GW's digital advent releases : day 25 : Cypher audio and rules p22

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**xruslanx**

silent25 wrote:
jonolikespie wrote:
DarknessEternal wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Don't think, tournament organisers are happy with GW's current attitude:

GW explicitly* doesn't like tournaments and you already knew that. So what's your point?

*that means they've actually said so.

That is a recent attitude from GW that flies in the face of what a lot of fans want purely because GW dislike the idea of actually competing with other companies.

It's the current designers that don't like tournaments. They have been trying to purge any traces of ideas and rules developed by Alessio Cavatore who came from a tournament background. I personally suspect Matt Ward is the driving force as he seems to develop rules that hurt tournament style play. The Reign of Chaos table being the prime example. A rule that deliberately interrupts and slows down the game.

was pre-ward 40k balanced for tourney play then? I was never 'into' fourth edition but i remember the options in codexes being no brainers, even compared today.

And wasn't second edition the one where virus bombs gave turn 1 victories? If 40k used to balanced then this is news to me.

**Crimson**

Yeah, 40K was never balanced, but giving bunch of the most powerful units in the game a free buff is still lunacy.

**xruslanx**

Crimson wrote:
Yeah, 40K was never balanced, but giving bunch of the most powerful units in the game a free buff is still lunacy.

Not really. Four riptides is just as cheesy as three, and just as likely to get a game from me. 40k has always relied on players to not be dicks to each other...this new stuff doesn't change anything about that.

**H.B.M.C.**

xruslanx wrote:
Not really. Four riptides is just as cheesy as three, and just as likely to get a game from me. 40k has always relied on players to not be dicks to each other...this new stuff doesn't change anything about that.

I haven't heard anyone say "cheesy" in an unironic fashion for ages. You're adorable xru!

**xruslanx**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
xruslanx wrote:
Not really. Four riptides is just as cheesy as three, and just as likely to get a game from me. 40k has always relied on players to not be dicks to each other...this new stuff doesn't change anything about that.

I haven't heard anyone say "cheesy" in an unironic fashion for ages. You're adorable xru!

i may not be down with the kids any more, but i understood 'cheese' to be shorthand for overpowered and unfluffy units or combination of units. If there is some other, embaressing connotation i'm unaware of, do please enlighten me.

**Boogie**

Adeptus Astrartes Storm Wing

Like a bolt out of war-torn skies comes the Storm Wing – salvation for the Emperor’s forces, and a bane to their foes. The Adeptus Astartes Storm Wing gives Warhammer 40,000 players background information and rules that allow them to collect and field this deadly combination of fighter-craft.

For the Adeptus Astartes to achieve their rapid strike style of warfare, they need to maintain air superiority. Nothing clears the upper atmosphere better than the Adeptus Astartes Storm Wing. Two Stormtalons and a Stormraven Gunship in tight formation can unleash a hail of shot to send enemy fighters spiraling downwards. Rule the skies!

**meh_**

So that prediction which was put up by naftka was correct up to storm wing. What's next?

**Boogie**

We will probably see rules for:
- Eldar Ghost Warriors
- Tempestus Firebase

And WFB:
- Creatures of the Chaos Wastes
- Crypt Scavengers (but I dunno - that box contain some scenery - are there fortifications in WFB?)

That leaves us with 16 other releases (I bet that half of that will be something like Tactica books?).

**manrogue**

Anyone able to copy and paste the info across?

Work blocked : (

**Kroothawk**

"Tau Fireblade Support Cadre - For 290$ you didn't really expect the rules to be included, right?"

**Kelly502**

I'm losing track of the books, and iPad rules, magazines, updates... K.I.S.S is a great acronym.

**avedominusnox**

So anyone any ideas what will this formation does? Apart from letting you take them only as allies.

**PotentiallyLethal**

Really want the Creatures of the Chaos Wastes and add them to my growing Ogre Tribe

**rohansoldier**

I will be interested if they do a Ghost Warriors one.

I have downloaded Bela'kor and will likely use him at some point.

If something comes up for Ogres I will also be interested but not really fussed about buying models from other armies to do it.

**Mozzamanx**

avedominusnox wrote:
So anyone any ideas what will this formation does? Apart from letting you take them only as allies.

While at least one of the Talons remains alive, the Raven gains Strafing Run. It's not a massive bonus considering it's mostly Twin-Linked already but it's still nice. Also due to it's status as a Formation rather than Ally slot, you can effectively give Ravens and Talons to Angels/Wolves provided they can front the cost of the Formation.

**IndigoJack**

Mozzamanx wrote:
avedominusnox wrote:
So anyone any ideas what will this formation does? Apart from letting you take them only as allies.

While at least one of the Talons remains alive, the Raven gains Strafing Run. It's not a massive bonus considering it's mostly Twin-Linked already but it's still nice. Also due to it's status as a Formation rather than Ally slot, you can effectively give Ravens and Talons to Angels/Wolves provided they can front the cost of the Formation.

