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2013/12/09 00:48:34
Subject: Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
I've already done quite a few units and I have ideas for the other main units that would be in a Thousand Sons Legion. This is pretty much gonna be a Codex in pre heresy style (6-8 units unique to 1k sons, with generic units)
Among the list of units are Magnus the Red, Ahriman (squad upgrade), Khalophis, Cataphracts, Seraphis Dreadnoughts, Scarab Occult Squads (psychic elite), Pavoni tactical Apothecary squads, and Pyrae Destruction squads
Well without further ado, as they say in Texas: Get er' done!!!
Magnus the Red, Primarch of the Thousand Sons
Spoiler:
Lords of War
Unit Type: IC Unit Cost: 530
Unit Formation: 1 Magnus the Red
[WS][BS][S][T][W][.I.][A][LD][...SV...]
[..6..][.6..][6][6][.6.][6][4.][.10][2+/4++]
Special Rules: Psychic Mastery 5, Primarch, Very Bulky, The Sorceror King, Sire of the Thousand Sons (in the style of "sire of" rules all the primarchs have)
Wargear: Crimson Scarab Armour, The Nepilim's Blow, Staff of Magnus, Book of Magnus
-Psychic Mastery 5: Magnus may pick any 5 powers from the BRB, excluding divination, and may cast up to 5 powers per turn. Magnus may only have 1 blessing active at any given time.
-The Sorceror King: Magnus is immune to Shadows in the warp, may not be turned into a herald, and rerolls all failed psychic tests.
-Sire of the Thousand Sons: Magnus confers a 4+ DTW, and a 4+ save against Perils of the Warp to all Thousand Sons psykers within 6 inches (judged on the individual model's distance)
=The Nephilim's Blow: A unique massive bolt pistol given to Magnus as a gift from Vulkan. S:7/ AP:3/ Assault 2/ pistol
=Staff of Magnus: A massive heqa staff Magnus always carries with him as a symbol of office. S: +1, AP:2, Melee, Rending, Two Handed
=Book of Magnus: A book containing all of Magnus' memoirs and innumerable rituals known only to the crimson king (which is also a sick hype band) The book is a one use item that may grant +2 mastery to a Thousand Sons Psyker (not Magnus) of the player's choosing. The effects last for 1 turn.
=Crimson Scarab Armour: This armor grants Magnus a 2+ armor save and a 4++invulnerable save.
***Stygian Lighting: Witchfire/ Cost:5/ S:10, AP:2/ Assault 10, MC, Psyfire/ Target: Enemy unit within 24 inches that Magnus has line of sight to./ Magnus loses 1 mastery level, for the duration of the game, after use of this power.
***Water to Acid: Witchfire?/ Cost:3/ Target: 1 body of water on the playing board/ Magnus turns the river/ pond into an acid river/pond with rules listed in the BRB (table when rolling to see what bodies of water are). Yes this is useless if the river is already acid
Khalophis, Captain of the 6th Fellowship
Spoiler:
HQ Unit Type: Infantry (IC)
Unit Formation: 1 Khalophis
Unit Cost: 195
WS:6/ BS:6/ S:4/ T:4/ W:3/ I:5/ A:4/ LD:10/ SV: 2+
Special Rules: Ultimate Pyromancer, Psychic Brotherhood (Pyrae), Pyrae, Fearless, Terror, Psychic Mastery (3)
Wargear: MC Volkite Culverin, MC Force Halberd, Artificer Armor, Psychic Hood
-Ultimate Pyromancer: Pyromancy powers used by Khalophis have +1 Strength, AP, +1 to assault value (Assault value must be 2 or greater) if the power already has this rule, and the Deflagrate Special rule
-Psychic Brotherhood (Pyrae): Powers are cast by the squad and not by individual models. For every model in the unit with this special rule, Pyromancy powers gain 1 inch of range, and Pyromancy Powers with the Assault, or Heavy rule (assault or Heavy value of 2 or greater) gain .3 to their assault or heavy rule's value. ICs contribute to the bonuses of this special rule but still cast individually.
