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Boomstick wrote:
Ive bought it and happy with it, its a nice book with some cool new missions which I intend to play and plenty of fluff to read when I get chance. Its defiantly at the high end of what im willing to pay but for Cypher im willing to spend the extra on something ive been waiting many, many years for and rather support this endeavour than moan about it.

At least they have you well trained.

Eyjio what you copied is true but he is actually a beast in both shor ranged and close combat. Not utterly useless but not the best either

 pizzaguardian wrote:
Eyjio what you copied is true but he is actually a beast in both shor ranged and close combat. Not utterly useless but not the best either

Oh yeah, if you can get him near enemies, he'll shred stuff. The problem is getting him near with only a 6" move (or 6+d6" if doing the blazing weapons run move). I don't really know what I expected but I can't see him getting particularly close to any enemies, so yeah.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
a friend* already sent me his* copy, gw s reasoning for the price seems to be pure quantity. the document is bigger then the otehr digital stuff and has a dataslate for a chosen+cyper csm unıt and cypher hımself.

the chosen-cypher thing seems fluffy but useless in reality.

Is the dataslate 1/3rd the size of a codex? IE around 33 pages or more because it's 1/3rd the price. This is in no way justified.

Ive bought it and happy with it, its a nice book with some cool new missions which I intend to play and plenty of fluff to read when I get chance. Its defiantly at the high end of what im willing to pay but for Cypher im willing to spend the extra on something ive been waiting many, many years for and rather support this endeavour than moan about it.

All you're doing is playing right into the scheme with that kind of thinking. They spent FIVE minutes writing rules for him, do you really believe they waited years because it was too time consuming? They're showing a complete disregard for your loyalty by charging 17$ for a single model's rules! You're basically saying thank you as they spit in your face.

This is our reward for waiting. Hurrah. :(

 Kirasu wrote:

 pizzaguardian wrote:
a friend* already sent me his* copy, gw s reasoning for the price seems to be pure quantity. the document is bigger then the otehr digital stuff and has a dataslate for a chosen+cyper csm unıt and cypher hımself.

the chosen-cypher thing seems fluffy but useless in reality.

Is the dataslate 1/3rd the size of a codex? IE around 33 pages or more because it's 1/3rd the price. This is in no way justified.

Ive bought it and happy with it, its a nice book with some cool new missions which I intend to play and plenty of fluff to read when I get chance. Its defiantly at the high end of what im willing to pay but for Cypher im willing to spend the extra on something ive been waiting many, many years for and rather support this endeavour than moan about it.

All you're doing is playing right into the scheme with that kind of thinking. They spent FIVE minutes writing rules for him, do you really believe they waited years because it was too time consuming? They're showing a complete disregard for your loyalty by charging 17$ for a single model's rules! You're basically saying thank you as they spit in your face.

This is exactly the point I wish people would realize. By paying $17 for a model's rules or $40 for a supplement you show GW that all your whining really means nothing, and you will still pay whatever price they set something at.

It is 111 pages when converted to pdf 30 pages of it glossary, 15 pages echose of war and 16 pages altar of war in addition to the 15 pages of unit fluff and rules (think of them like big codex pages i would say) while finishing with 30 pages of fluff.

reqlusiam 71 pages

stormwıng 29 pages

they are all converted by the same internet site so their page number ratio should be around the same.

Although my personal idea that dataslates feel like cheap cash grabs for the work that was put in. Done hastily through november or even december and even worse then day 1 dlc's since those usually have actual work put in them or specifacelly left out of the game. Gw stuff seems like afterthought

Wow positive people really should stay quiet in these parts. Seriously guys did they have to make rules for Cypher no, hes big with older Vets but the game has been moving on without him and has for a long time now. Did they spend time collecting and updating the fluff yes, write 6 new missions yes ( not hard but rather someone else than me) create rules for Cypher that are well thought out interesting and fluffy most certainly. That makes this a good product in my eyes and id rather pay a premium for things like this than not have them at all which is most likely or just have a quick rules reference sheet for him which would be cheaper but less interesting as a whole product.

I have no way to compare the size of the digital book to a real book as if you go by page numbers they're often 3x as big as a codex.. which obviously is false.

 Kirasu wrote:
I have no way to compare the size of the digital book to a real book as if you go by page numbers they're often 3x as big as a codex.. which obviously is false.

I can!

Digital eldar dex 214pgs
Paper dex 104pgs

The dataslates are a couple paragraphs and 2 pages of rules. They could have easily skipped the fluff and just made it a single page or PDF. But those days are over and we have people like Boomstick polluting the hobby with his justifications and support of bad behaviour while looking down on those that don't think its right.

