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Yeah, it's tough to call them this early (which is why I didn't order any of that kit yet). We've learned a couple things today, but rules-wise we're still pretty in the dark.

rollawaythestone wrote:

 Lysenis wrote:
I think we are getting off track. . . *watches the skies for a Mod. . . *

Hmmm so Warriors. . . What are the going opinions atm? Still not worth it or maybe worth the time?

In my opinion, it is still to be determined. If their weapon options are effective and they have good support from the other aspects of the book, they may be especially useful. Here's waiting to see what Synapse does. The heavy weapons may be especially good, making Warrior broods attractive to pack in the heavies.

Hey I started playing back when the 5th edition codex was released. If they get atleast an AP3 weapon OPTION that to me is a HUGE improvement. . . as long as it has about a 24" range. . .

 Lysenis wrote:
I think we are getting off track. . . *watches the skies for a Mod. . . *

Hmmm so Warriors. . . What are the going opinions atm? Still not worth it or maybe worth the time?

This is going to take some time to decide...on the one hand reduced point costs book wide means you can fit more mcs in a list with them...making more s8 fire necessary to deal with the book as a whole...and most armies right now are very light on s8+...

I think it's definitely viable...but like terminators...you have to build around them to a degree

The current issue is the infantry based meta though...if other forms of Tyranid lists shift metas into a more mechanized manner there will be a reduction in small arms fir as well and this also benefits warriors.

In essence...time will tell.

 ductvader wrote:

 Lysenis wrote:
I think we are getting off track. . . *watches the skies for a Mod. . . *

Hmmm so Warriors. . . What are the going opinions atm? Still not worth it or maybe worth the time?

This is going to take some time to decide...on the one hand reduced point costs book wide means you can fit more mcs in a list with them...making more s8 fire necessary to deal with the book as a whole...and most armies right now are very light on s8+...

I think it's definitely viable...but like terminators...you have to build around them to a degree

The current issue is the infantry based meta though...if other forms of Tyranid lists shift metas into a more mechanized manner there will be a reduction in small arms fir as well and this also benefits warriors.

In essence...time will tell.

Very nice wrap up on this. I think 'Nids will impact the meta to a point but depending on their shooting capabilities will effect their viability.

If Warriors get Skyfire as an option or other good uses as such I think they will be viable but will ALWAYS need that Venomthrope protection which hopefully those are IC as well or it could be a bad day. . .

Also I HOPE Spores are still ok! I LOVED dropping 20 gaunts in the back field and unloading 60 shots. . . or now a set of warriors. . .

Lysenis, it's not so much the shooting as the pure survivabilty, catalyst now affecting two units at once is huge...I have a feeling more and more people are going to need to invest in psychic effect markers like I have.

DO IT TO IT wrote:

Davor wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Not to get too off track here, but Natfka only gets to the truth in the same way that a blind dartplayer gets to a bullseye. Volume of fire.

The problem with this is that he puts out so much crap that there is no way to know what's what. It makes him pretty useless as a source and only really good as a news aggregator from more reliable mongers.

I expected more from you Pretre. How come you attacking Natfka as a rumour source? He doesn't give out rumours, he just collects them. So while it's a lot he gives, he NEVER takes credit for them.

How come you are shooting the messenger?

Secret Natfka account spotted.

Not quite, but Davor, as I have said before. I have nothing against Natfka personally, but he is a rumor monger. He publishes rumors without sourcing, making him the source. If you want to discuss this further, feel free to pop over to the Ongoing Rumor Accuracy thread where we have debated it before and will continue to in the future.

Linked in my sig.

I may be a little late to the game but... why is the Carnifex in the HQ slot?

 McNinja wrote:
I may be a little late to the game but... why is the Carnifex in the HQ slot?

Old One Eye is now a HQ choice, and the plastic Carnifex kit can make Old One Eye.

Sorry Pretre, I see what you mean now.

Can't wait for the codex. A bit sad now. I ordered the limited edition codex, will have to wait till Monday or Tuesday now, unless they can ship same day on Friday.

Was planning for iPad interactive version as well, but that will have to wait till next pay day now. Argh. Can't wait.

Just curious, I see on the Canada and US site, they have a pic of the limited edition codex sold out, but not on the UK and Aussie site. Anyone know why is this? North American quotas of the Limited edition sold out?

 stonehorse wrote:

 McNinja wrote:
I may be a little late to the game but... why is the Carnifex in the HQ slot?

Old One Eye is now a HQ choice, and the plastic Carnifex kit can make Old One Eye.

The old one eye model was showing there earlier as well though?!?!

Eldercaveman wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:

 McNinja wrote:
I may be a little late to the game but... why is the Carnifex in the HQ slot?

Old One Eye is now a HQ choice, and the plastic Carnifex kit can make Old One Eye.

The old one eye model was showing there earlier as well though?!?!

Some people prefer the older model... can't think why, it is hideous, as were all of the metal 3rd edition Tyranid models.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:

 McNinja wrote:
I may be a little late to the game but... why is the Carnifex in the HQ slot?

Old One Eye is now a HQ choice, and the plastic Carnifex kit can make Old One Eye.

The old one eye model was showing there earlier as well though?!?!

Jes Bickham had a 3rd edition old One Eye model in the battle report vs tau last April. In this month's battle report he has replaced his model with one made from the carnifex kit, kitbashed with the open maw of a mawloc on the bottom of the jaw. So i'd say they're pushing for players to use the regen head to make an old one eye, rather than trying to sell the old metal model.

i thought there was going to be a How to paint citadel miniatures: tyranids?? Don't see it on Itunes yet..