-Pyrae: Pyrae units roll for 1 power from the Pyromancy table for every 1 level of mastery possessed by the squad.
-Psychic Mastery 3: Khalophis may cast up to 3 powers per turn, and rolls for 3 powers.
Vulkite Culverin: S:6, AP:5, Heavy 4, Deflagrate
Deflagrate means that for every wound inflicted (saved or unsaved) an autohit is inflicted with the weapon's unaltered profile.
Scarab Occult Terminator Elite
Spoiler:
Elites
Unit Type: Infantry
Unit Formation: 4 Scarab Occult, 1 Scarab Occult Commander
Cost: 310 points
Scarab Occult
WS:5/ BS:5/ S:4/ T:4/ W:1/ I:4/ A:1/ LD: 10/ SV: 2+/ 4+
Special Rules: Psychic Brotherhood, Psychic Mastery 1 (each model), Chosen of Magnus, Legiones Astartes (Thousand Sons)
Wargear: Cataphractii Terminator Armor, Force Weapon, Storm Bolter
Scarab Occult Commander
WS:5/ BS:5/ S:4/ T:4/ W:2/ I:4/ A:2/ LD:10/ SV: 2+/ 4+
Special Rules: Psychic Brotherhood, Psychic Mastery 2, Chosen of Magnus, Legiones Astartes (Thousand Sons)
Wargear: Cataphractii Terminator Armor. Force Weapon, Reaper Autocannon,
Special Rules
Psychic Brotherhood: This squad has unique powers when at more than 3 models. For the use of these unique powers add their masteries together.
Chosen of Magnus: All models with this rule reroll failed psychic tests, and possess a 4+ DTW.
Unique Powers
-Psychic Force Field: Type:?/ Cost:6/ A half sphere of raw psychic energy is created around the Scarab Occult with a diameter of 7 inches, protecting them from all harm. This force field is treated as armor 12 with 4 HP. The force field absorbs all attacks against the squad in the bubble until it is destroyed. The force field does not suffer explosions or immobilized results. The Scarab Occult may still shoot from inside the bubble at a BS reduced by 1.
-Psychic Bombardment: Type: Witchfire/ Cost:6/ Target: 1 enemy unit within 36 inches/ S:9, AP:2, 5 inch blast.
-Blessing of Fire: Type: Blessing/ Cost:4/ Target: Scarab Occult unit using the power/ Scarab Occult gain +1S, AP, and the Deflagrate rule with their shooting (guns)/ Duration: 1 turn
-Wave of Force: Type: Witchfire/ Cost: 5/ Target 1 unit within 20 inches of the Scarab Occult/ S:5, AP-, Assault 5, Concussive/ The unit hit with this power must take a Toughness Test on 2d3 or be blown back 3d3 inches straight back from the
nearest Scarab Occult.
-Devastation Maelstrom: The Scarab Occult gather all of their power at the moment to unleash massive quantities of earthshattering power. Type: Witchfire/ Cost:12 (can only be cast by a full squad with the Ahriman upgrade)/ Target: 1 enemy unit within 36 inches of the Scarab Occult unit/ S:10, AP:1, 10 inch blast, Psyfire.
Options
-May take up to 5 additional Scarab Occult for 55 points a piece
-1 Scarab Occult in 3 may replace his Storm Bolter with a Reaper Autocannon for 10 points, a Plasma Cannon for 15 points, or a Lascannon for 15 points
-The Scarab Occult Commander may be upgraded to be Ahriman with the following profile for 100 points:
WS:5/ BS:5/ S:4/ T:4/ W:3/ I:5/ A:4/ LD:10/ SV: 2+
Psychic Mastery 3, Chosen of Magnus, Sorceror Lord, Inspiring Presence, Psychic Brotherhood
Wargear: Artificer Armor, MC Inferno Pistol, MC Force Halberd
Sorceror Lord: Ahriman may choose (not roll) 1 of his 3 powers from Divination.
Inspiring Presence: Ahriman makes Scarab Occult models within 6 inches fearless.
Notes:
-The way melee works against the force field is that they surround the 7 inch circle (drawn in the terrain with a erasable utensil) and start hammering it.