But the big question is, can anyone ride in the storm raven?

**avedominusnox**

IndigoJack wrote:
Mozzamanx wrote:
avedominusnox wrote:
So anyone any ideas what will this formation does? Apart from letting you take them only as allies.

While at least one of the Talons remains alive, the Raven gains Strafing Run. It's not a massive bonus considering it's mostly Twin-Linked already but it's still nice. Also due to it's status as a Formation rather than Ally slot, you can effectively give Ravens and Talons to Angels/Wolves provided they can front the cost of the Formation.

But the big question is, can anyone ride in the storm raven?

If you take it as an allied formation I guess that you can cannot ride anyone in it as the rules of alliance matrix still applies and even for battle brother it is prohibited. Apart from that I think from the quick first notes on this formation that it only confers rules for shooting and reserves and nothing for transport capabilities. Oh and I think that even this for armies like DA and SW is a big +.

**H.B.M.C.**

So... it's a Chibi-Hawk and two Space Guppy's as a formation, coming in as one Reserve Roll. Is that it?

**Boogie**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
So... it's a Chibi-Hawk and two Space Guppy's as a formation, coming in as one Reserve Roll. Is that it?

With 5 BS and pinning on all weapons - yeah.

**ZebioLizard2**

xruslanx wrote:
silent25 wrote:
jonolikespie wrote:
DarknessEternal wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Don't think, tournament organisers are happy with GW's current attitude:

GW explicitly* doesn't like tournaments and you already knew that. So what's your point?

*that means they've actually said so.

That is a recent attitude from GW that flies in the face of what a lot of fans want purely because GW dislike the idea of actually competing with other companies.

It's the current designers that don't like tournaments. They have been trying to purge any traces of ideas and rules developed by Alessio Cavatore who came from a tournament background. I personally suspect Matt Ward is the driving force as he seems to develop rules that hurt tournament style play. The Reign of Chaos table being the prime example. A rule that deliberately interrupts and slows down the game.

was pre-ward 40k balanced for tourney play then? I was never 'into' fourth edition but i remember the options in codexes being no brainers, even compared today.

And wasn't second edition the one where virus bombs gave turn 1 victories? If 40k used to balanced then this is news to me.

And yet it was Kelly who implemented both Chaos Tables in Fantasy and 40k..Hmm.

And no 4th edition wasn't, Skimmerspam ruled the day (Which was still Kelly's work

) What comes around, goes around for someone who has proven himself an imbalanced author again and again.

**Kirasu**

Hm I hope the Tempestus firebase gets rules since I actually bought that boxset..It didn't even come with the rules for the fortifications wtf.. you get those when you buy them individually.

**Brometheus**

I have absolutely no way of dealing with three BS 5 vs. ground targets fliers when they arrive.

Maybe I should buy a Tau formation, right?

**Kirasu**

Now you're getting it.. To deal with tau formation you probably gotta buy the Eldar formation

**Brometheus**

I are lerning smart!

**Ravenous D**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
So... it's a Chibi-Hawk and two Space Guppy's as a formation, coming in as one Reserve Roll. Is that it?

And as long as one talon is alive they are all Bs5 against everything but jetbikes, skimmers and flyers. And cause pinning.

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Brometheus wrote:
I have absolutely no way of dealing with three BS 5 vs. ground targets fliers when they arrive.

Maybe I should buy a Tau formation, right?

Why not both? There is no limit to the number of formations you can have.

**Oaka**

I could imagine buying two of these formations and having them both come in on turn 2 would be quite devastating. The only way to deal with six flyers entering play at once is to have six units with interceptor, right? Two Tau Firebase Cadres should do it!

**Brometheus**

Excellent! Stand by for my captain with bolt pistol and chain sword, two squads of 5 Tactical Marines, the Tau formation, the Ghost Warriors formation and the Storm Wing formation.

Let's do this, fellas.

**Oaka**

Brometheus wrote:
Excellent! Stand by for my captain with bolt pistol and chain sword, two squads of 5 Tactical Marines, the Tau formation, the Ghost Warriors formation and the Storm Wing formation.

Let's do this, fellas.

Nah, it should be a Warboss and two squads of Boyz. That way, you can tell people you're using your Ork army- bait and switch!

Edit: Bah, I got too excited. The allies matrix is still in effect for all these formations. It's still pseudo-Apocalypse rather than the full thing.

**Brometheus**

Horde?

Yes.

I do use a Horde army. I use Codex: Orks. Don't mind the big bag. It's full of Orks. Not riptides, Wraithknights and Storm Ravens outside the FOC.

Orks.

Screw you Thousand Sons. It's off to bigger and orkier things

**Ravenous D**

I hope nids are busted as hell, because they get none of this junk.