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I've had a bit of a look around but I can't seem to find too many facts on this new super heavy based expansion. Could anyone give me a run down on how it's all going to work?

Bumping this. Curious minds and all that noise.

(Interested in which FW ones are included and what the list restrictions are.)

Agreed, I heard somewhere that the supplement would have a list of useable super heavies, so not every single one ever. Also, I'm a bit pants-wetingly nervous about the mandatory-ness of this supplement, as I've got a buddy with a LOT of baneblades.
If its like planet strike where its a totally different game then w.e, but if it is just "I own this book so i can bring super heavies all the time and none can stop me" then i'm gonna be sad.

I dont know about allowed lists. BUT there is a bit on faeit.

Something about bonuses to seizing initiative or bonus vps.

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 nwabudikemorgan wrote:
Agreed, I heard somewhere that the supplement would have a list of useable super heavies, so not every single one ever. Also, I'm a bit pants-wetingly nervous about the mandatory-ness of this supplement, as I've got a buddy with a LOT of baneblades.
If its like planet strike where its a totally different game then w.e, but if it is just "I own this book so i can bring super heavies all the time and none can stop me" then i'm gonna be sad.

About that...you can always say no. Be upfront with your friend. Tell him you're simply not interested in that style of game. Games should be fun for BOTH players.

I have no plans on playing with or against escalation - and that is perfectly fine to do!

 gossipmeng wrote:
I have no plans on playing with or against escalation - and that is perfectly fine to do!

Agreed.

Keep your apoc out of my 40k.

 nwabudikemorgan wrote:
Agreed, I heard somewhere that the supplement would have a list of useable super heavies, so not every single one ever. Also, I'm a bit pants-wetingly nervous about the mandatory-ness of this supplement, as I've got a buddy with a LOT of baneblades.
If its like planet strike where its a totally different game then w.e, but if it is just "I own this book so i can bring super heavies all the time and none can stop me" then i'm gonna be sad.

A single, unsupported, monstrously expensive vehicle? Yep, I'd be worried, too. Winning all the time is nice but gets boring after a while.

Seriously, Baneblades are nothing to be scared of.

Got to take a look at the Escalation book a bit ago. It's pretty much a straight copy-paste of the Apoc rules for the most part, everything is in as-is, D weapons, Apocalyptic Megablasts, all of it. Basically, you get an optional "Lord of War" slot, just like allies or fortifications, that you can take a Superheavy in. As noted elsewhere, if one side brings a Lord of War and the other doesn't, they get a +1 to seize the initiative. You get +1VP for every 3 HP's inflicted on the Lord of War (so basically, if you kill a Baneblade, you get as much as if you got Linebreaker, Slay the Warlord, and First Blood). Should make things turbo easy for many lists.

The only thing I'm potentially unclear on (and this is entirely possible that it may be me reading it poorly) is if you can take Superheavy units that aren't listed in the book as "Lords of War" due to some of the wording. Of those featured it was the plastic Baneblade and all variants, the Stompa, Revenant Titan, Thunderhawk, Harridan (I think), the plastic Necron apoc thingy, the Tigershark...and my mind's blanking, I think there was more but I don't remember.

Horus Heresy 2 basically has these rules in them. *shrug* they look like a ton of fun. Also - in HH2 there is something called "The Price of Failure" - Secondary Objective. When a Lord of War gets destroyed the opponent gets 2 additional victory points. I imagine they will do something similar in escalation.

Also Imperial Armour 2 (the new one) calls out specific units as "Lords of War".

Will An'ggrath and Scabiethraxx finally be able to come out and play?

 cvtuttle wrote:
Horus Heresy 2 basically has these rules in them. *shrug* they look like a ton of fun. Also - in HH2 there is something called "The Price of Failure" - Secondary Objective. When a Lord of War gets destroyed the opponent gets 2 additional victory points. I imagine they will do something similar in escalation.

Also Imperial Armour 2 (the new one) calls out specific units as "Lords of War".

These rules are also in HH1, and the game has to be atleast 2000 points min. /the Lord of war can't be more then 25% of your armies point cost. Bassicly it's Apoc light.
*Shrugs*

Sounds more appealing then normal apoc in all honesty.

I sure would like to play a Stompa in regular games, because it's kinda cool. I think it's pretty crap though, just consider what are it's chances of killing say a Riptide. Not gonna happen.

Didn't get anything on the points limits eh? From what I saw in WD I don't think there is a points limit to these things as long as you can afford them. It mentions them in games as low as 1500 pts... yikes.

Knew the Revenant would be in... any Imperial titans at all? Bah! Want to know if Imperial titans are in or not... Warhound is cheaper then the Revenant...