-I forget the name of the psychic pets that the Thousand Sons had. What is it?
-Ahriman was always pretty good in cc, and was the ultimate seer in the Thousand Sons.
-No, Scarab Occult do not deal friendly damage against their own force field.
-Wave of Force is primarily meant to repel CC squads closing in on the Scarab Occult.
Pavoni Tactical Apothecary Squad
Spoiler:
Troops
Unit Type: Infantry
Unit Cost: 125
Unit Formation: 4 Pavoni marines, 1 Pavoni Sergeant
Pavoni Marine: WS:4/ BS:4/ S:4/ T:4/ W:1/ I:4/ A:1/ LD:9/ SV: 3+
Pavoni Sergeant: WS:4, BS:4/ S:4/ T:4/ W:1/ I:4/ A:2/ LD:10/ SV: 3+
Special Rules: (Pavoni Marine) Lesser Psyker, Psychic Brotherhood, Pavoni Healingm, Pavoni, Legiones Astartes (Thousand Sons)
Secial Rules: (Pavoni Sergeant) Psyker Mastery 1, Psychic Brotherhood, Pavoni Healing, Pavoni, Legiones Astartes (Thousand Sons)
Wargear: (Pavoni Marine) Bolter, Psy ammunition, Power Armor, Combat Knife
Wargear: (Pavoni Sergeant) Bolter, Power Armor, psy ammunition, Combat Knife
Unique Special Rules
-Pavoni: Pavoni squad members only roll their powers on biomancy
-Pavoni Healing: For every member of the squad there is .7 inches of healing effects representing the Pavoni as medics (so at full numbers this is 7 inches) The effects to units within this distance to Pavoni models are a 5+ FNP, and a 5+ IWND.
-Lesser Psyker: For every 2 members of a squad with this rule the squad has Psychic Mastery 1 (So 8 members would be psychic mastery 4)
-Psychic Brotherhood: Goes hand in hand with Lesser Psyker. The models in this squad add their masteries together when using their powers, and roll on a number of powers equal to their mastery.
Options
-May add up to 5 additional Pavoni marines for 22 points a model
-The entire Squad may have Enumeration Runes (5+ ignore Perils of the Warp) for 40 points.
-The Pavoni Sergeant may take Artificer armor for 10 points.
-Pavoni Sergeant may be Upgraded to Haathor Maat with an increase of W by 2 & I, WS, BS, and Psychic Mastery by 1. This upgrade costs 65 points.
Pyrae Devastation Squad
Spoiler:
Troops
Unit Type: Infantry
Unit Cost: 160
Unit Formation: 4 Pyrae Devastation Marines, 1 Pyrae Devastation Sergeant
Pyrae Devastation Marine: WS:4/ BS:4/ S:4/ T:4/ W:1/ I:4/ A:1/ LD:9/ SV: 3+
Pyrae Devastation Sergeant: WS:4/ BS:4/ S:4/ T:4/ W:1/ I:4/ A:2/ LD:10/ SV: 3+
Special Rules (Pyrae Marine): Lesser Psyker, Pyrae, Fearless, Fear, Psychic Brotherhood (Pyrae), Legiones Astartes(Thousand Sons)
Special Rules (Pyrae Sergeant): Psyker Mastery 1, Pyrae, Fearless, Fear, Psychic Brotherhood (Pyrae), Legiones Astartes(Thousand Sons)
Wargar (Pyrae Marine): Bolter, Incendinary Ammunition, Combat Knife, Power Armor
Wargear: (Pyrae Sergeant):Bolter, Incendinary Ammunition, Combat Knife, Power Armor
Unique Special Rules
-Lesser Psyker: For every 2 models in the unit with this rule, the squad counts as having 1 level of Psychic Mastery (so 8 marines would be Mastery level 4)
-Psychic Brotherhood (Pyrae): Powers are cast by the squad and not by individual models. For every model in the unit with this special rule, Pyromancy powers gain 1 inch of range, and Pyromancy Powers with the Assault, or Heavy rule (assault or Heavy value of 2 or greater) gain .3 to their assault or heavy rule's value. ICs contribute to the bonuses of this special rule but still cast individually.
