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 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sad to see Destroyer Weapons made it in without change.

I'm mixed on it, but really they only made it in via the Aquila Strongpoint options, so it's not hard to avoid them for the Stronghold side of things.

Now for Escalation on the other hand, they're much easier to get.

wait,wait,wait,wait.

I only skimmed threw this thread mostly, and thought Stronghold gave rules and point costs for using the all the Wall of Martyrs stuff in regular game fortification slots. (Plus scenario missions with attacker/defender stuff.)

Are people now able to take D-weapons in regular games using that book?
O____O

Using either or both books actually.

So wait. Is this a supplement, or a expansion like Apoc or Planet strike?

 Lockark wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sad to see Destroyer Weapons made it in without change.

I'm mixed on it, but really they only made it in via the Aquila Strongpoint options, so it's not hard to avoid them for the Stronghold side of things.

Now for Escalation on the other hand, they're much easier to get.

wait,wait,wait,wait.

I only skimmed threw this thread mostly, and thought Stronghold gave rules and point costs for using the all the Wall of Martyrs stuff in regular game fortification slots. (Plus scenario missions with attacker/defender stuff.)

Are people now able to take D-weapons in regular games using that book?
O____O

Using either or both books actually.

So wait. Is this a supplement, or a expansion like Apoc or Planet strike?

It's not an expansion, there are some optional rules but it's now as legal as Allies or Fortifications.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Lockark wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sad to see Destroyer Weapons made it in without change.

I'm mixed on it, but really they only made it in via the Aquila Strongpoint options, so it's not hard to avoid them for the Stronghold side of things.

Now for Escalation on the other hand, they're much easier to get.

wait,wait,wait,wait.

I only skimmed threw this thread mostly, and thought Stronghold gave rules and point costs for using the all the Wall of Martyrs stuff in regular game fortification slots. (Plus scenario missions with attacker/defender stuff.)

Are people now able to take D-weapons in regular games using that book?
O____O

Using either or both books actually.

So wait. Is this a supplement, or a expansion like Apoc or Planet strike?

It's not an expansion, there are some optional rules but it's now as legal as Allies or Fortifications.

The macro cannon is an answer to jetseers, screamerstars, and riptide spam. I think for the points and money it's one of the quickest balances to the game available right now.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
The macro cannon is an answer to jetseers, screamerstars, and riptide spam. I think for the points and money it's one of the quickest balances to the game available right now.

And it just happens to be $115. What better way to push an expensive piece of scenery? ;-) Ok, ok. Am I the only one that thinks D weapons have no place in regular games?

"Ok. We took 30 minutes to set up the board, roll off and get our units on the table. Your turn."

"Alright. I fire my 10" pie plate of death at your army and it looks like 3/4 of it's gone now."

"?!@#@#$@#$@!!!!!"

It just makes it all kind of pointless, right? Keep in mind here that I don't play Apoc so you may have to talk really slowly on this one. :-)

 tetrisphreak wrote:
The macro cannon is an answer to jetseers, screamerstars, and riptide spam. I think for the points and money it's one of the quickest balances to the game available right now.

It's also an overpowered answer to everything else as well. The way to balance is not to add a new unbalanced element like an AV15 building with Destroyer weapons or 15" blast guns into a normal sized game of 40K. Other than the Aquilla Strongpoint, I love all the rules and fortifications changes and additions in the supplement. Adds a lot of flavor and flexability to add some variety, rather than just Aegis lines or Firestorm Redoubts everywhere in the local meta.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I did reviews on both Escalation and Stronghold assault for anyone who wants a look instide (so to speak) without dropping cash on it or pirating it:
Review: Stronghold Assault
Review: Escalation

Wait: Is it true that Eldar and Orks get Titans, and Tau get the Tiger Shark that depoys simple gun drones instead of the Titan hunter?

agnosto wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
The macro cannon is an answer to jetseers, screamerstars, and riptide spam. I think for the points and money it's one of the quickest balances to the game available right now.

And it just happens to be $115. What better way to push an expensive piece of scenery? ;-) Ok, ok. Am I the only one that thinks D weapons have no place in regular games?

"Pay to win" just escalated. Now you can sue your opponent, if he doesn't want to fight your Eldar Titan in regular games

 insaniak wrote:
Once upon a time, the downloads section on the GW website had a whole stack of articles that had originally appeared in White Dwarf.

I think, you must explain to the younger crowd, what a download-worthy WD article is

ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

This book really has one market: people who like Fortifications. Maybe even like them too much.

So me, in other words.

Yeah, probably you. And me. I like really terrain heavy tables myself and you can get kind of nuts with the Fortification Networks.

I love Xenos terrain and fortifications, guess it's not for me then

Looking at this picture.. is that a new barricade model or kit ?

Looks like it. It's certainly not a scratch-build, as GW doesn't do those any more.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's certainly not a scratch-build, as GW doesn't do those any more.

My thoughts exactly.

The weapons and crate on the left could come from existing kits, but the barricade itself looks to be a single piece.

So £30 so I can take, wait for it, the Khorne dozer!
Wow - not for me GW.


