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What printed book is those two pages copied from? I want to know where this Formations info is coming from?

I like the narrative idea of some allied ability, but feel they could have incorporated them in each Codex by saying things like:

'May take one troop and HQ from Codex: X to add to army'.

Having less ability to mingle would have been good too.

SYKOJAK wrote:
What printed book is those two pages copied from? I want to know where this Formations info is coming from?

Its the digital only stuff right now.

GW is doing the advent calendar where they are releasing a dataslate every day of December until the 25th.

So its entirely to make armies like this now:
Primary Eldar
2 Farseers,
10 jetlocks
2 units of 3 jetbikes
Allied DE
Baron
Warriors in Venom with night shields and grisly trophies
Allied formation Inquisitor
Coteaz
3 Plasma Cannon Servitors in Chimera
Allied Tau Formation
1 Riptide w/ ewo, Ion
6 Missile Broadsides with 2 missile drones target lock each.
ADL

total 1849

 Ravenous D wrote:

SYKOJAK wrote:
What printed book is those two pages copied from? I want to know where this Formations info is coming from?

Its the digital only stuff right now.

GW is doing the advent calendar where they are releasing a dataslate every day of December until the 25th.

So its entirely to make armies like this now:
Primary Eldar
2 Farseers,
10 jetlocks
2 units of 3 jetbikes
Allied DE
Baron
Warriors in Venom with night shields and grisly trophies
Allied formation Inquisitor
Coteaz
3 Plasma Cannon Servitors in Chimera
Allied Tau Formation
1 Riptide w/ ewo, Ion
6 Missile Broadsides with 2 missile drones target lock each.
ADL

total 1849

The customization is exciting but damn is that getting ridiculously complex to learn and keep track of all of the rules for everything.

Ohh quite nice. Imperial Fists with a Basilisk Allied Formation. An excuse for Legion Basilisks in normal 40K. At least I thought 3 Basilisks were an formation right?

SYKOJAK wrote:
What printed book is those two pages copied from? I want to know where this Formations info is coming from?

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/book/belakor-dark-master-digital/id768333757?mt=11

I downloaded the demo to iBooks on my iPad and then took pics.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Ohh quite nice. Imperial Fists with a Basilisk Allied Formation. An excuse for Legion Basilisks in normal 40K. At least I thought 3 Basilisks were an formation right?

There's a difference between Apoc formations and the new 40k Formation Detachments found in the digital dataslates. So far the only formation that has been provided is the Tau one that came out today.

 Unholyllama wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Ohh quite nice. Imperial Fists with a Basilisk Allied Formation. An excuse for Legion Basilisks in normal 40K. At least I thought 3 Basilisks were an formation right?

There's a difference between Apoc formations and the new 40k Formation Detachments found in the digital dataslates. So far the only formation that has been provided is the Tau one that came out today.

Well they do are usable in 40K Apocalypse as I read.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

 Unholyllama wrote:

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Ohh quite nice. Imperial Fists with a Basilisk Allied Formation. An excuse for Legion Basilisks in normal 40K. At least I thought 3 Basilisks were an formation right?

There's a difference between Apoc formations and the new 40k Formation Detachments found in the digital dataslates. So far the only formation that has been provided is the Tau one that came out today.

Well they do are usable in 40K Apocalypse as I read.

You are able to use them in Apoc; however, if the rule state they are an Apocalypse Formation only, it can only be used in Apoc. So Thursday when the Storm Wing formation comes out, there may be new formation rules for both apoc as well as plain 40k.

OP thanks for pointing it out. Interesting addition. I do like the Appoc formations...so this actually seems like an interesting addition.

Honestly any TO is probably best served with having a heavily house ruled event. Once you get through the rule ambiguities, poor balance of the book missions, and just general craziness. Any ideas of running a tournament with entirely from the BRB rules is probably dead.

I am curious to see what these formations will be like.

I am thinking I am beginning to like WH40K more and more. With the addition of formations, the game is becoming more realistic, (militarily-wise).

Most modern militaries are organized into platoon/company/battalion sized units. Not the ad-hoc skirmish formations that we have been seeing in WH40K over the last 2 and a half decades.

Now I am not saying that small unit actions (Fire team/KILLteam/Squad leveL,) don't have their place. They do. But I prefer the sliding of the scale more towards the Epic side, than the Kill team side of sence of scale.