-Pyrae: Pyrae units roll for 1 power from the Pyromancy table for every 1 level of mastery possessed by the squad.
Options
- May add up to 5 additional Pyrae Devastation Marines for 28 points a model.
- Pyrae Sergeant may take Artificer armor for 10 points.
- 1 in 3 Pyrae Marines may take a Heavy Flamer for 10 points or a Melta for 10 points
- The entire squad may have Enumeration Runes (5+ ignore Perils of the Warp) for 55 points
Seraphis Dreadnought
Spoiler:
HQ Unit Type: Walker
Unit Formation: 1 Seraphis Dreadnought
Unit Cost: 235 points
WS:5/ BS:5/ S:7/ Front Armor: 13, Side Armor:13, Rear Armor:11/ I:4/ A:2/ LD:10/ Hull Points: 3
Special Rules: Psyker (Mastery Level 2), Atomantic Shielding, Fleet, Fearless, Terror, Thousand Sons Sorceror, Legiones Astartes (Thousand Sons)
Wargear: Psy Ammunition, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Reaper Autocannon, Dreadnought CCW, Glorious Enumerations (Grant a 4+ ignore Perils of the Warp), Psychic Resonance System
Unique Rules and Wargear
-Thousand Sons Sorceror: Before his glorious confinement this astartes was a truly skilled sorcerer in a legion of skilled sorcerors. The Seraphis Dreadnought may Choose (not roll) 1 of it's powers from Divination, Biomancy, or Pyromancy.
-Psychic Resonance System: Designed by Magnus the Red himself for the greatest of his fallen sons, this device increases of the magnitude of powers cast by the dreadnought. Witchfire powers cast by the Dreadnought gain an additional 1 to the Assault or Heavy rule (Assault/ Heavy rule value must be greater than 2) if the powers have this rule. Biomancy Powers used by the dreadnought that normally use D3's now use D4's. The Dreadnought rolls a D6 when casting Divination or Telepathy powers and on a 6+, the power lasts 2 turns. However this all comes at a price. Powers cast by the Seraphis Dreadnought now have +2 to the dice roll requirement to set them off.
-Psyker (Mastery Level 2): The Seraphis Dreadnought may cast up to 2 powers per turn.
Options
- May be made into a Venerable Seraphis Dreadnought with an increase of Psychic Mastery Level by 1 (Level 3 Psyker) for 40 points
- May replace their Reaper Autocannon with a Volkite Culverin for 10 points, an MC Plasma Cannon for 15 points, or an MC lascannon for 15 points.
Cataphracts
Spoiler:
These massive war machines standing twice the height of the tallest astartes, and many times the width, were amongst the most widely used robots during the Great Crusade. They saw great amounts of use amongst the Thousand Sons legion who had a massive number of them, supposedly built on Prospero. They were amongst the most heavily armored and heavily armed of the robots of the Mechanicus. They were an absolute workhorse geared for almost any situation with their lascannon, Heavy Bolter, Flamer, and Powerblades.
Heavy Support
Unit Type: Monstrous Creatures
Unit Formation: 2 Cataphracts
Unit Cost: 220
WS:3/ BS:3/ S:6/ T:6/ W:4/ I:2/ A:3/ LD:10/ SV: 2+
Special Rules: Terror, Fearless, Unstoppable Charge
Wargear: Chest mounted Lascannon, Heavy Bolter, Machine Spirit, Powerblades, Flamer, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers
Unstoppable Charge: Cataphracts reroll failed charge distances.
Powerblades: These unique power weapons have a massive resovoir of power to draw from. These strike at Initiative 4.
Options
-May take up to 3 additional Cataphracts for 105 points a piece.
-The Cataphracts may be upgraded to have the Night Vision and Enhanced Senses special rules for 50 points.
-The Cataphracts may be upgraded to have Advanced Targeting Matrices (Increase of BS by 1) for 50 points.
-The Cataphracts may be upgraded to have Heavy Duty Servos (increase of I by 1) for 50 points.
