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Most of my complaints for things like "warriors are useful now because synapse is more needed" is that the statement is bunk.

Not that synapse is a problem. I have never had a problem with it either.

The problem is that warriors are not any more useful regardless of how critical synapse is.
The fact that lack of synapse went from "maybe useless" to "maybe harmful" is silly. (yes, yes, it maybe a buff too. That is no less silly.)
Like not having anything to make up for the lack of allies is silly. (Note: I do not really think Tyranids should have allies.)
Like Tomb Kings not understanding how their own magic works is silly.

There are plenty of ways to explain anything in fluff.

None of them make the game better.

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

Spoiler:

Personaly I get exited with each new Codex. My group spends a moth looking for them bigest Cheeze we can find and then when we finialy field the new army we just pull out lightly modified list of what we have been playing for a decade with some of the cool toys and that is about it.

As fo the Whiners

Look, I'm with the optimists, and am sure we'll have fun whatever happens.

But quit with the 'whiners' talk. People have a right to their opinion, and some of those posting opinions, like NIB, have posted a lot of tactical insights in the past, without posting silly insulting gifs. Calling people whiners is being like the drama queens who get annoyed if anyone suggests Tom Kirby is less evil than Darth Vader. People have a right to their opinions, even if they differ from yours or mine. No-one has the complete picture so far, so we all have to hold our nerves.

So gifs aren't ok, but broad, generalised labelling is?

Pleease tell me this was some attempt at humour and not the most blatant double standards?

People seem to think IB is programming. It's fairly obvious, however, that it is instead a programming or else a hardware limitation (if we insist on this dated computer metaphor).

 azreal13 wrote:

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

Spoiler:

Personaly I get exited with each new Codex. My group spends a moth looking for them bigest Cheeze we can find and then when we finialy field the new army we just pull out lightly modified list of what we have been playing for a decade with some of the cool toys and that is about it.

As fo the Whiners

Look, I'm with the optimists, and am sure we'll have fun whatever happens.

But quit with the 'whiners' talk. People have a right to their opinion, and some of those posting opinions, like NIB, have posted a lot of tactical insights in the past, without posting silly insulting gifs. Calling people whiners is being like the drama queens who get annoyed if anyone suggests Tom Kirby is less evil than Darth Vader. People have a right to their opinions, even if they differ from yours or mine. No-one has the complete picture so far, so we all have to hold our nerves.

So gifs aren't ok, but broad, generalised labelling is?

Pleease tell me this was some attempt at humour and not the most blatant double standards?

I dunno but you're sounding like a drama queen right now imo

I'm not sure you know what a drama queen is....

Back on topic everyone...

evilsponge wrote:

 The Shadow wrote:



And, in regards to the new rumours, I'm not believing any of it, not until I see it. Has anyone considered the fact that, if this guy had wanted to share the new rules - the actual rules that are in the book - he would have simply taken a picture of the pages of the relevant rules? I'm not sure how quick Photobucket uploads images, but I use Imageshack and that's quick. If I'd wanted to share a book's rules, it'd be far quicker for me to take pictures of every page and upload them, rather than type them out.

Warsser is funny about posting rules on their website, so you have do thing like "unit A has the weapon profile of weapon B" to get around it

I was implying that he'd post the pics on Photobucket, where he posted the Codex. Unless Warseer has similar rules governing links to such things?

Kirasu wrote:

 The Shadow wrote:

gorgon wrote:It sounds like some kind of funny cliche, but Tyranids have been through so many evolutions over the years that it's forced Tyranid players to become very good at adapting.

It all makes sense! GW are trying to make Tyranid players think like the Hive Mind!

Imposter101 wrote:This looks to be like another CSM situation. Pretty disappointing over all.

Meh, this annoys me as well. I remember how people were complaining about how utterly broken the Helldrake was and how CSM would kill us all. Now, "CSM are really bad".

An army can still be powerful in a tournament yet still be a complete failure of a book. GW doesnt like tournaments, therefore we should judge the book by how decent it is overall. CSM has so many completely useless entries and yes some good ones.

Point taken and I agree, just that the impression I get from many people is that they're shelving such and such an army because it's "terribad" or whatever, because they keeping getting beaten (no accusations of people being sore losers, by the way). They're not shelving it because it's mono-build.

Personally, since I've been using Tyranids again in 6th, I've had great success, often including some units people would call bad, like Hormagants and Venomthropes, and dropping the ones people view as auto-include, namely Hive Guard.

I have 13,000 points of Nids that I'll be selling off if they don't give us some kind of buff army wide. Right now it all looks like nerfs.

Oh people can only snap shot at my 5+ armor/cover model? Who cares, 10 marines will still double tap that guy down before he makes combat, once he's in combat, he'll rely on rends to actually do anything and die a horrible death.

I'm very disheartened so far.

Stormbreed wrote:
I have 13,000 points of Nids that I'll be selling off if they don't give us some kind of buff army wide. Right now it all looks like nerfs.

Oh people can only snap shot at my 5+ armor/cover model? Who cares, 10 marines will still double tap that guy down before he makes combat, once he's in combat, he'll rely on rends to actually do anything and die a horrible death.