Should it be concerning the 'gaunts now come in groups of 20?

Does this mean a minimum buy in for a squad is a 20 model unit?

 WarOne wrote:
Should it be concerning the 'gaunts now come in groups of 20?

Does this mean a minimum buy in for a squad is a 20 model unit?

The termagant armylist entry is printed (albeit tiny) in the White Dwarf - the unit composition is 10-30 termagants. You'll need a brood of 30 to unlock a tervigon as a troops choice, now, though.

Looking at the sprues for the Haruspex / Exocrine and Harpy / Hive Crone I notice that there are no Adrenal Glands and Toxin Sacs, interesting.

e delightfully disgusting, sack-fed drool cannon

I wonder the Crones weapon is really called the "Drool cannon" lol.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 WarOne wrote:
Should it be concerning the 'gaunts now come in groups of 20?

Does this mean a minimum buy in for a squad is a 20 model unit?

The termagant armylist entry is printed (albeit tiny) in the White Dwarf - the unit composition is 10-30 termagants. You'll need a brood of 30 to unlock a tervigon as a troops choice, now, though.

Where's this about needing 30 gants to unlock terv troops? I really hope that's not true.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 WarOne wrote:
Should it be concerning the 'gaunts now come in groups of 20?

Does this mean a minimum buy in for a squad is a 20 model unit?

The termagant armylist entry is printed (albeit tiny) in the White Dwarf - the unit composition is 10-30 termagants. You'll need a brood of 30 to unlock a tervigon as a troops choice, now, though.

K. Thanks for the heads up!

 Ol'Dirty wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 WarOne wrote:
Should it be concerning the 'gaunts now come in groups of 20?

Does this mean a minimum buy in for a squad is a 20 model unit?

The termagant armylist entry is printed (albeit tiny) in the White Dwarf - the unit composition is 10-30 termagants. You'll need a brood of 30 to unlock a tervigon as a troops choice, now, though.

Where's this about needing 30 gants to unlock terv troops? I really hope that's not true.

Its just a rumor not like we know for sure.

 Ol'Dirty wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 WarOne wrote:
Should it be concerning the 'gaunts now come in groups of 20?

Does this mean a minimum buy in for a squad is a 20 model unit?

The termagant armylist entry is printed (albeit tiny) in the White Dwarf - the unit composition is 10-30 termagants. You'll need a brood of 30 to unlock a tervigon as a troops choice, now, though.

Where's this about needing 30 gants to unlock terv troops? I really hope that's not true.

I'm really glad it is true...tervigons are our biggest crutch...myself obviously included

Hope so, it'd really be a freaking point sink to have to take 60 gants to unlock 2 tervs rather than 20 like it used to be. Not to mention needing to paint even more of the freaking little things to cover that plus spawns.

 Ol'Dirty wrote:
Hope so, it'd really be a freaking point sink to have to take 60 gants to unlock 2 tervs rather than 20 like it used to be. Not to mention needing to paint even more of the freaking little things to cover that plus spawns.

Perhaps this is GW subtlety telling you to buy more paint and models!

Soooo many of the same gants though . . . . . I think I've painted something like 60 of the things and really don't want to have to paint another 60 more to keep using the tervs...

 WarOne wrote:
Should it be concerning the 'gaunts now come in groups of 20?

Does this mean a minimum buy in for a squad is a 20 model unit?

And have 21 Strangle webs? Man I hope that thing got a major overhaul. Though 30 templates could be kinda sick.

Hmm, now that pre-orders are up, I don't know what I should get!

I know the codex isn't out so there's no way to know what's the best yet but:

I have no Tyranids yet, so i'm starting from scratch...

Are Hormagaunts really not going to be viable even with them being cheaper? I hate the Termagant model, but if they are really that much better, maybe I'll skip the Swarm Box and just buy a brood or two of Termagants.

For now I'm buying:

Hive Tyrant
Haruspex/Exocrine
Harpy/Crone
Carnifex Brood
two broods of either Horma's or Terma's

Anything to add or not buy?

Sorry if this is too off topic for the thread, I can post this in tactics heh

Anyone else think that a Bonesword & Lashwhip will count as a set of paired weapons?

Would be useful on Hive Tyrants to help get an extra attack if they take Scything Talons.

Do we know what base the Haruspex / Exocrine is on?

I thought originally that it was on the large flyer base, but then when they showed it in the lineup against the other range of nid creatures, its base looked smaller. Is that the case?

 Ol'Dirty wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 WarOne wrote:
Should it be concerning the 'gaunts now come in groups of 20?

Does this mean a minimum buy in for a squad is a 20 model unit?

The termagant armylist entry is printed (albeit tiny) in the White Dwarf - the unit composition is 10-30 termagants. You'll need a brood of 30 to unlock a tervigon as a troops choice, now, though.

Where's this about needing 30 gants to unlock terv troops? I really hope that's not true.

It's absolutely true. The army list entry in the white dwarf is small, but clearly legible.

"The scuttling swarm - for every termagant brood of 30 models included in your army, you can include 1 tervigon (pg 95) as a troops choice instead of an HQ choice".

It also bears mentioning termagants are 4 points each now, flesh borers are standard equipment still, and you can mix and match weapon symbiotes within the unit now.

Just got an email on the pre-order of Nids... MAN! I need to unsubscribe... I have enough mini's, projects etc... Love Nids!!