Legiones Astartes (Thousand Sons)
The Thousand Sons are the sons of Magnus, who was by far the greatest psyker amongst his brothers, and whose powers rivaled the Emperor's.
There was an incredibly high rate of Psykers amongst the Thousand Sons which was nearing 50%. The Legion had lost nearly all of it's members to the Flesh Change before being reunited with Magnus. Due to their poor numbers they were forbidden from participating in the great crusade. Magnus unknowingly made a pact with the Changer of Ways to stop the flesh change that was ravaging his legion soon after being reunited with them. The legion finally had the numbers to join the Great Crusade near it's final years.
Models with this special rule have the Adamantium Will, Fearless, and Fear special rules.
Well?
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
2013/12/09 20:33:33
Subject: Re:Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
Jesus tapdancing bailettwirling Christ.
How are there no replies to this, yet?
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
2013/12/09 23:49:38
Subject: Re:Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
i was going to reply, just felt like waiting. i quite like the set up you've got going...i may have to barrow one or two things if you don't mind
"Those that Dare impersonate the dead are judged to join their ranks!"- Alucard
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2013/12/09 23:59:35
Subject: Re:Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
TyraelVladinhurst wrote: i was going to reply, just felt like waiting. i quite like the set up you've got going...i may have to barrow one or two things if you don't mind
Thank you. Feel free.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Anyone have anything else?
I'll take anything.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
2013/12/10 23:26:49
Subject: Re:Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
2013/12/12 04:10:45
Subject: Re:Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
Ok anyone have anything to say?
I'd like opinions of any kind.
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
2013/12/12 12:43:12
Subject: Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
Valkyrie wrote: Your general attitudes on previous homebrewed rules is what's preventing people from replying now.
From what I've heard from one guy, these are pretty good.
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
2013/12/12 23:07:22
Subject: Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
Valkyrie wrote: Your general attitudes on previous homebrewed rules is what's preventing people from replying now.
This. Why bother giving you feedback when the response to any criticism is insults?
What?
To any criticism?
To things that are blatantly wrong like primarchs being CM's with +1 wound, I would point out the hilarity of this and the fluff against it, but insulting? That's something else entirely.
I think I've responded to about 15% of criticism (from levels of the above) with irregard. I normally change my rules to incorporate criticism.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/12/13 00:55:55
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
2013/12/13 00:52:16
Subject: Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
Valkyrie wrote: Your general attitudes on previous homebrewed rules is what's preventing people from replying now.
This. Why bother giving you feedback when the response to any criticism is insults?
What?
To any criticism?
To things that are blatantly wrong like primarchs being CM's with +1 wound, I would point out the hilarity of this and the fluff against it, but insulting? That's something else entirely.
i quite agree with you, though in my personal opinion such idiocy should be punished but to each their own
"Those that Dare impersonate the dead are judged to join their ranks!"- Alucard
6970 points of Preheresy Night Lords 7681 points Preheresy thousand sons 8230 points Preheresy Iron Warriors 3230 points Preheresy Death Guard 4940 points preheresy Dark Angels 4888 points preheresy Iron Hands 2030 points preheresy Blood Angels 2280 points preheresy space wolfs 1065 points preheresy white scars 3210 points preheresy sons of Horus 1660 points Grey Knights 628 points Sister of Battle 2960 points adeptus mechanicus 18650 points Titanicus legio Nex Caput capitis 5566 points Imperial Guard 5875 points Preheresy Emperor's Children 3735 points Preheresy World Eaters 1710 points Preheresy Word Bearers 2090 points preheresy Imperial Fists 1570 points preheresy Alpha Legion 4600 points necrons 1420 points prehersy Raven Guard 960 points prehersy Salamanders 6334 points Tau Empire 20942 points tyranids 8722 points eldar 3125 points dark eldar 10745 points Bearers of the Light 1415 points Preheresy Luna Wolves 8508 points Chaos
2013/12/13 18:27:04
Subject: Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
Formosa wrote: I don't really get the pyrae bonus's, the added 0.3 what's that all about?
Have you simply considered adding the the mastery level for the amount of psykers in the unit?
Also I didn't notice the brotherhood of psykers rule anywhere, why is that?
