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Assuming he intends to stick around and it's not just a pick-up game so you'll be able to adapt to any quirks with it.

Never seen the lists, but assuming they are made to fit the 40k ruleset, then yes, no worries

Eh, I'd be wary. You need to go talk to the groups you're looking at joining, not ask on the internet and assume whatever we tell you will is what YOUR group thinks.

I know enough that it will be an uphill battle for him. As long as he sticks to a regular FoC with no Lords of War, things should be fairly balanced.

Bring it on.

No problem by me. Done it before.

The HH books aren't really meant for regular 40k play. They even have a blurb talking about that and, if you intend to go forward that you should "make allowances" for issues that may come up.

I'm all about including people, so I'd absolutely say yes... with a caveat. Namely that depending on how a number of games go there might be a few rule adjustments to make it work a little better. Those adjustments wouldn't be based on just 1 or 2 games though.

No problem. Its the most balanced list in the game and definitely not OP.

thisisnotaseriousaccount wrote:
Assuming he intends to stick around and it's not just a pick-up game so you'll be able to adapt to any quirks with it.

Sure, I'd play him.

I'd allow it if he had the models to go along with the list. If we are talking unpainted plastic tacticals..... then there is no reason he can't just use one of GW's marine codices.

I'd certainly give it a whirl, but to be honest, it might not fit well fluff-wise (for instance, my SM chapter didn't exist in 30k, and Eldar forces were very different then, but perhaps his list is a viable Traitor Marine force in 40k)? I'd try to make that work, but even failing that, I wouldn't want to exclude him...

Given that I myself play a legion list at times with my Red Scorpions (they're almost all with the Red Scorpions MkIV armor conversion kit), I would have no problem with it.
Beware the Moritat, and the Spartan with flare shield and ceramite armor, though.

As far as fluff goes, there can still be chapters out there that use the old legion style of warfare.

Probably not, personally. 30k is a different game with a different setting and somewhat different rules. Sort of like the difference between 40k and apocalypse, for example. I'd be a little bit surprised if my opponent whipped out an apocalypse army in 40k, and I'd likewise be surprised if my opponent did it with 30k stuff. And not in a good way.

Were I to do 30k stuff, it would be in a game of 30k, where I'd have my own pre-heresy army stuff. Including one from the other seems as wrong as it is a crummy idea.

Yep I think it would be fine. After playing for a while, if you decide it's not working you can always say "Look mate, we tried but it's just not working out. You might need to make a 40K SM list instead".

Absolutely - no problem at all.

In fact, I'd encourage it!

 Ailaros wrote:
Probably not, personally. 30k is a different game with a different setting and somewhat different rules. Sort of like the difference between 40k and apocalypse, for example. I'd be a little bit surprised if my opponent whipped out an apocalypse army in 40k, and I'd likewise be surprised if my opponent did it with 30k stuff. And not in a good way.

Were I to do 30k stuff, it would be in a game of 30k, where I'd have my own pre-heresy army stuff. Including one from the other seems as wrong as it is a crummy idea.

With Superheavies in 40k, the lines have been blurred.

Blurred, but not lost.

Or put it this way, let's say that someone showed up to play a game with a spearhead or a planet strike army. They're 40k-like games, but they're not 40k. They're just another expansion module that forgeworld puts out, designed to be played standalone.

 Ailaros wrote:
Or put it this way, let's say that someone showed up to play a game with a spearhead or a planet strike army. They're 40k-like games, but they're not 40k. They're just another expansion module that forgeworld puts out, designed to be played standalone.

What you're missing is that including Escalation makes more of a difference than including Heresy armies. A Revenant titan completely changes how the game will be played (and introduces massive balance issues, but that's another problem) for both players. A Heresy army is just a bunch of space marines that mostly function like every other space marine army. The difference between a 30k list and a 40k list isn't really much greater than the difference between different 40k marine codices now that lords of war are part of every 40k army. Arguing that Escalation is somehow less of an expansion than 30k is just nitpicking which logo is on the cover of the book.