 Ravenous D wrote:

SYKOJAK wrote:
What printed book is those two pages copied from? I want to know where this Formations info is coming from?

Its the digital only stuff right now.

GW is doing the advent calendar where they are releasing a dataslate every day of December until the 25th.

So its entirely to make armies like this now:
Primary Eldar
2 Farseers,
10 jetlocks
2 units of 3 jetbikes
Allied DE
Baron
Warriors in Venom with night shields and grisly trophies
Allied formation Inquisitor
Coteaz
3 Plasma Cannon Servitors in Chimera
Allied Tau Formation
1 Riptide w/ ewo, Ion
6 Missile Broadsides with 2 missile drones target lock each.
ADL

total 1849

Everything here is correct except for the "Allied formation Inquisitor"....Codex: Inquisition is not an Allied Formation, so for non-Imperial armies, they can be an allied detachment, but not a formation. Imperial armies can take them as an Inquisition detachment though (which essentially replaces an HQ and whatever else you take from the primary detachment, if I understand it correctly).

So if you are playing an Imperial army, you could do something like that, taking units from 4 different codices, which is kind of asking for trouble.

So wait... for the Tau formation, you don't have to have your primary detachment BE Tau? O.o

Noctem wrote:
So wait... for the Tau formation, you don't have to have your primary detachment BE Tau? O.o

Correct

 Jrandom wrote:

Noctem wrote:
So wait... for the Tau formation, you don't have to have your primary detachment BE Tau? O.o

Correct

Hit's head on desk repeatedly... What the bloody hell happened to my game?

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

SYKOJAK wrote:
What printed book is those two pages copied from? I want to know where this Formations info is coming from?

Its the digital only stuff right now.

GW is doing the advent calendar where they are releasing a dataslate every day of December until the 25th.

So its entirely to make armies like this now:
Primary Eldar
2 Farseers,
10 jetlocks
2 units of 3 jetbikes
Allied DE
Baron
Warriors in Venom with night shields and grisly trophies
Allied formation Inquisitor
Coteaz
3 Plasma Cannon Servitors in Chimera
Allied Tau Formation
1 Riptide w/ ewo, Ion
6 Missile Broadsides with 2 missile drones target lock each.
ADL

total 1849

Everything here is correct except for the "Allied formation Inquisitor"....Codex: Inquisition is not an Allied Formation, so for non-Imperial armies, they can be an allied detachment, but not a formation. Imperial armies can take them as an Inquisition detachment though (which essentially replaces an HQ and whatever else you take from the primary detachment, if I understand it correctly).

So if you are playing an Imperial army, you could do something like that, taking units from 4 different codices, which is kind of asking for trouble.

Incorrect, other then orks, chaos, daemons, crons and nids you can take an inquisitorial detachment.

SYKOJAK wrote:
I am thinking I am beginning to like WH40K more and more. With the addition of formations, the game is becoming more realistic, (militarily-wise).

Most modern militaries are organized into platoon/company/battalion sized units. Not the ad-hoc skirmish formations that we have been seeing in WH40K over the last 2 and a half decades.

Now I am not saying that small unit actions (Fire team/KILLteam/Squad leveL,) don't have their place. They do. But I prefer the sliding of the scale more towards the Epic side, than the Kill team side of sence of scale.

GW shareholders love you.


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Flying Toaster wrote:

 Jrandom wrote:

Noctem wrote:
So wait... for the Tau formation, you don't have to have your primary detachment BE Tau? O.o

Correct

Hit's head on desk repeatedly... What the bloody hell happened to my game?

Oh that's easy. Answer below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy04c-6DEgE

I actually like this change, Formations was the coolest part of Apocalypse for me.

But the way they are doing it however...

I have the Be'lakor datasheet for WH40K, and can confirm he is just a replacement HQ choice in either C:CSM or C:CD. Not an allied formation. He's nice, but one hell of a points sink. Outside of tournaments, I'm going to be using him because it would be just fun. IN tournaments, I can see him making Chaos Daemons scarier. "Oh yeah, that unit of 20 Bloodletters are invisible, and your ATSKNF Marines now have Terrorize cast on them. Oh, and all those Fear rolls are at -1 Ld. Your riptide just got puppetted to shoot your hammerhead. All in one turn. And if you actually fail any Morale rolls, I can cast even more next turn (+d3 Warp Charges). This is awesome."

