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The Fall of the Eldar created Slaanesh.

If Mankind fell in the same manner, what sort of characteristics and traits would this new Chaos God have? What do you guys think?

He'd be called the God-Emperor

Pretty much the culmination of the other gods, as their fluff was designed to personify of the worst of humanity, anyways. So a lusty, bloodthirsty troll with no respect for personal hygiene. Basically, a regular person except worse.

Probably a haughty, know it all god who makes conclusions on the dumbest things in all aspects of life all the time....

The benefit of serving it, temporary enjoyment.

Well all Chaos Gods are based on our darkest traits. So uhm, all of them into one huge Chaos god I suppose?

Humans are average middle of the road in most media, including 40k. So they'd give birth to all four chaos gods together, or the Emperor (who has all the emotions anyways).

A very strong Chaos undivided God, that hates everyone and everything!

That god's name is Matt Ward

Even worse... The new god and the main four now star in an overly dramatic reality television show. * shudder*

It'd be the know-it-all god of smugness and pedantry.

Er... fluff wise, Khorne, Tzeentch and Nurgle are Humanity's gods.

Tzeentch and Nurgle?!

Khorne I get, but next to violence, sex is easily one of humanity's biggest obsessions - partially because it is quite simply part of our genes, and as a species we have not yet transcended to a level where we are able to exert greater control over it. Various "military- and church-based incidents" should be testament to how mentally strong you actually need to be to escape this compulsion.

I know Slaanesh also stands for other things, and a lot of humans are obsessed with food or beauty as well, but to me, the biggest attraction seems clear.
I think we even had a poll on dakka like that once.

BrianDavion wrote:He'd be called the God-Emperor

Ninja'd ..

 Lynata wrote:
Tzeentch and Nurgle?!

Nurgle makes sense to me. The lengths human beings will go and what we'll do to be accepted and to belong. Tzeentch also, with our desire to have our way.

Wouldnt the god of humans be the god of ignorance and servitude

A giant internet troll.

Health and Safety, the twin gods of mankind's decline.

fishy bob wrote:Nurgle makes sense to me. The lengths human beings will go and what we'll do to be accepted and to belong. Tzeentch also, with our desire to have our way.

Don't these lengths generally focus on being beautiful? And does this desire to have it our way not usually express itself in violence?

I dunno, I guess I'm too focused on seeing Nurgle as the figurehead of sickness and decay, and Tzeentch for elaborate scheming. Neither seems like a "racial trait" of humanity to me - although there are certainly Tzeentchian tendencies as soon as you look towards those in power, be it politically (party leaders) or economically (industry giants).

 Lynata wrote:

fishy bob wrote:Nurgle makes sense to me. The lengths human beings will go and what we'll do to be accepted and to belong. Tzeentch also, with our desire to have our way.

Don't these lengths generally focus on being beautiful? And does this desire to have it our way not usually express itself in violence?

I dunno, I guess I'm too focused on seeing Nurgle as the figurehead of sickness and decay, and Tzeentch for elaborate scheming. Neither seems like a "racial trait" of humanity to me - although there are certainly Tzeentchian tendencies as soon as you look towards those in power, be it politically (party leaders) or economically (industry giants).

At work, typing from the phone, so I must be brief...

Nurgle isn't as much the god of ugliness and sores as it is the god of 'letting go', of accepting one's fate, of resignation. And for centuries, millenia even, mankind has accepted exploitation, poverty, starvation, illness and death as a godsend. Even now you have people telling us to accept the inevitable with a positive outlook and a smile in our face, be it job loss or a cancer diagnostic.

As for Tzeentch, it's Nurgle's exact opposite. Tzeentch's all about refusing to accept the current state of things, of challenging the status quo by mere force of will. It's about manipulating and learning to adapt in an ever changing environment. We are always striving to improve our lot in life and know others will do the same, often at out expense. Tzeentch fits the mindset of our current competitive, extremely mobile society just fine.

I'll write a tad more on this, but I'm rather short on time. More to come later, then.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
A very strong Chaos undivided God, that hates everyone and everything!

Malal?

 fishy bob wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
Tzeentch and Nurgle?!

Nurgle makes sense to me. The lengths human beings will go and what we'll do to be accepted and to belong. Tzeentch also, with our desire to have our way.

That's Nurgle's personality, not his portfolio. What draws people into Nurgle's worship is grim fatalism, determination and acceptance of their fate (as opposed to Tzeentch, where those people see their fate and rebel against it). Nurgle accepts all into his kingdom, because all things rot, but "being part of the crowd" is not an area of worship for him.

The chaos god of prejudice and ignorance

Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, and the God-Emperor are already chaos gods created by humanity.

 KommissarKiln wrote:
Pretty much the culmination of the other gods, as their fluff was designed to personify of the worst of humanity, anyways. So a lusty, bloodthirsty troll with no respect for personal hygiene. Basically, a regular person except worse.

This got a laugh out of me. Cheers to you. I'm also inclined to agree.

BrianDavion wrote:
He'd be called the God-Emperor

This....and all the bits about Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch being aspects of Humanity as well. Supposedly, the other three have their own birthdays rooted in human lore, such as Genghis Khan's bloody reign birthing Khorne and the Black Death birthing Nurgle. Dunno what Tzeentch's birthday is all about. Probably the birth of the micro-chip, when man thought they were smarter than god cuz we made sumfin 2 ya'digg?

But yeah, the Corpse-God is humanities aspect.

I remember one novel - Eye of Terror I think - that had Tzeentch actually planning to bring about the Emperor's death so as to fuse all the Chaos Gods into a single entity. And apparently, the Inquisition was aware of this and sought to prevent it out of fear, and that the other gods also didn't want it to happen. Which, ironically enough, is why Tzeentch wants it to happen, because everyone else doesn't want it to happen.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, and the God-Emperor are already chaos gods created by humanity.

Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch predate humanity by millions of years.

Mankind doesn't have a specific Chaos God. They simply contributed to Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch along with all the other sentient races. It also happened over long periods of time, while Slannesh popped out quite suddenly.

 Durza wrote:

Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch predate humanity by millions of years.

Actually, the fluff clearly states Nurgle was born of the Black Death, and Khorne was born of Genghis Khan's expansion across Asia and Europe. Slaanesh postdates humanity, too. The only one we don't know about is Tzeentch.

I thought Tzeentch was born during the Renaissance? Or was that just fandom?

That said, I heard that fluff was retconned. Then again, people who say that might simply be misinterpretting the birth of the warp creatures during the War in Heaven and the birth of the chaos gods as one and the same.

squidhills wrote:

 Durza wrote:

Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch predate humanity by millions of years.

Actually, the fluff clearly states Nurgle was born of the Black Death, and Khorne was born of Genghis Khan's expansion across Asia and Europe. Slaanesh postdates humanity, too. The only one we don't know about is Tzeentch.

That's giving humanity way too much credit. Those events were not solely responsible for the emergence of the 3 chaos gods. They contributed but didn't cause their emergence.


The slow emergence of those 3 chaos gods is why there aren't 4 Eyes of Terror.

Mankind isn't nearly psychic enough to cause the birth of 3 chaos gods, the Eldar only managed to make 1.

A few million skulls wouldn't be enough to make Khorne. A few million dying from disease wouldn't be enough to create Nurgle. And all our plotting through the years wouldn't be enough to create Tzeentch.

They could have been the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak, but they weren't the root cause. Its not like there was no trace of a being called Khorne in the warp before Genghis Khan rode across Asia and then suddenly BAM!!! Skulls for the Skull Throne!