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Is it too much to hope that this Codex : Stronghold Assault will give us a set of coherent rules for using the existing fortifications that solves all the niggling issues that currently make the building/fortification rules such a mess? Or are we just going to get a book that repeats all the current stuff, with the apoc rules and a few scenarios featuring attacking an outnumbered defender entrenched in a Wall of Dead Cadians complex tacked on the end?

Sadly my money's on the latter, but the fact they've called the book a Codex gives me pause...

It is, as of this moment, only speculation that Apocalypse is required to use Escalation

Sorry for the big text, but it seems to be sailing over some people's heads.

If I can use a THawk in normal 40K with this book, I will buy, if I need to buy anything else, I will not. Simples.

HarryLeChien wrote:
Sadly my money's on the latter, but the fact they've called the book a Codex gives me pause...

They called Codex: Inquisition a codex too, it was almost just a reprint of the Grey Knight book.

To be fair, it is actually a stupid assumption, as according to rumours the book only adds 16 super heavies and probably no Apocalypse formations to the game. Difficult to fill a book with even these included.

 Commissar Merces wrote:
I would be very wary of these expansions. The fact that you have to have the Apoc book AND this expansion tells me that it may reference page numbers to the Apoc book for rules rather than have content of its own.

I have a suspicion that what this will end up being is a Crusade of Fire type book with a few scenarios, maybe a new force organization chart, and a lot of pictures.

Buyer beware.

Sounds like the sort of thing we used to call "A White Dwarf Article".

 Kroothawk wrote:
To be fair, it is actually a stupid assumption, as according to rumours the book only adds 16 super heavies and probably no Apocalypse formations to the game. Difficult to fill a book with even these included.

You're talking about the company that produces 48 page codex supplements with two pages of rules. They could easily fill the rest with fluff, stories, and tank porn and it would be completely in line with recent releases as well as White Dwarf.

 Azazelx wrote:
Sounds like the sort of thing we used to call "A White Dwarf Article".

Ain't that the truth.



I still want the fortification book. I have a weakness for terrain.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

HarryLeChien wrote:
Sadly my money's on the latter, but the fact they've called the book a Codex gives me pause...

They called Codex: Inquisition a codex too, it was almost just a reprint of the Grey Knight book.

Eh you can diss the Inquisition Codex as lazy copypasta as much as you like but it still doesn't change the fact that GW were never going to invalidate the rules in one Codex with new ones in a second.

They do that all the time ! They call it “a new release of Codex XXX”.
But still, my point is them calling it a codex doesn't necessarily mean it won't just be some lazy copy-pasta.
Always expect the worse. That's the only way to avoid disappointment, and maybe, maybe, have some good surprises from time to time.

so....it'll be £25 for 2 not so good looking plastic spiders......just gonna go burn those dreams I had about making a drider army :/ pretty damn pleased that I picked this month to move over to warmahordes.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
wait I was wrong, they're finecast spiders.

nice to see I'll be getting a healthy dose "quality" and "extra sharp detail" with my purchase

/sarcasm

 squall018 wrote:

 Byte wrote:
I may finally have a reason to put my Baneblade together.

This was also the 1st thing I thought when I saw the above pics.

Its a pretty meh release for me, but only because I don't care about the LOTR stuff. I am looking forward to seeing some of the new 40k rules. Hopefully its a good supplement and not just a picture book.

WHY DID YOU HAVE TO BRING THAT UP?!?

 brassangel wrote:
lol...That's not "moving on." That's "settling because I don't know how to budget for a real game like 40k."

I'm... not sure what makes 40k a real game and those others not? They all have rules, miniatures and extra bits such as templates and dice, and are played the exact same way - multiple people playing against each other.

Can you please elaborate on what makes 40k more of a 'real' game than others? Is it the sub-standard rules? A company insisting on milking a community it also insults behind its back? The overpriced miniatures? The overpriced books?

Don't get me wrong, I love me some 40k, mut it's mostly in spite of everything the company itself does. But that statement... just reeks of ignorance, or intentional trolling.

 -Loki- wrote:
Can you please elaborate on what makes 40k more of a 'real' game than others?

How about no.

Those are some expensive elves. I would be tempted to pick them up somewhere down the line just to paint them but at that price I would rather buy almost anything else.

 pretre wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Can you please elaborate on what makes 40k more of a 'real' game than others?

