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2013/12/04 16:50:27
Subject: If you have mental health problems, avoid England at all costs.
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Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
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Manchu wrote: CptJake wrote:My country has a constitution in which the people have given certain responsibilities to the State, and the power to make good on those responsibilities. The same document goes pretty far to ensure individual rights are recognized, rights the State cannot infringe upon.
As Frazz pointed out, that's not quite correct. The state may infringe upon constitutional rights when it has, among other things, a so-called compelling interest in doing so. Unlike the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution is pretty ambiguous about the origin and nature of rights.
I'm unsure what the origin and nature of rights has to do with my argument. I surely did not bring them up, if it is an attempt at deflection on your part you could have done better. In cases where the people, through their elected representatives, have passed laws allocating the power to the State to limit individual rights, that power still comes from the people. Over time we have changed laws to expand or contract the power we allow the State to hold. The courts are supposed to ensure the State does not overstep and the State must be able to prove that 'compelling interest' in the courts.
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2013/12/04 17:06:22
Subject: If you have mental health problems, avoid England at all costs.
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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CptJake wrote: Conservative with strong libertarian leanings? Yep. Anarchist? Only when you take a portion of my post out of context.
Its almost as though I said:
Rather than actually calling you an anarchist, but by all means overreact and when you use the facepalm emote make sure that it can't backfire on you. I find it interesting that the ideologies of the deep right and the deep left bleed into each other.
 Medium of Death wrote:
I think certain posters just see the word "social", instantly loose their gak and assume the worst.
I think the best example by far is comparing the Social Services to the Schutz Staffel, very well done.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2013/12/04 17:09:32
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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2013/12/04 17:20:34
Subject: If you have mental health problems, avoid England at all costs.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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All this talk of anarchy makes me want to bust out the old metal albums. ANARCHY!!!!
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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2013/12/04 18:19:39
Subject: If you have mental health problems, avoid England at all costs.
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Solahma
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CptJake wrote:I'm unsure what the origin and nature of rights has to do with my argument.
That's a pity as it's the central issue. By what right do "the people" establish a government, as opposed to (for example) the divine right of a king? Are men endowed by their Creator with natural rights, as Jefferson found self-evident, or are what we call rights actually privileges afforded to the weak by the strong? In other words, are rights posited by man (including this ambiguous mob, "the people") or bound up inherently in man's nature?
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2013/12/04 19:02:55
Subject: Re:If you have mental health problems, avoid England at all costs.
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Medium of Death wrote:So now that we've been told that it was the Doctors that asked for the cesarean on medical grounds, as the woman was not fit to consent to the procedure, are we still calling Britain a fascist/orwellian state?
I think certain posters just see the word "social", instantly loose their gak and assume the worst.
It's not "Britain", it's Airstrip One.
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2013/12/04 19:09:40
Subject: If you have mental health problems, avoid England at all costs.
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Solahma
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Don't interrupt the Two Minutes Hate!
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2013/12/04 19:35:26
Subject: If you have mental health problems, avoid England at all costs.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Bloody Goldstein....
Anyways, the utter stupidity in calling Britain a police state is beyond comparison.
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Little orphans in the snow
With nowhere to call a home
Start their singing, singing
Waiting through the summertime
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2013/12/04 19:41:19
Subject: If you have mental health problems, avoid England at all costs.
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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 Imposter101 wrote:
Bloody Goldstein....
Anyways, the utter stupidity in calling Britain a police state is beyond comparison.
Off to the tower with you! 
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2013/12/04 19:43:08
Subject: If you have mental health problems, avoid England at all costs.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Little orphans in the snow
With nowhere to call a home
Start their singing, singing
Waiting through the summertime
To thaw your hearts in wintertime
That's why they're singing, singing |
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2013/12/05 00:03:09
Subject: Re:If you have mental health problems, avoid England at all costs.
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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Oh look, turns out not only is the whole story "questionable" if we're being polite(total utter paranoid bollocks if we're not), the two people involved in spreading this nonsense about have form and an existing anti-Social Services agenda. That "something of a panic attack" turns out to be "extremely intrusive paranoid delusions", and it turns out that she asked to go back to Italy, rather than being hurled unceremoniously into the Channel by the Border Force as the original "article" implied. It also turns out that the c-section was actually requested by the NHS, not by Social Services, because the woman had a pre-existing issue that meant she risked a uterine rupture if the child was born naturally - both her previous children had also been delivered by c-section. The request was granted by the judge because the child was due imminently anyway, and she was at the time suffering "psychotic episodes and delusional beliefs" so was not considered capable of consenting herself.
But I'm sure it would have been much better if she'd just been left to her own devices, since obviously mental health and child services professionals trying to preserve the lives of mother and child and ensure the child's safety is just a case of "dem dur ebil gubbamin'" intruding into people's lives 
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I need to acquire plastic Skavenslaves, can you help?
I have a blog now, evidently. Featuring the Alternative Mordheim Model Megalist.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal |
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2013/12/05 00:55:58
Subject: If you have mental health problems, avoid England at all costs.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Government, the cause of and solution to all of our problems.
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2013/12/05 11:43:32
Subject: If you have mental health problems, avoid England at all costs.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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A bunch of extra info on the case
http://www.headoflegal.com/2013/12/04/booker-hemming-and-the-forced-caesarian-case-a-masterclass-in-flat-earth-news/
As suspect it's not anything like as clear cut as the intial reports suggested, and the first reporters also seem to have personal axes to grind with the system
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2013/12/06 14:42:23
Subject: If you have mental health problems, avoid England at all costs.
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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Ah, so mis-information with the author and either too lazy to check facts or the more likely misleading information.
The new title may need to be: "Artistic license with news reporting."
I stand corrected: A "slap down" needs to be administered with bad reporting; fired, loss of tenure and brisk whipping...
We now can resume our regularly scheduled program...
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