I'm very disheartened so far.

With stealth I believe it takes 48 bolter shots to kill a lictor this way.

 azreal13 wrote:



So gifs aren't ok, but broad, generalised labelling is?

Pleease tell me this was some attempt at humour and not the most blatant double standards?

Please, chill! It was a comic remark; I wasn't aware anyone here actually believed Kirby is more evil than Darth Vader. If you actually think so and are therefore insulted, put me on ignore, as you seem to be stalking my posts on this thread - in which case it must certainly be a slow day at your office.

[/derail].

Anyway, back to painting up the flyrant a lovely poster on the tyranid hive gave us, ready for the Last Ride Of The Doom, tomorrow nite. Tears will be shed - hopefully by the Iron Hands.

We are playing a (small-ish) tourney from the 11th and have to switch for the new codex on the 18th, so I hope the Crone we've ordered is OP, as half our list is gone.

 The Shadow wrote:

gorgon wrote:It sounds like some kind of funny cliche, but Tyranids have been through so many evolutions over the years that it's forced Tyranid players to become very good at adapting.

It all makes sense! GW are trying to make Tyranid players think like the Hive Mind!

Imposter101 wrote:This looks to be like another CSM situation. Pretty disappointing over all.

Meh, this annoys me as well. I remember how people were complaining about how utterly broken the Helldrake was and how CSM would kill us all. Now, "CSM are really bad".

And yes, while the changing meta does affect things, people should over-hype or down-hype a certain something. Give the codex/army book a month or two to settle. I think people slating the book writers is pretty shameful too. Someone on this thread said "oh, Matt Ward would have done a better job". I'd be willing to bet that, had Matt Ward actually written it, that same person would be complaining about it. I enjoyed the last Tyranid book, it was pretty powerful in 5th edition and had some great playstyles. Overwatch, fortifications, flyers and the inability to charge from outflank, has reduced Nids to a very mono-build book, but it's still a good mono-build, and I've used slight variations of it with success as well.

And, in regards to the new rumours, I'm not believing any of it, not until I see it. Has anyone considered the fact that, if this guy had wanted to share the new rules - the actual rules that are in the book - he would have simply taken a picture of the pages of the relevant rules? I'm not sure how quick Photobucket uploads images, but I use Imageshack and that's quick. If I'd wanted to share a book's rules, it'd be far quicker for me to take pictures of every page and upload them, rather than type them out.

I compare it to be like the CSM codex because it's painfully reminiscent of the hype and denial, before we are provided with a low-tier codex only boosted to high-tier due to the imbalance of the number of fliers available to other armies in the game, at the time meaning the Hell-Drake became the next Plague Marine unit. The only worthwhile choice in the entire codex, leading to a repeat of the same build on a continuous basis, with every other option inferior in most ways. This is already the situation with the Tyranid (as you've mentioned), and it's lining up to be continued. The fact mono-build has become such a common thing shows the lacking ability of GW's writing team, and seems to be something that will always blight the game. CSM ARE really bad, since unless you wish to play mono-Nurgle or triple Hell Drake ho down you've got little in the competitive department left. The codex actually seemed to become more limiting, and just added a bunch more useless units and one useful one.

Stormbreed wrote:
I have 13,000 points of Nids that I'll be selling off if they don't give us some kind of buff army wide. Right now it all looks like nerfs.

Oh people can only snap shot at my 5+ armor/cover model? Who cares, 10 marines will still double tap that guy down before he makes combat, once he's in combat, he'll rely on rends to actually do anything and die a horrible death.

I'm very disheartened so far.

I agree with you. its a nice thing to have but its not going to help it unless your hiding behind some form of cover..

iam also a lil disheartened, ah well not long to go then we can see how good/bad it really is...

Im looking forward to it. I dont like the idea that maybe my bugs suddenly start taking bathsalts, but who knows the full picture?

Well, if most of this is right. I won't have to buy to much as I already run Nidzilla.

If they do take bio away I hope the hive tyrant has better base stats. Atleast better BS. I always used zoans in a spore to handle av 14... and it was so so because you have to pass your test... not have it denied... then roll to hit.. then armor pen roll.. lots of chance to miss.. doing this with 1 shot at bs3 costing me both my warp charges seems a little rough.

This from the black library:

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/The-Great-Devourer.html

Looks like Toxin Sacs are 10 points
Adrenal Glands and Acid Blood are 15 points
And Regeneration is a WHOPPING 30 points! Whoa!

If the rumor that the guy from Warseer holds true, for that point value Regen had better be WAY more than just IWND. I'm thinking Feel No Pain and Regen lost wounds on a 5+ each, for it to be worth 30. Otherwise, forget it.

Edit: oh thank goodness. I totally read that wrong.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
This from the black library:

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/The-Great-Devourer.html

Looks like Toxin Sacs are 10 points
Adrenal Glands and Acid Blood are 15 points
And Regeneration is a WHOPPING 30 points! Whoa!

If the rumor that the guy from Warseer holds true, for that point value Regen had better be WAY more than just IWND. I'm thinking Feel No Pain and Regen lost wounds on a 5+ each, for it to be worth 30. Otherwise, forget it.

