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Why?Its an expansion not a new Rulebook.We still have escape from goblin town.

In which case they'll be somewhat disappointed then.

 George Spiggott wrote:

Why?Its an expansion not a new Rulebook.We still have escape from goblin town.

In which case they'll be somewhat disappointed then.

Why? Its quite clear that its not a new rulebook. If anything they'll be glad that they only have a $33 softcover book to order and try to sell instead of a $85 harback book or a $100+ boxed set. I know I'm much happier with the route GW went with this release.

Great, two more books to make people more entitled to stupid gak.

The mini apoc one is guaranteed to be dead on arrival. Some factions have access to plastic super heavies, others will be given the awesome option of taking out a second mortgage to buy forgeworld stuff. Again, if this thing preceded the release of some more large plastic kits for codex's that don't currently have any it'd be one thing, but really it just sounds like a waste of paper.

The fortifications one just seems kinda stupid, the only rumour that I liked was flyers actually making use of landing pads, imagine that for once. Releasing rules for trenches seems fine but this whole giant complex crap will just complicate the game too much. How many entitled little gaks are going to show up to a tournament with a half dozen terrain pieces? Hopefully this thing gets put down early by TO's or it will just be another nail in the coffin of 6th edition, the entitlement run wild edition.

Well, that just happened.

 Crablezworth wrote:
Stuff

This, boys and girls, is why drugs are bad for you. Bad, bad drugs.

 Ghaz wrote:
Why? Its quite clear that its not a new rulebook. If anything they'll be glad that they only have a $33 softcover book to order and try to sell instead of a $85 harback book or a $100+ boxed set. I know I'm much happier with the route GW went with this release.

That would be in addition to the $100 'limited edition' box that's been sat on the shelf for a year not instead of.

xruslanx wrote:
gw release rules in white dwarf...the internet complains that they're unavailable.

Gw releases rules in a rulebook...people complain about having to pay for them.

If you guys think that the rules for an £80 model should be perminantly unavailable to someone simply because he didn't pick up a white dwarf one month, i'd love to hear your reasoning why.

I think the main argument was that, this being 2013, why not have the rules available as a free download after they had been featured in the WD? Or, even something as simple as having the rules included in the box?

Don't really think that anyone was a fan of the 'WD or bust' approach! Although the current trends of having to spend out big $ for the rules, before you even put a miniature down on the table, isn't exactly very generous when you compare to the approach used by practically every other company.

 George Spiggott wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Why? Its quite clear that its not a new rulebook. If anything they'll be glad that they only have a $33 softcover book to order and try to sell instead of a $85 harback book or a $100+ boxed set. I know I'm much happier with the route GW went with this release.

That would be in addition to the $100 'limited edition' box that's been sat on the shelf for a year not instead of.

No. Its 'instead of' a $100 'Desolation of Smaug' limited edition box that can sit on the display shelf next to the $100 'An Unexpected Journey' limited edition box.

 Ghaz wrote:
No. Its 'instead of' a $100 'Desolation of Smaug' limited edition box that can sit on the display shelf next to the $100 'An Unexpected Journey' limited edition box.

You're muddying the waters with fictional products. The points is If a product is replaced then UK independents get to send the old product back. If this book doesn't replace Goblin Town then they're stuck with it.

Doesn't matter though, because what I typed is what I meant.

 Ghaz wrote:
Doesn't matter though, because what I typed is what I meant.

So they have no reason to be thankful because they aren't getting a thing that you made up.

xruslanx wrote:
gw release rules in white dwarf...the internet complains that they're unavailable.

Gw releases rules in a rulebook...people complain about having to pay for them.

xruslanx posts something disingenuous and intellectually dishonest... no one acts surprised.

davethepak wrote:
A D Hit against a land raider explodes it on a 2+. (On a 1 you just get an auto pen). No saves of any kind. At all. Really. Nothing, zip.
No invul, no cover, no smoke, no will be back, no serpent shields, no disruption pods, no flicker fields - nothing. You are bitz in the dirt.

A D class blast will vaporize a squad of necron wraiths or storm shield termies, it will vaporize your eternal warrior storm shield chapter master (well, on 1 he lives....).
The are absolutely a bazillion times better than a S10AP1 (which I saw bounce several times today of av13, it was so sad...).

So, the D weapon actually reward taking many small, not to expensive units rather than big deathstars. It will rid you of those stupid rerollable 2++ screamstars, but it won't do much to a green tide of ork boyz. Maybe not so bad for the game, then.

It would be nice if the wall of martyrs got a points cost for each of it's segments. I would like a nice trench line for my IG rather than the aegis line.

 tankboy145 wrote:
It would be nice if the wall of martyrs got a points cost for each of it's segments. I would like a nice trench line for my IG rather than the aegis line.

It does. And it grants stubborn for the models in it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

xruslanx wrote:
gw release rules in white dwarf...the internet complains that they're unavailable.

Gw releases rules in a rulebook...people complain about having to pay for them.

xruslanx posts something disingenuous and intellectually dishonest... no one acts surprised.

Can one be intellectually dishonest with no evidence of intellect? I ask merely for information.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 tankboy145 wrote:
It would be nice if the wall of martyrs got a points cost for each of it's segments. I would like a nice trench line for my IG rather than the aegis line.