How about no.

It would be amusing at the very least

 pretre wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Can you please elaborate on what makes 40k more of a 'real' game than others?

How about no.

Now, now pretre. Let's not be so quick to shut down discussion. If brassangel wants to make the distinction between what constitutes a "real" and "not real" game whilst his porcelain armour gleams in the midday sun, then I believe we should let him speak his mind, or at the very least clarify his statement for the betterment of all.

Plus, as carlos13th said, it might be good for a laugh.

Any more on the Stronghold Assault? If this is an actual expansion I could see it being used a lot... I know I'd want to. Is it an optional thing like Planetstrike, or a compendium of rules for normal games like Crusade of Fire? The Iron Warrior in me in leaping up and down!

Greeat carry around more rulebooks than models, absolutley fantastic

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Interesting. I wonder if it suggests they had supply chain issues or something else that made them fail to get the Tyranids to market in time.

No, it suggests that the rumormongers who wishlisted that Nids would be in December were wrong. Nothing more.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Can you please elaborate on what makes 40k more of a 'real' game than others?

How about no.

Now, now pretre. Let's not be so quick to shut down discussion. If brassangel wants to make the distinction between what constitutes a "real" and "not real" game whilst his porcelain armour gleams in the midday sun, then I believe we should let him speak his mind, or at the very least clarify his statement for the betterment of all.

Plus, as carlos13th said, it might be good for a laugh.

If you want to take shots at one another and waste time on "entertaining" posts, do it somewhere else, and don't spam up a thread with decent information.

Does anyone knoe who sculpted Tauriel and the Wood Elf Rangers? Those are well done feminine models, and whoever ought to be drafted to make some guard females (start with say a commissar, techpriest, or tank crewer to test the waters) and Inquisition models.

 jifel wrote:
Any more on the Stronghold Assault? If this is an actual expansion I could see it being used a lot... I know I'd want to. Is it an optional thing like Planetstrike, or a compendium of rules for normal games like Crusade of Fire? The Iron Warrior in me in leaping up and down!

Heh, Crusade of Fire is many things, but a "compendium of rules" is not one of them. Try a "very loose description of how some peoples' Planetary Empires campaign panned out" and you'll be closer. Admittedly you get the little dark eldar arena game in there and some other little things but it's far from essential reading.

I'm trying to stay optimistic about these two new books but I'm also prepared to be disappointed.

MajorWesJanson:

I'm currently work blocked for photos but I think some of the White Dwarf shots of the clampacks do list who designed the models.

Tauriel was modelled by Michael Perry.

Some WD info:

Escalation:
Each race gets at least one Lord of War (super heavy), 16 data sheets included (a.o. Baneblade, Eldar Titan, Thunderhawk, Harridan). Includes rules to include these 16 Lords of War, a.o. (modified?) Titan killer weapon rules. Also 11 scenarioes, 8 of them "Altar of War", the other 3 "Gauntlet Challenge Missions" like "When Titans Clash". The rest of the 96 pages are filled up with game photos and artwork. There will be a German version in April 2014.

Codex Stronghold Assault:
48 pages, 17 of which are datasheets of existing Imperial terrain including some groups. All can be taken as the terrain slot in regular games. Those strongholds get updated rules (invalidating those in the box I guess), one page with stronghold upgrades, plus a summary of battlefield remains/ruins (?). A story of Cadians fighting against Nurgle and 2 pages of the most prominent sieges in history.

Sigmar's Blood:
64 pages of Volkmar invading Sylvania, with stories, scenarios and battle photos. The idea is that you and a friend start an Imperial and Vampire army to play this (that's what GW says almost literally in WD ). Filled with small historic details about e.g. units to give some atmosphere. Also campaign ideas on how one battle influences the next.

Desolation of Smaug:
64 pages. 5 scenarios of the second movie including spiderweb escape and barrel escape and three part scenario of big battle. Includes rules for all new units, painting guide and lots of photos.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Some WD info:

Escalation:
Each race gets at least one Lord of War (super heavy), 16 data sheets included (a.o. Baneblade, Eldar Titan, Thunderhawk, Harridan). Includes rules to include these 16 Lords of War, a.o. (modified?) Titan killer weapon rules. Also 11 scenarioes, 8 of them "Altar of War", the other 3 "Gauntlet Challenge Missions" like "When Titans Clash". The rest of the 96 pages are filled up with game photos and artwork. There will be a German version in April 2014.