And no, Spearhead and Planetstrike are not appropriate comparisons. Those expansions change the FOC and army rules for both players, and require special expansion missions instead of the standard ones. There's no such thing as a "Spearhead army" or "Planetstrike army", there are only games played using one (or more) of those expansions. On the other hand, playing a 30k army functions just like playing DA instead of C:SM. It's just different unit choices for one player that have no effect on the mission or the other player's army.

Allow?

I would not stop him. Of course, I might not play him either.

Also, if he were new...I would strongly suggest them to NOT play those lists.

Why? because learning the game with an OP army does not help you become a better player - seen it time and time again.

davethepak wrote:
Why? because learning the game with an OP army does not help you become a better player - seen it time and time again.

You realize that the 30k list isn't overpowered, right?

I haven't really spent time going over the HH lists, but everything I've seen out of them seemed fine. They're different, sure, and it takes getting used to when you're used to marines being a certain way and then BOOM they're...not that way any more. But over powered? Not at all.

Well, I'd probably ask to see the "codex" of the army he wants, just to make sure it's within the realm of reason (as I never saw 30k armies and heard conflicting reports on how well they fit)

As long it's nothing too far off, sure, as long he can fluff excuse where they came from.

I'd have no problem with it, as they seem fun and massed footslogging marines are not exactly the power list that will sweep the 40k scene clean. Plus, most xenos armies (Tau excepted) wouldn't need much fluff justification to fight them.

Sure if you have all the correct models and vehicle patterns ....

No Problems fighting that whatsoever. I've killed primarchs before.

As people have said, watch out for the moritat and the praetors.
Try to get different angles on his squads - when sergeants have a 2+ you just make it so someone else is nearer.

And if you have a beasty cc unit, don't forget the legion lists have no atsknf.

If they spend all their points on massive tanks - look forward to it. They'll either rolfstomp you or you blow it up quick and they're stood there with 2 min troops and a hq...

Happy to try it and see

No problem at all.

I have problems with small addons like the single vehicle from forgeworld or whatever only because it becomes a huge mess that I have no interest in trying to get an overview of (of exceptions to rules, special FOC rules, changes to equipment lists and god knows what else), but when someone comes along with what is essentially just a new codex, that's something that fits in nicely with how I see the game.

It would be nice to play against a 30k army, but that most likely won't happen, given that I live in this backwater excuse for a country... Not sure about the Primarchs, but I'd let the opponent try them just to see how powerful they are.

Primarchs are a bit much but remember they are a Lord of War choice and cant be included at less than 2000 points and cost more than a baneblade. Most stuff is still over priced, that Spartan with the goodies is 340 points and takes up a HS slot(in most cases). AA is still lacking without major hits on the FoC. Rites of war typically are not that super competitive thanks to all the restrictions that come along. Generally you still have to bring at least two in either combo of 150 ten man squads with just bolters and/or 250 point assault squads also bare bones, then you can add expensive cool stuff like support squads, heavy support squads or the elite stuff. The most difficult part of a HH list is on the player making the list. Unless the player goes off on a tangent on list making, your regular elder and tau lists will roll it. Even normal marines codices are more flexible.

Absolutely, in fact I would encourage it because it's something different.

Personally I don't know how well it would do against some of the armies out there since your general tactical squads don't get special weapons, and you are required to take another option to get them.. but could be cool to see.

I had started building one, but when money got tighter I sold it for my new endeavor. I do have another one on the back-burner though, I like the 30K feel and variety. Very in depth rules for those armies.

I actually would really like to play against a Legion list. It's one of the most interestings lists I've seen FW produce; very flexible, infantry-oriented, lots of interesting wargear, and few things stand out as being more powerful than normal; they either come with a drawback or a suitable points cost.

The only reason I'd say no is if they're using regular ol' plastic marines, and are just trying to get a leg up by using a different list. If you want to run a Great Crusade force, you have to actually, you know, build a suitable force; this is supposed to be a hobby after all. Only exception, to me, would be a Black Templar player; they've got the most justification for using something like that.

But then the fluff matters to me, and most people in my group, to varying degrees.