 Matt1785 wrote:
Didn't get anything on the points limits eh? From what I saw in WD I don't think there is a points limit to these things as long as you can afford them. It mentions them in games as low as 1500 pts... yikes.

1500? Thats bonkers.
O___O

Would rather use the age of darkness rules in hh1. Feels like the actully tried to make balenced rules...

 Matt1785 wrote:
Didn't get anything on the points limits eh? From what I saw in WD I don't think there is a points limit to these things as long as you can afford them. It mentions them in games as low as 1500 pts... yikes.

Knew the Revenant would be in... any Imperial titans at all? Bah! Want to know if Imperial titans are in or not... Warhound is cheaper then the Revenant...

No points limits as far as I could see. No Imperial Titans in the book.

"Tigershark"..... Well played GW well played.

YMMV

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/12/40k-escalation-latest.html

 Grey Knight Luke wrote:
YMMV

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/12/40k-escalation-latest.html

that sums up the game doesn't it?
"40k: YMMV"

Well, from the description at BoLS it appears there is no pt limit for the superheavy. You just can include one if you like.
Imagine a Stompa in an Ork army. Looks fun to me.

 Matt1785 wrote:


Knew the Revenant would be in...

I'm a little surprised they didn't use the Scorpion instead. It's a much better fit for Apoc-lite than a unit that's almost 1000pts.

I was kinda hoping they'd stick with all the 'lighter' super-heavy units and just tone down Destroyer weapons to S10 AP1 Ordnance for the 16 listed units. Now anyone with a Revenant is just going to walk all over every game with four D-strength large blasts every turn.

Yeah, D-weapons (as they currently are), have no place in "normal" 40K.
Apart from that, I have no problems with allowing any and all superheavies into a game, as long as they follow the 25% rule used in Heresy rules (no more than 25% of your total points can be spent on it).
If you can't kill a Baneblade in a 2000pt game, may the Emperor have pity on you should you ever face a couple of Riptides or Wraithknights.

*looks into buying a Revenant Titan* Sweet, now I can D-weapon you to death!! How would you like that death? 4 large blasts? Or 2 large blasts for each unit?

No points restrictions makes me think Forgeworld is going to have a HUGE call for Revenant Titans... because Eldar needed the boost.

In all seriousness though, I am a casual "Hobby" player, so I could see maybe one or two games against titans.. but I definitely won't be playing EVERY game against a Titan... hopefully others feel the same way.

I'm not at risk of facing any superheavies when playing with my friends, but that might happen once I complete my list and get to playing regularly at an FLGS. Frankly speaking, I'd like to face a Behnbleid in a match (I've got a comforting amount of Melta and Lascannon in my army), but Titans and more specifically, D-weapons, not so much.

it should be out pretty soon now if it goes out digitally, does it sold digitally?

The epub/mobi version is now available for downloading. There is no language resembling the Age of Darkness 25% requirement. The counterbalance attempt is solely 'both sides can do it,' bonus to seize against it, and the additional victory points for smacking it around.

I am mildly irritated but unsurprised that options are linked to primary detachment codex. I own two superheavy hulls but don't play Guard, and everything I do play is stuck with a thunderhawk, a useless flying ion cannon, or the derpcrusher of Khorne.

From what I see each of the units has a point value and has points to buy upgrades. So I'm pretty sure super heavies aren't just an auto include in your army. Pretty sure you pay the points.

 tankboy145 wrote:
From what I see each of the units has a point value and has points to buy upgrades. So I'm pretty sure super heavies aren't just an auto include in your army. Pretty sure you pay the points.

I'm pretty sure absolutely no one ever thought they'd be free. References to a lack of points limit are a comparison to the HH Age of Darkness rules that stipulate a Lord of War cannot exceed 25% of your point allowance, so Primarchs didn't pop up in 1000 point games. Such a restriction would have barred most of the Escalation book to games below 2k and that is probably why none exists.

Given the high level of durability and access to Destroyer weapons, many things are bordering on auto-include in larger games.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Yeah, D-weapons (as they currently are), have no place in "normal" 40K.
Apart from that, I have no problems with allowing any and all superheavies into a game, as long as they follow the 25% rule used in Heresy rules (no more than 25% of your total points can be spent on it).
If you can't kill a Baneblade in a 2000pt game, may the Emperor have pity on you should you ever face a couple of Riptides or Wraithknights.

I would normally agree, but I also think that rerollable 2+ invulnerable saves on squads have no place in the game either, and this is definatley an answer to that.

God I hate that crap so very very much.