It does. And it grants stubborn for the models in it.

Where are there points listed? The only place I see it mentioned is in the apoc book but you get as many trenches as you want free so long as you buy that big cannon or missile base. And I don't recall that being allowed in standard games.

xruslanx wrote:
If you guys think that the rules for an £80 model should be perminantly unavailable to someone simply because he didn't pick up a white dwarf one month, i'd love to hear your reasoning why.

Why does publishing the rules in White Dwarf mean that something is going to be permanently unavailable afterwards?

Once upon a time, the downloads section on the GW website had a whole stack of articles that had originally appeared in White Dwarf.
Once upon a time, GW made back-issues of White Dwarf available through mail order.
Once upon a time, if a back issue wasn't available, GW Mail Order would just send you a printout of the relevant article.

Now? Introducing Stronghold Assault! We couldn't be bothered to actually finish off the fortification rules prior to releasing the 6th edition rulebook that they appear in, so now we're charging you $30 for errata! Yay!

Old white dwarf /journal articles used to be available at a cost, no different to digital format, i can rember having to pay £2.50 for an article in the old days from mail order, was only a small period it was available for free on the web site, if you want content then you have to pay for it, full stop. Nothing in life is free!!!

Well, except the stuff that used to be free...

 insaniak wrote:
Once upon a time, the downloads section on the GW website had a whole stack of articles that had originally appeared in White Dwarf.
Once upon a time, GW made back-issues of White Dwarf available through mail order.
Once upon a time, if a back issue wasn't available, GW Mail Order would just send you a printout of the relevant article.

Once upon a time, the world was a special place and dotcoms bloomed on trees. Free money floated through the air and sodies only cost a nickel.

In recent memory, WD articles weren't available except through WD originals. So this is an improvement. Was it better/different in the past? Sure. But this is still an improvement over what it was last year.

I did reviews on both Escalation and Stronghold assault for anyone who wants a look instide (so to speak) without dropping cash on it or pirating it:
Review: Stronghold Assault
Review: Escalation

Nice. I think I'll pick up Stronghold Assault.

 pretre wrote:
Nice. I think I'll pick up Stronghold Assault.

Thanks. Stronghold Assault got the most new rules to it from what I can tell, but I think Escalation has my favorite mission in this edition.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I did reviews on both Escalation and Stronghold assault for anyone who wants a look instide (so to speak) without dropping cash on it or pirating it:
Review: Stronghold Assault
Review: Escalation

Much appreciated.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
And before people ask, yes there are Forgeworld models in this book, just like there are in Apocalypse. So for those who like to argue that somehow the main game and Forgeworld are separate things, that gap you've been imagining got a lot smaller with this release.

That's nice.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I did reviews on both Escalation and Stronghold assault for anyone who wants a look instide (so to speak) without dropping cash on it or pirating it:
Review: Stronghold Assault
Review: Escalation

Much appreciated.

No problem. I'm the sort of person who'd pick this kind of thing up anyways so I figure when I do grab something like this I might as well share it so people can decide if they like it or not without needing to do a blind purchase for it.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
And before people ask, yes there are Forgeworld models in this book, just like there are in Apocalypse. So for those who like to argue that somehow the main game and Forgeworld are separate things, that gap you've been imagining got a lot smaller with this release.

That's nice.

I figured it was worth noting because something I've seen claims in the past that FW isn't legal because GW never puts anything FW into the "regular game" (which ignores half the IG vehicle options, but besides that), and this book did just that.

This book really has one market: people who like Fortifications. Maybe even like them too much.

So me, in other words.



Sad to see Destroyer Weapons made it in without change.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

This book really has one market: people who like Fortifications. Maybe even like them too much.

So me, in other words.

Yeah, probably you. And me. I like really terrain heavy tables myself and you can get kind of nuts with the Fortification Networks.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sad to see Destroyer Weapons made it in without change.

I'm mixed on it, but really they only made it in via the Aquila Strongpoint options, so it's not hard to avoid them for the Stronghold side of things.

Now for Escalation on the other hand, they're much easier to get.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sad to see Destroyer Weapons made it in without change.

I'm mixed on it, but really they only made it in via the Aquila Strongpoint options, so it's not hard to avoid them for the Stronghold side of things.

Now for Escalation on the other hand, they're much easier to get.

wait,wait,wait,wait.

I only skimmed threw this thread mostly, and thought Stronghold gave rules and point costs for using the all the Wall of Martyrs stuff in regular game fortification slots. (Plus scenario missions with attacker/defender stuff.)

Are people now able to take D-weapons in regular games using that book?
O____O

 Lockark wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sad to see Destroyer Weapons made it in without change.

I'm mixed on it, but really they only made it in via the Aquila Strongpoint options, so it's not hard to avoid them for the Stronghold side of things.

Now for Escalation on the other hand, they're much easier to get.

wait,wait,wait,wait.

I only skimmed threw this thread mostly, and thought Stronghold gave rules and point costs for using the all the Wall of Martyrs stuff in regular game fortification slots. (Plus scenario missions with attacker/defender stuff.)

Are people now able to take D-weapons in regular games using that book?
O____O

Using either or both books actually.