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Oh - thanks to Zion for actually putting out the contents so I know whats actually in the book.
Might get the strongholds one though.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Wait: Is it true that Eldar and Orks get Titans, and Tau get the Tiger Shark that depoys simple gun drones instead of the Titan hunter?

Yes. Unless FW adds more options or you house rule something.

 Kroothawk wrote:

I love Xenos terrain and fortifications, guess it's not for me then

The only one you couldn't really replace would be the Imperial Statuary, otherwise I'm sure converting things up would be completely appropiate. Especially the Void Shield generator which seems like a potentially very Xenos building.


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 bubber wrote:
So £30 so I can take, wait for it, the Khorne dozer!
Wow - not for me GW.


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Oh - thanks to Zion for actually putting out the contents so I know whats actually in the book.
Might get the strongholds one though.

No problem!

As for the limitations it seems they were based largely on which armies had plastic kits. The more you had for Apoc, the more options you got.

I think adding in extra FW options and even house ruling things for more options evens it out a lot more though.

It's a good excuse to buy this:


http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/sci-fi-generator-scenery.html

 bubber wrote:
It's a good excuse to buy this:


http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/sci-fi-generator-scenery.html

Who needs an excuse to buy that?

 bubber wrote:
It's a good excuse to buy this:


http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/sci-fi-generator-scenery.html

You'll need Battlements, but yes, that can work. Also while it comes with 1 Void Shield you can buy 2 more on it.

VSGs are listed with battlements but they're also impassible. So are they really necessary to "build" whole we wait for an imperial sanctioned model?

 tetrisphreak wrote:
VSGs are listed with battlements but they're also impassible. So are they really necessary to "build" whole we wait for an imperial sanctioned model?

Battlements give you something to put models on meaning more models fit inside the bubble.

I'm actually really liking the look of Stronghold Assault.
If I actually had fortifications I'd pick it up, but seeming I don't I may not get it for a while (if ever).

Here is another nice Escalation review posted on B&C:

As always, the problem isn't super-heavies. The problem is Strength D. It's always been Strength D. It's been like that since the original Apoc came out.

That combined with huge blast markers and multi-shot TL weapons (FW loves em).

Those at least follow the standard method of rules for wounding and removing casualties. Strength D circumvents the entire casualty resolution methodology, which is why it breaks games (even Apoc).

Strength D is the problem here, not super-heavies.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Here is another nice Escalation review posted on B&C:

I dislike that video because it doesn't really show anything other than an unbalanced match up is unbalanced. Who in their right mind goes into their games vs a Super Heavy and doesn't take enough stuff to kill it? This scenario only works if you don't talk to your opponent and end up "surprised" by it. And personally I feel that if that happens to you, it's your fault for failing to communicate with them.

That isn't a "review", it's a video made to reinforce a bias and panic over this new book by showing it in a match up clearly designed in the Eldar's favor.

In other news, FW says they have more Lords of War options coming, and not just the ones in IA2.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

In other news, FW says they have more Lords of War options coming, and not just the ones in IA2.

Nice - what did they say?

Also, I wouldn't be too shocked if future Codex releases include the Lord of War slot by default...

 zedmeister wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

In other news, FW says they have more Lords of War options coming, and not just the ones in IA2.

Nice - what did they say?

Also, I wouldn't be too shocked if future Codex releases include the Lord of War slot by default...

That IA2 had Lords of War in it and there would be more information about more of them in the near future. I'm guessing a free PDF that amends certain ones to have the "Lords of War" stamp.


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Addendum: they just emailed me back too (I emailed them and hit them up on Facebook as I don't always get replies from the Facebook), and the PDF should be out in the next few days.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
That isn't a "review", it's a video made to reinforce a bias and panic over this new book by showing it in a match up clearly designed in the Eldar's favor.
In other news, FW says they have more Lords of War options coming, and not just the ones in IA2.

Yeah, stupid teens who don't include a 500 $ Forge World models in their all-comer lists

 Kroothawk wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
That isn't a "review", it's a video made to reinforce a bias and panic over this new book by showing it in a match up clearly designed in the Eldar's favor.
In other news, FW says they have more Lords of War options coming, and not just the ones in IA2.

Yeah, stupid teens who don't include a 500 $ Forge World models in their all-comer lists

Umm. Reecius and jy2 are hardly poor teens.

Teens are supposed to be the major target group for GW, remember?

 Kroothawk wrote:
Teens are supposed to be the major target group for GW, remember?

The target group for gw is whatever the hater at the time says it is. In truth the target group for gw is hobbyists, but y'know. Whatever gets your post count up.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Teens are supposed to be the major target group for GW, remember?

Maybe start appropriately quoting what you are responding to previous to responding so your statements look like they aren't non-sequitors then? The post you were responding to was about Reecius and jy2's video.

Kroothawk wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:That isn't a "review", it's a video made to reinforce a bias and panic over this new book by showing it in a match up clearly designed in the Eldar's favor. In other news, FW says they have more Lords of War options coming, and not just the ones in IA2.

Yeah, stupid teens who don't include a 500 $ Forge World models in their all-comer lists