If I did that the unit for 300 points would have mastery 10.
I dont see how the Pyrae's rules are that hard to understand.
The units all have thier own version of the brotherhood of psykers rule.
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
2013/12/13 20:05:56
Subject: Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
I don't think any of the units should be able to become a better psyker than fateweaver. They should definitely cap at mastery Lv 4 and I would go so far as to advise masterly level 3.
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2013/12/14 18:02:25
Subject: Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
I feel like Mastery Level 5 (and yes, even 3 in the case of some characters) is too much.
I feel like the psychic prowess of Thousand Sons is top-notch, but instead of making additional book-keeping required (ML: 5 or 3 powers to keep track of), there should be mechanics for making them *cast* better. Even the auto-pass (brotherhood banner, or 3.5 Thousand Sons?) would be nice on everyone? Hm.
Example: Magnus at ML: 4 is absolutely great with a free "Spell Familiar", not to mention his extra stuff.
Limiting Mastery Levels is one way to speed the game up.
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2013/12/14 19:37:38
Subject: Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
Brometheus wrote: I feel like Mastery Level 5 (and yes, even 3 in the case of some characters) is too much.
I feel like the psychic prowess of Thousand Sons is top-notch, but instead of making additional book-keeping required (ML: 5 or 3 powers to keep track of), there should be mechanics for making them *cast* better. Even the auto-pass (brotherhood banner, or 3.5 Thousand Sons?) would be nice on everyone? Hm.
Example: Magnus at ML: 4 is absolutely great with a free "Spell Familiar", not to mention his extra stuff.
Limiting Mastery Levels is one way to speed the game up.
Magnus.....at ML:4?
NO Maybe I'll reduce the mastery on some of the units. This topic is just starting to get replies.
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
2013/12/14 19:46:21
Subject: Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
Brometheus wrote: I feel like Mastery Level 5 (and yes, even 3 in the case of some characters) is too much.
I feel like the psychic prowess of Thousand Sons is top-notch, but instead of making additional book-keeping required (ML: 5 or 3 powers to keep track of), there should be mechanics for making them *cast* better. Even the auto-pass (brotherhood banner, or 3.5 Thousand Sons?) would be nice on everyone? Hm.
Example: Magnus at ML: 4 is absolutely great with a free "Spell Familiar", not to mention his extra stuff.
Limiting Mastery Levels is one way to speed the game up.
Magnus.....at ML:4?
NO Maybe I'll reduce the mastery on some of the units. This topic is just starting to get replies.
I have a strong hunch he will be lv4.
2013/12/15 01:26:17
Subject: Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
Brometheus wrote: I feel like Mastery Level 5 (and yes, even 3 in the case of some characters) is too much.
I feel like the psychic prowess of Thousand Sons is top-notch, but instead of making additional book-keeping required (ML: 5 or 3 powers to keep track of), there should be mechanics for making them *cast* better. Even the auto-pass (brotherhood banner, or 3.5 Thousand Sons?) would be nice on everyone? Hm.
Example: Magnus at ML: 4 is absolutely great with a free "Spell Familiar", not to mention his extra stuff.
Limiting Mastery Levels is one way to speed the game up.
Magnus.....at ML:4?
NO Maybe I'll reduce the mastery on some of the units. This topic is just starting to get replies.
I have a strong hunch he will be lv4.
Ahriman is ML 4. So I doubt he'll be ML 4. I'd say ML 5, but either way he'll be picking powers, with a few unique offensive powers.
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
2013/12/15 02:13:39
Subject: Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
Eldrad, who IMO is a more powerful psyker than Magnus, is still only ML4. I can't imagine Magnus being higher than 4, maybe 5 but I can't help thinking that'll be pushing it a bit.
2013/12/15 03:29:59
Subject: Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
Valkyrie wrote: Eldrad, who IMO is a more powerful psyker than Magnus, is still only ML4. I can't imagine Magnus being higher than 4, maybe 5 but I can't help thinking that'll be pushing it a bit.
Eldrad better than Magnus?
Someone must be dreaming.
Is Eldrad also a better psyker than the god challenging Emperor?