Good stuff. Looks like I'll be buying this. Finally even more reasons for me to break out my FW superheavies. Hope FW support this release with some sort of FAQ to take into account any modified rules introduced - can't see them ignoring this much (which Marine player worth his salt wouldn't want to bring a Fellblade out to play without having to go full Apocalypse).

Nice to see they're taking the Forgewolrd "Lords of War" moniker. I suppose we can expect to see the Lord of War option added to the FOC.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Some WD info:

Escalation:
Each race gets at least one Lord of War (super heavy), 16 data sheets included (a.o. Baneblade, Eldar Titan, Thunderhawk, Harridan). Includes rules to include these 16 Lords of War, a.o. (modified?) Titan killer weapon rules. Also 11 scenarioes, 8 of them "Altar of War", the other 3 "Gauntlet Challenge Missions" like "When Titans Clash". The rest of the 96 pages are filled up with game photos and artwork. There will be a German version in April 2014.

Yeah! It's the book I wanted after all! I'm pretty pleased.

Not a must buy now item for me, but Escalation certainly just made the shopping list.

I've officially run out of excuses for not buying a superheavy, although the same can also be said of money unfortunately!

Wow such awesome, so good, such book....

 azreal13 wrote:
I've officially run out of excuses for not buying a superheavy,

How about the Battle Systems kickstarter

Nothing in december for me:
No LOTR army, no Fantasy Empire and Vampire army, no Imperial terrain in my army and won't use Apocalypse units in regular games out of respect for game balance.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Escalation:
Each race gets at least one Lord of War (super heavy), 16 data sheets included (a.o. Baneblade, Eldar Titan, Thunderhawk, Harridan). Includes rules to include these 16 Lords of War, a.o. (modified?) Titan killer weapon rules. Also 11 scenarioes, 8 of them "Altar of War", the other 3 "Gauntlet Challenge Missions" like "When Titans Clash". The rest of the 96 pages are filled up with game photos and artwork. There will be a German version in April 2014.

Really? It has that many pages? Colour me surprised.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Codex Stronghold Assault:
48 pages, 17 of which are datasheets of existing Imperial terrain including some groups. All can be taken as the terrain slot in regular games. Those strongholds get updated rules (invalidating those in the box I guess), one page with stronghold upgrades, plus a summary of battlefield remains/ruins (?). A story of Cadians fighting against Nurgle and 2 pages of the most prominent sieges in history.

Cool. More varied (and more combo) terrain pieces is a good thing IMO. Of course, 40K's default terrain set-up rules are non-conducive to the use of fortifications, but still, I love terrain and I cannot resist it.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Sigmar's Blood:
64 pages of Volkmar invading Sylvania, with stories, scenarios and battle photos. The idea is that you and a friend start an Imperial and Vampire army to play this (that's what GW says almost literally in WD ). Filled with small historic details about e.g. units to give some atmosphere. Also campaign ideas on how one battle influences the next.

I think campaign books are a good idea. This appears to be more flash than substance though.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Desolation of Smaug:
64 pages. 5 scenarios of the second movie including spiderweb escape and barrel escape and three part scenario of big battle. Includes rules for all new units, painting guide and lots of photos.

*crickets chirping*

 Kroothawk wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
I've officially run out of excuses for not buying a superheavy,

How about the Battle Systems kickstarter

Nothing in december for me:
No LOTR army, no Fantasy Empire and Vampire army, no Imperial terrain in my army and won't use Apocalypse units in regular games out of respect for game balance.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Some WD info:

Escalation:
Each race gets at least one Lord of War (super heavy), 16 data sheets included (a.o. Baneblade, Eldar Titan, Thunderhawk, Harridan). Includes rules to include these 16 Lords of War, a.o. (modified?) Titan killer weapon rules. Also 11 scenarioes, 8 of them "Altar of War", the other 3 "Gauntlet Challenge Missions" like "When Titans Clash". The rest of the 96 pages are filled up with game photos and artwork. There will be a German version in April 2014.

So what Lord of War does the Adepta Sororitas get I wonder...

Valete,

JohnS