I honestly just find it sad that this is the direction GW has gone in- gouging as much as possible on rules! Not even in paper, just digital format, and what, $10 less than an army book for Warmachine?

Obviously there is no obligation to pick these rules/missions up, but I feel that it represents GW's opinion of their customers, which is of sheep ready to be bled dry, no thanks for the business or loyalty, just "buy this and get the hell out."

I actually feel guilty about buying the adepta sororitas codex- I feel like I've helped encourage this new level of cost per content

Eyjio wrote:
Also, this:
Cypher can be selected as part of a primary detachment from the following codexes: Codex:
Adepta Sororitas

That just seems wrong to me.

 Kirasu wrote:
They're showing a complete disregard for your loyalty by charging 17$ for a single model's rules! You're basically saying thank you as they spit in your face.

Well, I'm pretty sure we all did, at one point. I bought my Adepta Sororitas codex. And before that, I bought my TWO White Dwarfs. Have you never done something similar ?

So I'm not missing something -- the Cypher book is just crazy expensive?
Seriously, it seems like someone went a bit mad pricing it. And I'm pretty pleased with the supplements, so it's not like I'm pushing that hard on them.

Anyone who purchases that product gives them reason to keep prices that high.

edit: I avoided the Be'lakor dataslate because I didn't want to buy the mini. I already have a Cypher mini, but once I saw the price I was scared off. Hm.

Oddly I like Belakor better and will pass on Cypher. Way to go GW (man you dumb). Missed a good chance for an excellent Christmas gesture you Sadducee executives.

Its typical GW, move forward with a good idea, get lazy and release junk, then gouge away on mediocre content.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
I have no way to compare the size of the digital book to a real book as if you go by page numbers they're often 3x as big as a codex.. which obviously is false.

I can!

Digital eldar dex 214pgs
Paper dex 104pgs

The dataslates are a couple paragraphs and 2 pages of rules. They could have easily skipped the fluff and just made it a single page or PDF. But those days are over and we have people like Boomstick polluting the hobby with his justifications and support of bad behaviour while looking down on those that don't think its right.

Yet you and the others are looking down and insulting him, Rather hypocritical don'tcha think?

But still, it is very expensive, but turning on each other isn't going to help..

I have a saying.

"Don't support dumb gak, or all you will get is more dumb gak"

He is not only supporting dumb gak, but getting defensive about it. Calling him out on it is a pointless attempt on my part to get him to use his brain. But that wont happen, because no one ever looks at what is written on the internet and says "You know what? He has a point".

The reality is, the problem of GW gouging and price raising is all our faults. Every time you help them it just enables them from doing the right thing and encourages this price gouging nonsense.

 Kirasu wrote:

All you're doing is playing right into the scheme with that kind of thinking. They spent FIVE minutes writing rules for him, do you really believe they waited years because it was too time consuming? They're showing a complete disregard for your loyalty by charging 17$ for a single model's rules! You're basically saying thank you as they spit in your face.

Hell, if you play the damn game at all I'm pretty sure you're saying thank you while they spit in your face. You may not be saying thank you with a mouthful of their spit, but you sure are rubbing it all over your face in front of the camera. The rules aren't that great. They aren't all that tight, or balanced, or fast, or detailed, or anything really. About the only thing I can say that is good about 40k from a rational view is that it has a lot of players and a bigger community, which can make it a little easier to get a game; of course, since this just means you can spend more time playing a mediocre game certainly minimizes this advantage.

So, yeah, just about everyone reading this thread is a bit off in the head. Either they're spending time playing a mediocre game, or they're... spending time reading about something they don't really care about. So what? Seriously. Why even bother caring about it; either for yourself or others? Unless bills are going unpaid because of 40k it just isn't that important.

So you can just choose to not analyze the game. Well, many of us can choose that; I suppose some of us can't and that's okay. If I just sit back and think about 'Giant robots the size of mountains.. with frikkin' lasers on their head.' 40k is pretty damn awesome. $17 for some rules? Yeah, that's a bit steep. $33 for Stronghold, $50 for a codex, and $75 for the BRB are all more than I think is an entirely fair price for what you get, but whatever. Giant. Freaking. Robots. Mount St. Skullmore. Flying robo-babies dragging missile-launching assault rifles. Whatever. I have more hobby money than hobby time, really, and frankly given the choice between spending half an hour trying to decide if a $17 is a worthwhile purchase or just buying it and spending half an hour enjoying myself, I'd rather do the later. (I happen to be enjoying venting some steam here.)

