see my gallery for pics of one) and I picked them all up during the time I owned the books. I didn't just go out and buy the superheavies and stand ins over the past 6 months while this newest version was out. Apoc has taken a nose dive in the past year or two there (two people showed up to the last marque apoc event for the apoc release instead of the 2-3 dozen that usually did). On top of that, my interest in 40k has waned significantly. I wasn't ever a big fan of apoc and even when I played it versus friends we put self imposed limits on it (no str D weapons, only X number of hull points). Combine the declining lack of interest with a possible requirement to buy two additional books (when frankly I've stopped buying GW products for the most part) and you have your answer. I got a little excited when I heard that this supplement would have rules for limited apoc in 40k (as that's what I ended up doing with friends anyways) but I'm not interested in buying two books to do so when one could likely easily have sufficed.

Comfortable mix of disappointment and happiness that there is nothing in that to tempt me at all.

 brassangel wrote:

SlaveToDorkness wrote:"Ya more Hobbit stuff!" -said about four people.

Meh... glad I'm moving on to Infinity and Firestorm Armada.

lol...That's not "moving on." That's "settling because I don't know how to budget for a real game like 40k."

Most of us absolutely know how to budget for 40k but are mature enough to realize that deeming something too expensive for our perceived worth of the item is not the same as not being able to afford it.

Also, the 'real game' jibe does mark you as drifting from any claims of common sense into the realm of squeeing fanboy loyalist. Infinity's rules are fairly excellent and sharper in definition than 40k's by a country mile.

Further, he was talking about The Hobbit, not 40k...

Just when I think the 'haters' are going too far in one direction, someone like you pops up and spouts something so utterly fething obtuse that it lends a whole new level of credence to the notion the haters carry that the only people left defending GW are rabid lunatics.

Oh Killer! More APOCALYPSE stuff from GW that I want to buy but have more sense than will to spend that kind of money on. I don't own APOCALYPSE. No one in my gaming circle owns APOCALYPSE. We are all raving 40k lunatics and none of us own it. I just always happen to want $80 more than I want that rule book, cuz you know I'm not going to stop spending money on models. Expansions for APOCALYPSE? A small percentage of people who over paid for (rule?)book will buy them. I doubt that anyone who doesn't own APOCALYPSE will buy any expansion that requires it, models aside. The problem is that the APOCALYPSE book is the gateway drug and the price of admission is too high. If I were willing to pay for the APOCALYPSE book, I would be more interested in buying a Lord of Skulls. Although I roll Nurgle almost exclusively, the LOS just looks like a joy to assemble and paint. Had I the APOCALYPSE rule book, I would be much more tempted to start a Necron army, cuz damn I wants the Vault of model building ecstasy. I guess the fact of the matter is that I can't keep up with "The Jones'" who are the status quo of APOCALYPSE loving maniacs that gobble up every piece of APOCALYPSE merch on release day and play APOCALYPSE every Saturday. I guess this is the majority of APOCALYPSE players and (obviously) their target customers. Someday I will buy one or both of those models....oh wait, what does that kind of money buy from Forgeworld? Looks like APOCALYPSE loses to Forgeworld. Again.