It probably confers it will not die then, previously it was only 30 points for a tyrrano. (2+sv)

 streamdragon wrote:
...
dot dot dot
Dot Dot Dot
Dot Dot MOTHERFRELLING DOT

"Up to one".


Toxin Sacs and Adrenal Glands are both on the list.

I think that just means you cant take toxin sacs or adrenals twice. Not that it should matter rules wise, but that's how i read that part.

Is that it? Please don't tell me those 4 are all the biomorphs in the codex?


e: And yeah, it's up to one "of each." That part is fine.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
...
dot dot dot
Dot Dot Dot
Dot Dot MOTHERFRELLING DOT

"Up to one".


Toxin Sacs and Adrenal Glands are both on the list.

I think that just means you cant take toxin sacs or adrenals twice. Not that it should matter rules wise, but that's how i read that part.

No, no. you're right. I totally read it wrong and edited my original post accordingly.

...and still BS0...even if they have access to other disciplines, GW is sure telling you not to risk it.

DO IT TO IT wrote:
Is that it? Please don't tell me those 4 are all the biomorphs in the codex?


e: And yeah, it's up to one "of each." That part is fine.

Those are the four available normal Biomorphs. There's apex ones, etc so on.

Reading the past few pages of this thread reminds me of IMDB's sub-communities for movies that bomb.

Stage 1: Initial announcement of product. Be jaded.

Stage 2: Details begin to trickle in. Get cautiously optimistic.

Stage 3: Details start flowing. Red-flags show up for those still jaded, the optimistic go into wise-man mode and lash out against the jaded for making assumptions without knowing all the details.

Stage 4: A final bombshell of information is released, for movies this is the various trailers. All gak hits the fan. Many of the optimistic give in to their grief but the most stalwart insist that we still don't know all the details yet. Maybe the trailer was just bad. The marketing team is bad. The film could still be good! The jaded are bitterly laughing their asses off.

Stage 5. Community embraces the horror. The blame-game begins for the crestfallen, while the most stalwart, those who simply refuse to be phased, spend months insisting that the movie wasn't that bad; defending its flaws and attacking other members of the community (for 40K, this will be the group of people who insist for months that the community needs more time to judge the codex after its release. "We don't know all the best builds yet! Give it some time! There's still strong combos that we might have missed! Dataslates and expansion!" Just because there's no 2++ invuln cheese doesn't mean its bad!)

We're at stage 4 ITT.

Anyway, some of the flashbacks in here are disingenuous. I remember the rumor thread for Eldar, and I remember the rumor thread for Chaos Space Marines. By the time it was getting close to release time, hype for the Eldar codex was pretty positive because the rumors for it were very positive. Hype for the CSM codex was low because most rumors pointed to it being 4E CSM with Heldrakes.

DO IT TO IT wrote:
Is that it? Please don't tell me those 4 are all the biomorphs in the codex?


e: And yeah, it's up to one "of each." That part is fine.

According to the white dwarf scan of the Warriors entry, there's also "melee bio weapons" "basic bio cannons" and i'm assuming "advanced bio cannons" so there will be those charts. Also unit-specific wargear can appear in the army list entries, such as flesh hooks appearing in the warriors entry but not in the termagants or hormagants one.

So it looks like the new rumors are pretty certain that toxin sacs will remain the same and adrenal glands will be furious charge + fleet.

How do you think this will effect creatures that already have fleet. Do you think it will just be a useless overlap or will the combo have an additional effect?

 ductvader wrote:
...and still BS0...even if they have access to other disciplines, GW is sure telling you not to risk it.

The Broodlord always knows "The Horror", according to that page, so no, there is no risk involved. Do we know what "The Horror" actually does yet? I'm guessing it gives him Fear.

 streamdragon wrote:

 ductvader wrote:
...and still BS0...even if they have access to other disciplines, GW is sure telling you not to risk it.

The Broodlord always knows "The Horror", according to that page, so no, there is no risk involved. Do we know what "The Horror" actually does yet? I'm guessing it gives him Fear.

Forces a pinning check with a -Ld modifier, if Warseer guy is to be believed.

 streamdragon wrote:

 ductvader wrote:
...and still BS0...even if they have access to other disciplines, GW is sure telling you not to risk it.

The Broodlord always knows "The Horror", according to that page, so no, there is no risk involved. Do we know what "The Horror" actually does yet? I'm guessing it gives him Fear.

Well the risk would be in attempting to trade it for a discipline, as it currently stands, a broodlord can reliably get endurance or iron arm with ML2, but one power and continued BS0 means that you don't want to try taking anything other than the horror.

Previously the horror did what again?

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

 ductvader wrote:
...and still BS0...even if they have access to other disciplines, GW is sure telling you not to risk it.

The Broodlord always knows "The Horror", according to that page, so no, there is no risk involved. Do we know what "The Horror" actually does yet? I'm guessing it gives him Fear.

Forces a pinning check with a -Ld modifier, if Warseer guy is to be believed.

Interesting. I guess that's one way to save your Stealers from overwatch, since I don't think Pinned units can fire Overwatch.

Of course, now you just have to find something that isn't immune...