So instead of fetishizing Games Workshop's attitude towards customers as some sort of grimdark bukkake, maybe just sit back and focus on what's fun. Of course, if complaining about GW's prices is what's fun, I guess I can just file it under different strokes et. al.

Bitter irony. I play and collect Dark Angels. For X-mas, I got Cypher the Fallen Angel because I jumped the gun and asked for it. Thanks GW for overpricing his rules (so I wont be getting them), and making him unaccessable even in apocalypse. Way to mess up a cool x-mas present.

Thus I have dubbed the new alliance level for Cypher and Dark Angels..."Come thee apocalypse, then still hell no".

It's people like Boomstick that guarantee my next dividend payment. Thank you Boomstick.


*I'm actually glad I dumped 1/2 my GW holdings back in October when it was around 800 pence/share because it's in the toilet now.

 agnosto wrote:
It's people like Boomstick that guarantee my next dividend payment. Thank you Boomstick.


*I'm actually glad I dumped 1/2 my GW holdings back in October when it was around 800 pence/share because it's in the toilet now.

This is great news.

Somehow I bet the company will package the shares into single packs and charge people 2000 pence a share as a special promo giveaway!

 WarOne wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
It's people like Boomstick that guarantee my next dividend payment. Thank you Boomstick.


*I'm actually glad I dumped 1/2 my GW holdings back in October when it was around 800 pence/share because it's in the toilet now.

This is great news.

Somehow I bet the company will package the shares into single packs and charge people 2000 pence a share as a special promo giveaway!

I still wish it were in my means to own enough stock to show Kirby the door. I'd do it just to see the look on his face.

 bubber wrote:
I've also noticed that their share price has dropped more than £1 in just a few months so the markets have lost some confidence in GW too.
Hopefully this might get GW to look at their current strategy but I won't hold my breath.

They will just say the market is wrong!

WarOne wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Both.

With GW, it is usually a lingerie of horrors.

So... many... wrong... images.

Like this?

From a commenter on Faet:

I bought him and he's awesome!

I do feel they may have laid in with the awesome stick a little too much perhaps. He's a high points value - more than Kharn but less than Ahriman. He can fire 4 shots per shooting phase - 2 with each pistol, or he can fire one shot with each then run! He also has eternal warrior, shrouded, fleet, infiltrate, and hit and run (it's like they shook out an xmas stocking and every special rule fell out!).
He can join pretty much any Imperial army except Dark Angels (which was kind of to be expected) and can join Chaos Space Marines too. He can never be your warlord and your HQ takes a -1Ld for having him around. There's a special rule about giving Dark Angels bonus Victory Points, and one for him escaping into the warp to try and deny them that. And he uses his pistols in close combat so that half his attacks are Str 4 AP 5, and half are Str 7 AP 2! At I8!!! Oh, and his plasma pistol never gets hot.

There's also a data sheet for including him and up to 3 units of Fallen in an army (basically Chaos Chosen - could be a fun unit to add to some guard though!).

That's it from me for now though, have a merry xmas folks!

I don't think that price is at all justifiable, unless the model also comes with it.

Wow I thought the price was a typo.

 Lansirill wrote:
So instead of fetishizing Games Workshop's attitude towards customers as some sort of grimdark bukkake, maybe just sit back and focus on what's fun. Of course, if complaining about GW's prices is what's fun, I guess I can just file it under different strokes et. al.

Or you could pick a sensible position somewhere between the extreme ends of the scale and enjoy GW's stuff when it's earned it while calling them out when it has clearly not?

€ 13.- for a digital product like this is simply insane. This is not a premium price, it's an insult, and while I don't agree with the tone of the replies Boomstick got, I would say that motivating other players not to support gak GW puts out is more responsible than just sitting back and complaining. Or would you honestly like to see more like that?

If you want to support something GW made recently, go and buy Sigmar's Blood, I did yesterday (my first GW purchase in years to boot). Full of actual new content, almost no "have some photos of our models" pages, printed, translated, and with a price tag that is high, but not so far detached from reality it's practically in Narnia. You know, kinda like ALL of their releases before they saw "buying from GW" as their customers' favorite hobby.

Feth... I woke up and said "OK, I will buy Cypher, who cares I dont play him, its fluff, I can buy model...and for about 4-6 euro..."

...GAK?! 13 euro? Is this a joke? Nope. Nope, nope, nope. Simply nope. I am OK with reasonable price for one model digital-only addons. But this is not reasonable price.

Hahahah! That much for one character?

Does have a bunch of missions though.