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
2013/12/15 04:36:14
Subject: Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
Valkyrie wrote: Eldrad, who IMO is a more powerful psyker than Magnus, is still only ML4. I can't imagine Magnus being higher than 4, maybe 5 but I can't help thinking that'll be pushing it a bit.
Not even remotely close to Magnus, and Magnus was number 3 in the imperium, malcador was stated to be more powerful, but thst can't be right!
Here is why I think they are all rated
In terms of power we have eldrad, he is like a scalpel
Then we have malcador, more of a fine dagger
Magnus is a sledge hammer
emperor is a star
Eldrad is so fine tuned to the powers that come with being am eldar Magnus could not bring the shear finesse that eldrad has,in turn eldrad does not have the psychic might to punch a gargant to death, eldrad would try to turn of the drivers brain, Magnus would literally tear it appart with his mind, thats different kinds of power
2013/12/15 11:25:02
Subject: Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
Valkyrie wrote: Eldrad, who IMO is a more powerful psyker than Magnus, is still only ML4. I can't imagine Magnus being higher than 4, maybe 5 but I can't help thinking that'll be pushing it a bit.
Not even remotely close to Magnus, and Magnus was number 3 in the imperium, malcador was stated to be more powerful, but thst can't be right!
Here is why I think they are all rated
In terms of power we have eldrad, he is like a scalpel
Then we have malcador, more of a fine dagger
Magnus is a sledge hammer
emperor is a star
Eldrad is so fine tuned to the powers that come with being am eldar Magnus could not bring the shear finesse that eldrad has,in turn eldrad does not have the psychic might to punch a gargant to death, eldrad would try to turn of the drivers brain, Magnus would literally tear it appart with his mind, thats different kinds of power
agreed
2013/12/31 18:06:26
Subject: Re:Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
2013/12/31 21:55:16
Subject: Re:Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
i tested the tac squad and the devastation squad, under the rule set i'm using (a mix of 4th and 3rd) they are beast
"Those that Dare impersonate the dead are judged to join their ranks!"- Alucard
6970 points of Preheresy Night Lords 7681 points Preheresy thousand sons 8230 points Preheresy Iron Warriors 3230 points Preheresy Death Guard 4940 points preheresy Dark Angels 4888 points preheresy Iron Hands 2030 points preheresy Blood Angels 2280 points preheresy space wolfs 1065 points preheresy white scars 3210 points preheresy sons of Horus 1660 points Grey Knights 628 points Sister of Battle 2960 points adeptus mechanicus 18650 points Titanicus legio Nex Caput capitis 5566 points Imperial Guard 5875 points Preheresy Emperor's Children 3735 points Preheresy World Eaters 1710 points Preheresy Word Bearers 2090 points preheresy Imperial Fists 1570 points preheresy Alpha Legion 4600 points necrons 1420 points prehersy Raven Guard 960 points prehersy Salamanders 6334 points Tau Empire 20942 points tyranids 8722 points eldar 3125 points dark eldar 10745 points Bearers of the Light 1415 points Preheresy Luna Wolves 8508 points Chaos
2013/12/31 23:04:12
Subject: Re:Thousand Sons Legion (Pre Heresy) Expansion
i tested the tac squad and the devastation squad, under the rule set i'm using (a mix of 4th and 3rd) they are beast
Thanks.
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
6970 points of Preheresy Night Lords
7681 points Preheresy thousand sons
8230 points Preheresy Iron Warriors 
3230 points Preheresy Death Guard 
4940 points preheresy Dark Angels 
4888 points preheresy Iron Hands 
2030 points preheresy Blood Angels 
2280 points preheresy space wolfs 
1660 points Grey Knights 
628 points Sister of Battle 
2960 points adeptus mechanicus 
5566 points Imperial Guard 
5875 points Preheresy Emperor's Children 
2090 points preheresy Imperial Fists 
1570 points preheresy Alpha Legion 
4600 points necrons 
960 points prehersy Salamanders 
6334 points Tau Empire 
20942 points tyranids 
8722 points eldar 
3125 points dark eldar 
8508 points Chaos
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