Response: "Concentrate all fire on that Super Star Destroyer!"

Hee hee.

h yeah, that unit of 20 Bloodletters are invisible, and your ATSKNF Marines now have Terrorize cast on them. Oh, and all those Fear rolls are at -1 Ld. Your riptide just got puppetted to shoot your hammerhead. All in one turn. And if you actually fail any Morale rolls, I can cast even more next turn (+d3 Warp Charges). This is awesome."

So he's getting four warpcharges in one turn then despite being Psyker 3?

So he's getting four warpcharges in one turn then despite being Psyker 3?

My bad! Forgot one is 2 Warp Charges. Will have to wait till turn two to do that.

 chaosvoices wrote:
I have the Be'lakor datasheet for WH40K, and can confirm he is just a replacement HQ choice in either C:CSM or C:CD. Not an allied formation. He's nice, but one hell of a points sink. Outside of tournaments, I'm going to be using him because it would be just fun. IN tournaments, I can see him making Chaos Daemons scarier. "Oh yeah, that unit of 20 Bloodletters are invisible, and your ATSKNF Marines now have Terrorize cast on them. Oh, and all those Fear rolls are at -1 Ld. Your riptide just got puppetted to shoot your hammerhead. All in one turn. And if you actually fail any Morale rolls, I can cast even more next turn (+d3 Warp Charges). This is awesome."

Response: "Concentrate all fire on that Super Star Destroyer!"

Hee hee.

He's not a points sink, he's good value for points considering a similarly equipped DP costs the same. Also, you can only cast Invis and something else, because it's warp charge 2.

Hmm, the only thing that could be comparable is how many attacks a BM DP is getting vs him, since he's only getting base attacks.

So he'll be more utility then RAMCHARGEEXPLODE

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Hmm, the only thing that could be comparable is how many attacks a BM DP is getting vs him, since he's only getting base attacks.

So he'll be more utility then RAMCHARGEEXPLODE

True he doesn't have a DW, but don't discount the Fleshbane/Armourbane, with Master-Crafted thrown in. T8 WraithKnight? Wound on 2+ without needing Smash. I think that's cool.

Edit: Nevermind, the BM has Fleshbane too, so he would still get lots of attacks at 2+ wounding. Maybe you're more correct and he is support.

 chaosvoices wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Hmm, the only thing that could be comparable is how many attacks a BM DP is getting vs him, since he's only getting base attacks.

So he'll be more utility then RAMCHARGEEXPLODE

True he doesn't have a DW, but don't discount the Fleshbane/Armourbane, with Master-Crafted thrown in. T8 WraithKnight? Wound on 2+ without needing Smash. I think that's cool.

Black Mace is also fleshbane. However Be'lakor is much better than a BM Prince. DPs are about utility, not "ramchargeexplode" They're scalpels not sledgehammers. 300 points of Force Multiplication, not 300 pts of beatstick.

Faenyln is spot on about limited Allies. I'm grumpy enough to wish away allies altogether, but I think books specifically noting a few acceptable allies with strict limitations, as well as fluffy stories to compliment the allegiance and limitations would have been far better.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I actually like this change, Formations was the coolest part of Apocalypse for me.

But the way they are doing it however...

This. Formations have the potential to add all sorts of interestingness to the game. But GW seem to be taking it down the road of 'Just put whatever minis you have on the table' and away from distinct armies, which is a huge mistake IMO.

Exalt for Insaniak. I too, feel that we're moving a bit towards a more abstract setting, like MtG, and it seems like a poor choice.

 Ravenous D wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
What is this game going to look like by January? This seems crazy even for them.

I was just beginning to write up the rules pack for my tournament next year, but I think I will wait out December first just to see what we are left with.

I already sent out the message that formations and super heavies are banned from my events. Ive already been thinking about banning allies for the better part of the year because of the janky BS they create. Tournaments are going to be under lots of pressure to add ban lists otherwise its going to be utterly stupid.

I am done with GW for tournaments. Used to be you could take just your primary army, have some fun, and if you were a decent player at least place. Now they have opened up the floodgates of cheese, where only the beardiest lists will prevail. Its honestly sickening.

This formations in 40k stuff is setting a terrible precedent.